Robert Hall

Apparently the building was leased previously. CNN Money article

I've seen a bunch of the new Sebring convertibles also... in my office building's parking lot, there are a number of convertibles--a Miata, an Eos, 3 Merc SLs (one an AMG SL55), a 3-series, a Sebring, a '68 Camaro RS, a 2000 or so Mustang GT convertible, and 2 current style Mustang convertibles.

That would be a nice lineup... 4 models would be enough...Buick has 3 models...

I've seen probably a dozen or so Eoses in the last couple of weeks...seem pretty popular in the Valley of the Sun.

In traffic this afternoon I saw a sharp medium blue '69 Chevelle SS... had a serious rumble.

Thing is, for most people, the Camry is a perfectly rational choice...they just look at the reviews in Consumer Reports, the reliability ratings, the resale value, it's an easy choice. GM choices are a harder sell for most people, I'm afraid.

Things get busy around auto show time and new model year releases...not much going on now..

Latest news on the American Axle strike is that GM is looking to conceed $200 million to them...(might as well flush it down the toilet).

Yeah, weight is a factor..the Escort was probably 2500 lbs. It was kind of fun on windy roads..had good steering feel. Wouldn't want to drive it today because of the lack of content (it was a stripped down L model w/ vinyl interior, am radio, manual windows, etc), lack of modern features (no cupholders, etc) and lack of safety features (no airbags, ABS, etc).

My 52hp diesel Escort got around quite efficiently (over 50 highway) and would cruise at highway speeds (55-65) quite well, but that was 20+ years ago... it was pretty slow to accelerate, even w/ a 5 speed manual. Wouldn't really want to drive it today.

Went to play softball in Scottsdale w/ the company team tonight...sitting in the lot at the field was a gorgeous maroon '68 Camaro RS convertible, top down, parked next to a late model SL 65 AMG, top down also. Later, at the pub, I saw a black '69 GTO in the lot. Sweet.

One thing Saturn did do, though, at least in the '90s, was attract customers that would never have considered GM in the first place...I've read they did manage to get a fair number of potential Honda or Toyota customers that would never consider Chevy (considering the dreck Chevy had for FWD models back then, that would be understandable).

Not to change the thread, but what is sad is that the only person that I know that owns Pontiac--ANY Pontiac (he owns old ones ('60s-70s GTOs) and newer ones ('02 T/A, '06 GTO)) is north of 50. My peers--both in Colorado and here in Arizona, with the exception of some SUVs, overwhelmingly drive import brands..my team at my new company, all mid 20s to late 30s, about 1/2 single or DINKs, 1/2 MWC, drive a Toyota Matrix, Toyota Tundra crew cab, 2 '07 BMW 3-series, a Civic, a Camry, 1 '07 Infiniti G35, and 1 '07 Infiniti G37..with my Jeep, I'm the only one driving domestic...that's been typical at the last 3 companies I've worked at.

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Yeah, not the most reliable source...but if you consider all of PCS's ominious hints over the years (assuming he's not spreading disinformation,which he may well be), well, where there is smoke...

Ah... ok.

What is this 'Omega'? Yet another rumoured new platform? First I've heard of it..

Weak sauce. The 3-series has a convertible. the CLK has a convertible. A G37 convertible is rumoured. An A5 convertible is coming. GM needs to get their sh*t together and develop a CTS convertible.

if so.... by 2012, it will probably be Buick-Saturn-GMC. Sad, but inevitable at this point? (if the decision has already been made...).

It's part of PCS's master plan to phase out Pontiac, I think...the 2nd gen G6 hasn't been announced, the Torrent will be replaced by the GMC Terrain, the G5 is just a Cobalt rebadge, and if the G8 lasts 3-4 years, then what next?

Probably the contracts w/ the unions are such that they can't layoff everyone and then turn around and hire nonunion labour for the same positions...i.e. massive cost and lawsuit potential..

Yep...I know several guys with legit, tweaked Japanese performance cars (NSXes, gray-market Skyline GT-Rs, Supra Turbos, 350Zs) that laugh at the ricer crapola...

I think no Alpha to Pontiac is because there probably won't be a Pontiac in BPG within 5 years..

It's amazing the amount of money people pour into junk...trying to turn a 'sows ear into a silk purse', to use an old timey phrase...

I had 91 in Colorado...85, 87, 91. Not sure if they have it here in Arizona (I'm using 87).