Sixty8panther

If I ever own one new vehicle it will be a new Camaro. - Rear wheel drive - hardtop (pillarless fixed roof) - manual trans. (three pedals on the floor) - affordable V8 - classic styling that does not use retro as a crutch - "functional" baack seat So in other words ANY 2dr hardtop Zeta just might be worth buying IMHO. Hey GM, how about a GTO or a Riviera?

Yeah... it's absurd. You pointed it out to me. Sad, really. It looks like it WAS a nice chunk of woods/meadow before that development and the absurd house.

http://www.automotoportal.com/photos/chine...rn-automakers/3

Japan's been doing this for years... granted they were a little bit more subtle... Those who do not learn from their mistakes are bound to repeat them. I hate these Chinese POS, if they made a 300HP car for $4,000 I'd still tell em to burn in hell.

Yes Carbiz, things must be much differnt in Canada... for the better. See, that right there is wat annoys me, I do not want to play mind games. I want to sell a product I beleive in and make an honest living because people like the product, not because I outsmart them with bull***t. I was told at the dealership I'm too muxh of a GM fan to sell GM... The dealer network here in the US is FUBAR!!!

If Jean-Paul Sartre was right about his theory of hell (no exit) then you'll be sharing a hotel room with me and Drew Barrymore when we're dead. :wink: Just because I've driven a Camaro does not mean I have a mullett & just because you think I'm a dumbass does not mean you're brilliant.

Dude, seriously... f*** off. I have heard the $50 figure form more than one person, and if you really think that even $28 is not a VERY respectable wage than you're on crack. I know senior accountants working at high-tech corporations making in the low $20s and even i the white collar world that's not bad these days. Sure I'm jelaous, I'd LOVE to assemble GM product, esp. some of those Zetas that willl make your GP-GXP look like a Chevy Celebrity wagon. The problem is that there's not ONE GM assembly plant in New England.

Yo' momma is like a Union Trolley... everyone's had a ride!

Camino: Do you live next to Al Gore's back-up summer mansion guest house?

My Buick NEVER idles... even at 30sec. red lights I shut her down, granted that's not for "green" reasons but for economics, I need as much help as I can get to save money these days and the Buick averages about 10 these days sicne I do so much more city driving. I'm all about recycling and such.

Where's Satty...? This is his kind fo thrread.

Dis-gus-ting. Hell in a handbasket. +1

Ramones --- Sedated

I want a Monaro.... er, GTO, I'll even settle for a 5.7 liter 2004. 949hp is ALMOST too much for a daily driver.

Wow... crazy. Nothing against Canada but that's pathetic on the USA's part.

Say what you will but it's still one of the coolest sedans on the market!!!

W T F ? ? ? ? ? ?

More clear-plastic blisters for headlights... love the 10" long hood. I wonder how long it will take for the sunroofs to start shattering? How the hell can you keep your self respect if you drive THAT?

Agreed. But if I WAS the one making $28 while most people working just as hard were making $10 I sure as hell wouldn't be PMSing about it and threatening a strike every year because I have to pay $1.00 for my $70 prescription pills. UAW is greedy, there was a time they were just trying to earn an honest wage, but that was right around the time my Buick was a new car. Carbiz: If you can honestly tell me you do not have a few shady/crooked co-workers at your dealership then let me be the first to tell you you should call up the Guiness Book of World records. The most difficult thing for me as a salesman in MY neck of the woods is difusing the customer who is being a jerk to ME as payback to the last scumbag carsalesman who treated him poorly. It's my PERSONAL experience that about 40% of car salesman are drug addicts, sociopaths and in some cases ex-cons. I'm DEAD serious about that. I can't speak for Canada but down here in New England there is a good reason why car salesman have a bad reputation.

It's silly to get rid of the Cobalt... it's silly to insinuate that Chevy has too many models... more models = more sales, Chevy is GM's value & volume leader. Freekin' Stupid, if anything they should be worried about the LACK of models at Buick & Cadillac.

I clean the salt/slush/sand out of them with a high pressure hose in the winter to prevent rust. stop.

The coolest thing the Japanese ever did was to label RWD shenanigance as a sport. http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=...ideoid=18162508

3-Bob: I was recomended (refered) by a friend of SpeedingPenguin's, but before even that I had a customer looking at Tahoes at the dealership who told me to get out of the car business because I'm not enough of a jerk to sell cars. He's been a UPS employee for 18 years.

Well said Fly. My first encounter (one on one) with a UAW member was a guy who used to work at the GM plant in Framingham in the mid 1980s... he was bragging about how he made $50 and hour there while pretty much working at quite a comfortabe pace and never breaking a sweat. ($50 in 1985 is at least $100 today) Parasites like this guy are why that GM plant stopped making cars after the RWD/BOF G-body was replaced and he has the balls to brag about it. (for the record that plant still stands as Adesa: the biggest automotive auction on the east coast)

Huh? See how there are no B-pillars? Frameless glass & a rear-side windows that roll all the way down. The Cobalt has Frames around the doors, a glued in side-rear window and a THICK b-pillar.