Sixty8panther

Sebring Sonata is right! This is a seriously GROSS, disgustingly horific styling trend that only adds to the gross disproportionate lines, non-continuous, double negative line, and lack thereof on these Japanese cars today. The Camry, Impala and many others have these "glass tumors"...

Yes I do remember the Avenger now that you mention it. Also there was a skelleton of a some torpedo bomber from WWII at some tiny airport in New Hampshire. Back in 1994 or maybe 1995 I got to fly in a Cessna 172 with my dad's boss, even briefly got to "man" the controls which was about as exiting as my life got up untill later when I lost my V-card and got to ride in a Ferrari. We landed at a few airports in the lakes region of N.H. and I remember in a dusty, discombobulated hanger there were the remains of what looked like a WWII era Torpedo Bomber, even had the blue/gray paint scheme over what was left of the airframe. Might have also been an Avenger.... Anyway here's the video of the B-17G starting up those 1200 horsepower Wright-Cyclone 9-cylinder radials. You can hear the B24 tailgunner talking in the first few seconds. I have nothing but respect for those veterans! Here's a few of my photos of Aluminum Overcast. Another interesting plane at the airport that day: (Vietnam Era? Cessna 02A reconnisance) XP: here's your nose art: (not my photo)

Russian Street Racing (old video, classic though!) 4 Ferraris street racing:

Quoted for emphasis. Excellent annalogy! Next person to call a car with four doors a coupe gets shot in the face with a 12-gauge.

The Caliber is damn ugly I would rather drive a Focus or even some other ugly Korean car!

Can we lock PCS out of andy and all Pontiac/Zeta/Holden threads?

honey

Uh, not really. BMW makes fine cars, so does MB. I would buy a dozen BMWs or Mwercedes before I'd ever even rent a Toyopet-Lex_Scion or a hon-DUH. The Japanese make $h!ty products, have EXTREMLY poor business ethics and fugly styling. The Germans are competing for my dollar very effectivelly. I'm European born & as much as GM is my #1 NEW choice if I had to buy a new non-GM I'd buy a BMW, Porsche, Audi or Mercedes before I'd ever think of buying a FWD domestic or some pepsi-can on wheels Japanese car. Julie is a cool chick, I'd love to see a real poll of the typical wife/girlfriend of a C&Ger... probably a few Camrys and Accords mixed in with those GMs... A BMW 5 is much better than the average chick car!

While checking out the B-17 I had a great discussion with a gentleman who was a tail mgunner in a B-24 Liberator. He had much great knowlege to share, so sad that there's only 4 operational (airworthy) B-24s in existance, I guess there are 13 or so B-17s left. Now off the top of my head I do not beleive I have ever seen a B-25 Mitchell in flight. I've seen a few before and one of them was airworthy as it had flown in for the airshow but I never saw it land or takeoff. I'd love to see a Vaught F4U Corsair in flight someday.

Lucky you.

Kodiak 4500 rollback truck, Duramax Diesel, 6-speed Alison I could start my classic car shipping company and then when I made some serious $$$ buy a CTS-V, then once my business grew substantially I'd get a Peterbilt 379 with a 9-car capacity trailer and really start cooking.... at that point I'd buy a bunch of classic cars for myself & an Escalade EXT in pearl white with the power running boards, and for Julie I'd buy that BMW M5 she's always dreamed of.

Cobalt Rally edition?

When (IF!?) gas is $5 a gallon your FWD GP will do consuiderably better than a Zeta with AFM? C'mon dude, now you are starting to sound ignorant.

Yeah... TuRDs are never a good thing. Especially from Japan, I think Toyota calls it a TuRD because Tubgirls' cousin manages the Toyota plant in Japan now.

Wow. I'd have a response to this if my brain was not hemorrhaging from reading this insane stupidity. What an ignorant, self serving, egotistical pig. These are the peolpe who are controling our supply of crude oil? Fantastic. How many hundreds-of-thousands of Viagra pills has he ingested?

"Aluminum Overcast" was the name It was a B17G and it was delivered in May of 1945... so the air superiority of this planes' older cousins over Germany had assured this plane's existance as it never got shot up & mangled by Messerschmidts & Faulk-Wolfes. I've got a video of the engines firing up and the plane taking off on Sunday morning. If the Mitsu Zero is the equivelant of today's Eclipse Spyder than this is an Escalade EXT with 22"s and a bazooka in the back.

I just don;t get you PCS.

91z: Dude, it's high time to fight dirty. C.R. & the Car Rags are foing all of the dirty work for Toyota.

Camino's got some interesting GM/Mopar cars on that list.

Congrats to Honda for making a car that looks more like a Hyundai than a HYUNDAI does these days.

Yeah... my typing skillllz are much worse than when I use an actual pen.

Even Lexuses & $h!ty Acuras with their thin-as-a-Pepsi-can sheetmetal are way heavier than they should be. Welcome to the world of having 402,764,558,929,315 miles of wiring, dozen airbags & 3 tons of plastic.

I agree about the grille esp. It is gorgeous.

Why 2000-present? That's boring.

The Chevrolet/Cadillac dealer I work at is right up the street from a Wendy's. (you know, as in Dave Thomas) Money being very tight right now instead of taking my giant tank to a local joint for lunch I just walk over to the Wendy's & have lunch there, you know dollar menu and all. The other day I'm waiting to get my $4 worth of fast food when a middle aged couple (early 50s) approach the cashier. I notice that the guy is holding a brochure for a 2007 Tundra in his hand, along with some pricing info. written down on a crude worksheet. Usually I mind my own business.... well, sometimes... but I was feeling ballsy that day and so I look over at them and semi-politely say "You're not actaully thinkning of buying a Tundra?" I told them to google a few things, like "toyota oil sludge" and "tundra camshaft failure" they looked dumbfounded, almost violated... deer in headlights is putting it mildly. This actually made me even more pumped up to encourage them to do some research first, buy later. The guy looks at my shirt & tie & says: "What do you sell?" I responded proudly Chevrolets & Cadillacs, but I'm not telling you to buy a GM, go buy a Dodge, go buy a Ford or hell even a Titan but DO NOT buy a Toyota without doing some quiick research. They ate their $13 of Wendy's food in the opposite corner of the restaurant, later before I left to run back to work I gave them my card, upside down, with two lines of text written on the back: GOOGLE: TOYOTA OIL SLUGDE TUNRA CAMSHAFT FAILURE I said as I walked away: It's not that I want to steal your business away, but Toyota is ethically a horrible company and I feel it's my duty to encourage you to do some basic research before you overpay for an inferior product. then, I just walked away, proud.