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I don't know Latin, but knowing French, Italian and Spanish, I'm concerned with "ad". That generally means "to/at", not "without". I'd bet it would be: sine. EDIT: Had to change speak to know as no one really "speaks" much Latin these days

Interesting. So from a performance standpoint, how does it change the car's driving characteristics?

Why? That's not an option? Sorry, I don't know how this works... I thought maybe it was like some sort of computer programming that told the transmission where to shift or something.

So, let me see if I understand correctly.. this is a change that can be flashed onto 2011 models as well, no?

Honestly, 302hp on ALL trims caught me off guard. It's like GM finally said "let's have some fun."

Part of trying to move Buick up market. That's right, I don't really know luxury marques that have trim designations, they all function on packages.

Honestly, it makes little difference whether trims are there or not. They choose packages now instead of trims. If you wanted a LaCrosse with leather, rather than choosing a CXL to get it, you simply choose a LaCrosse with a certain package that includes leather. It's really not difficult.

Well, it appears the big changes are all trim designations gone (i.e., no more CX/CXL/CXS designations like we knew).. ... LaCrosse gets rid of the steel wheels, gets the new 3.6L (power not yet listed), but probably an increase in fuel economy, dual zone climate control standard on all models, eAssist available, DIC is color on all levels. ... Regal gets of course the GS model, eAssist model, new NAV, and electric power steering which will probably boost fuel economy a smidgen, remote start and keyless entry/push button start available. ... Enclave sees no major changes, just some color changes, badge deletion.

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Send me your resume. I'll see what I can do.

Did you post that from your phone?

Well, I'd consider Buick slightly above your average brand, hence the term "premium brand". If Caddy can successfully position itself higher over a few years, which I don't see it having a problem doing, then there is room for Buick. Works well since Buick will need to stay successful as a "premium brand" and establish itself as such, if they wish to grow a little. With great success in their new vehicles, after several years they'd be able to either push the LaCrosse further upmarket (which is where I think they're going) or add a vehicle above that.

I have to hand it to GM/Buick... the first LaCrosse came out, saw none for almost 2 years. The Lucerne came out, saw a handful. The Enclave came out, saw TONS. The new LaCrosse came out, see tons on the road and it looks damn good. The Regal got a slow start around here but I'm starting to see them pop up on the roads as well. It's nice to see GM is getting it right and the public is responding.

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It was Medium Garnet Red Metallic.

Well, maybe it's begging you to get something with Honda's SH-AWD Sorry about the disco lighting in the car...

Uh... the GXP G8 only comes with a 6-speed Manual, the GT G8 comes with a 6-spd automatic. They never made a V8 G8 with a 4-speed. Yup. There was no 4-speed on ANY trim of the G8. I was thinking he might have meant G6 GXP... but I don't think that ever had a 4-speed, either. Oh well, so much for credibility... ;-) Don't buy a Pontiac from his lot... its got a busted transmission. Probably meant GP GXP...the Grand Prix was offered w/ the same V8/ 4spd setup as the Impala SS.. Well, there was no V8 in the G6. But you're right, he probably meant the GP. So, lemme ask... the 4-speed held back the 5.3L V8. What about the FWD Northstars? I assume the same deal.

Well, length of the wheelbase doesn't have to be the differentiating factor. Areas which an "XTS" like Park Avenue could be different from the LaCrosse is as follows:- Different Powertrain -- Exclusive 360hp LF3 Biturbo V6 with AWD (eAssist optional) Additional Technology -- Magnetic Ride Control, Electrochromic windows/moonroof, 4-zone climate control, Active Parking Assist, Infrared Backup Camera, active cruise control, blind spot cameras (triggers with turn signal), aluminum hood, and fenders, automatically leveling/steering HID headlights, powered trunk lid operation, etc. Superior Luxury -- "Handmade in USA" interior (w/emblem), Napa Leather upholstery, heated and cooled seats with memory foam cushions, lumbar and thigh support adjustable rear seats, real leather wrapped dash and instrument pod, heated steering wheel, real burled walnut trim, Tri-coat paint, 1/2" thick premium carpeting, premium stereo system, headphone jacks for front & rear passengers, solid state refrigerated storage bin, etc. Enhanced Quiet Tuning -- Additional sound deadening, Acoustic Sandwich Glass all round (vs just front windows), Active Noise Cancellation, Helmholtz resonators in intake & exhaust, viscoelastic sandwich "Quiet Steel" in door and floorpan in addition to firewall, triple layer headliner, etc. These stuff would have raised the price of the LaCrosse to $50K. Instead of not offering them or spreading the LaCrosse price spectrum over $27~50K, you put it in a different car with a different styling and make it your flagship. Memory foam seats leave a bad taste in my mouth. I (and many friends) have bought memory foam pillows in the past and they've become hard/lumpy entities that did not work after a year. When they advertise memory foam beds I get wary and wonder if they actually work past a year.

Yeah but the V8 gave the car some actual character. well, until the tranny blew up. we have a GXP G8 on our lot right now....took it for a spin recently.....that 4 speed holds it back. the GXP is nice to drive (nothing special) but the Impala SS v8 did not have a driving experience to go with the engine. The Impala SS was just a motor to an otherwise boring and sedate car. Uh... the GXP G8 only comes with a 6-speed Manual, the GT G8 comes with a 6-spd automatic. They never made a V8 G8 with a 4-speed. Yup. There was no 4-speed on ANY trim of the G8.

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I'd also like to know what: "New rear end appearance with dual exhaust outlets standard on all trims" means. I mean, is it simply saying new rear end appearance because there are dual exhausts and a spoiler is standard on LT/LTZ trims or are we actually going to see tweaked taillights?

That would be a very good option to add, too bad they did not do that. Course who is to say someone does not update this again. It could show up if GM is watching our chat. They are. They won't. You're right. If they haven't put auto-climate control in the car in this or the last gen (no clue about the gen before), why start now? I just don't understand why the lower Malibu has had it and gets dual zone in the 2013, but the car above it doesn't get it. Anyone know if remote start will defrost the car if it doesn't have auto-climate control? Cause I LOVE that on the Lucerne--heats the mirrors, defrosts the front/rear windows, heats the leather... get in and you're good to go.

Yeah, heard it on tv and then they mentioned, "This coming after a steering wheel actually fell off while someone was driving... Yikes."

I've seen 4.

When my friend went to get a manual transmission on his 2005 Corolla LE (at the time it was the top trim designation, now the low end trim), they said absolutely no LE's are made with the manual and he couldn't order one like that. I would imagine GM would offer a similar response.