Sixty8panther

12 months is a long time... but if this si true it will be worth the wait I'm sure.

Chris Doane: Do you understand the differance between a traditional "hardtop" (pillarless car with fixed roof) & a retractible hardtop? What more than one person here has been trying to explain to you is that the Convertible's rear 1/4 windows, regulators, motors, crank etc. are all perfect for retrofitting into a hardtop, or as it may be since the hardtop will come out first, vice versa. Either way you're SAVING money by NOT designing a separate rear glass that is fixed/glued in. Now as far as me just buying a 'vert instead of a HT... Ragtops are a LOT less safe than a pillarless hardtop, they flex & squeak more, and MOST irritating to me are these two facts: 1. Convertibles cost thou$$$ands more than a sedan OR fixed hardtop. 2. Convertibles look like @$$ with the top up. I love hardtops, or for you amateurs "pillarless hardtops" but I'm NOT a big fan of ragtops. I do NOT want Canvas over my head esp. in a muscle car I'm going to drive with enthusiasm. And I drove to NYC just to look at the Camaro concept and dipped into my savings to afford the trip so I say that maybe people here need to stop telling me how I will never buy a new Camaro. I'm more than capable of buying a new car but it will have to be one HELL of a new car!

Revised frames & greenhouses are the most obious one year only item.

Look closely. My B-59s do not roll down ALL the way but they do roll down a good 80% of the way. It's still dissapointing to me to have a fixed B-pillar but at least the glass is not GLUED into place. Not to mention that gorgeous stainless steel greenhouse trim is a far cry from the modern semi-gloss plastic B-pillar trim panel that is usually 3-4" wide & looks as attractive as a piece of rubbermaid garbage can plastic in one year.

Let's let it die... only time will tell. I think there's about a 95% chance the Camaro WILL be a true pillarless hardtop. The concept is a sign that the designers GET it now. There ARE some true car guys working at GM and those people know what's what. Either way here's a chop for ya.

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I do NOT call it vanilla... there's ZERO B-pillars between those two photos. ZERO. Moltar: Like I said, this thread was to instigate me , read the title. And that's my point, I would LIKE to buy a new car some time in the future, but it has to be one that does not suck. The Camaro concept is fantastic, I'm just saying that I hope GM does not f**k it up on us.

Plymouth is the brand that was killed within a few months of Oldsmobile... DeSoto barelly outlived Edsel & Imperial has been dead as long as I've been living in the USA. Those POS K-car sedans from the early 1990s do NOT count.

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All I'm saying is they only make VANILLA. You know like the expression: "That's why they make chocolate & vanilla" You guys can have your Vanilla but f@#k you for telling me I am too much of an optimist because I want my chocolate. If everyone in the Ato industry had the mentality that some of you guys do the only domestic cars on the market would be the Taurus, Impala & the Intrepid. Look at the title of this tread: it's obviously refering to my rant in the Challenger thread about my disdain for B-pillars. Speaking of the Datsuns thry're on Craigslist right now: http://boston.craigslist.org/nwb/car/322109008.html

I was just being sarcastic. Jeezz... The quality of the morons I've seen doing FWD burnouts tends to be even worse than the RWD/Redneck crowd that the stereotype portrays. I agree, walking out in front of the car was pure idiocy.

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I have no words for this: http://www.worth1000.com/entries/256000/256496NSvR_w.jpg Bras & Camaros: there's a link? http://www.ruggedelegantliving.com/a/cat_r..._wings_tmp.html . . . . . . . . . And here's anohter instance of my old Panther Camaro showing up on a Google search. Look at the third pic. on this search page, look familiar? It's an old Signature of mine off this forum. I made it on Corel last year. http://images.google.com/images?q=concept+...rt=144&sa=N

I laughed for quite a while. http://videos.streetfire.net/video/203fe74...92f8ae3bbb1.htm

Wow... another interesting thread spawned from overlapping tangents.

I don't do two wheels anymore. I think the last time I rode a bike was when I was 19. Let's not get into how long ago that was.

You Sir, are a smartass.

I hope whoever styled the ION no longer works at GM.

When I was a Chevy salesman at Chevrolet of Lowell in 2003 we had a guy come in with a LOADED black 2003 Tundra with 3000-ish miles on it. He bought the truck in the fall of 2002, shortyl after decided he could not stand the way it drove & the way it handled on/off road. He bought a 2003 forest green Silverado. The salesman who took it in trade was a sort of hero, not because it was a conquest sale for GM over Toyota, but because we knew some retard Toyota humper would pay TOP $$$ for a barely used Tundra. Which they did. Some dude payed Top-$ KKB money for the Toyota and still had a $h! eating grin on his mug when he took delivery. Go Toy-oh-dur.

Check Engine Lights are not in any way effected by brakes. If you do the work yourself a couple of 0/2 sensors will not be a big financial burden. You turn wrenches yourself?

Good, like I've said 48,551,946 times before: Turbos > Superhargers. 300 horsepower is way too much in a big, heavy FWD Cadillac like my STS. In a econo-hatchback like a Caliber it's just retarded.

You've almost answered the question... 55-57 was in a sense one generation of car while 59-60 was another generation but the 58s were one year only.

Balthazar pretty much summed it up. If I can add one thing: $60,000 for a Camaro? So what the extra reinforement in the roof is going to cost $20,000 & the window regulators & extra weatherstripping will be an additional $13,000 on top of the Camaro's price of $27,000 if it was a 2-door sedan? Now who's being ridiculous? I think a real world cost annalisys would read something like this: $50,000 worth of extra R&D & tooling $300 worht of matterial costs per unit. (gross est.) So let's call it $500 per car. WELL WORTH IT. That's the cost of ONE airbag. Most of today's cars have four of those. If I am FORCED to spend hundreds of dollars on things like airbags & ABS then YES I do expect the car at least be pleasing to the eye. I wear my seatbelt, if I get t-boned and I do not survive then so be it. I seriously doubt that a B-pillar will make the differance but if it does then it was my time. Life is a series of calculated risks.

~ What makes the 1958 model year General Motors cars different from The 1950-1957 & 1959-up cars from GM?

Let Toyota be no.1 and reap all the "benefits". While Oldsmobie would have postponed the drop of GM to no.2 that's not the point of why Olds should have been kept.