Sixty8panther

Yeah that steering wheel is gross. I'd be installing a traditional one about 5 minutes after I picked this car up if I bought it.

Tailfins No cigar

M84: Wow! Holy mother of... that's depressing. I've got sevral stories, none of them involving myself personaly but friends and family and such. One thing I will do as a parent is tell my kid(s) when they're old enough to party that any time, any where I'll drive them but under any circumstance they DO NOT DRIVE DRUNK!

Drunk drivers SUCK.... I hope this retard gets what's coming to him! Hope your brother gets well soon. What barracks is he out of? Framingham? Concord? EDIT: Oh, since you're in Mass like I am I assumed your B.I.L. was as well. He has a very good point. If the guy can't steer clear of 18 feet of reflective tape than he has no business walking nevermind driving!

That Razorback with a chopped roof is scruptious! :huh: A+

Great car stupid name. I have a 1:24th scale Gembala Slant nose 911 ragtop in white. I've had that for like 12 years and that's the last I heard of that tuner.

Not a week goes by that I don't think about it. I really liked that little thing. Had I gotten asking price for my Fleetwood Brougham I might have bought it this fall but money is tight and space is getting tight. Once the STS is out of my hair and I sell the Camaro I may pick up the Corvair if it's still there and just have fun with it untill I find the '59 Buick I want. :D

Blame Canada! and that b!tch Anne Murry too... All joking aside I love Canada. I've had many fun vacations up there as a kid. They have some good looking girls up there too, I almost lost my virginity in Toronto but that's a story for another day... :CanadaEmoticon:

thread title: Is Canada all that different from America? Canada is still AMERICA just like the USA. :P Don;t forget Jim Carey, Alanis Morisette & Bryan Adams! Now now, we've already appologized for Bryan Adams on several occasions. It's aboot Democracy and it's aboot... [/SouthParkBLU]

I saw the damn thing when it was new, I saw it later on a 20/20 special about GM... (they talked about the voice commad feature more than the roof) and I saw it in your post. Yes, it's a suicide door Hardtop of sorts and made quite the splash on the concept car circuit. There were some awkward styling elements to it and frankly I think it had about 10% a chance of seeing production compared to the Pontiac Rageous & Chevrolet Nomad of the same era. Sad to say I doubt anything like the Cielo will ever come off a GM assembly line. Taking a knife to a used Park Ave and having custom glass cut is something obtainable if you're insane like myslef and are willing to spend $5000 to customize a car onl;y to lower it's resale. :D WMJ: The 1932 Helicron is way cool but nothing like what I want to make. I'll do up a sketch soon to show what I'm talking about. BTW: that "1934 McQUAY-NORRIS STREAMLINER" is a hoot. I want one of those. :)

Yes, in fall of 1959 the Tempest looked like a compact when parked next to a Bonneville but a '64 Tempest was an "intermediate" and was much bigger than a Corvair, Valiant or VW Bug from the same era. If the Tempest was a compact then my '68 Camaro is the equivelant of today's AVEO.

Yes the Cielo was very cool but realistically it's just as costly to produce as a hardtop and IMO less enjoyable. Sun still bakes your head like a hot potatoe but the framed windows are still there as if it was a regular sedan. *meh*

So because the B-body was cancelled once means it HAS to stay dead right? Don't tell that to fans of other cancelled GM products. You know like: Camaro, Firebird, 2dr Tahoe, Eldorado, Roadmaster etc. And why not a MB S-class competitor AND a more traditional lagre Cadillac for the old crowd and us "weirdos". As far as fleet cars they use tons of Impalas, Grand Ams, Grand Prixs, Park Aves, Chargers & Chrysler 300s too... does that automatically make those cars crap? :blink: Fleet sales HELP profit not hurt it. Other than that I'll agree to disagree.

Hey you're the one who keeps talking about ASS not me. :AH-HA_wink: Althought I do not think it's usually the best souce of factual definition, my post is right in line with Wikipedia's definition of Muscle Car. It does meantion RWD but not conclusivelly and there is a note of how Compact cars are traditionally excluded form the definition of a Mucle car... it's supposed to be a midsize. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_car

9 times out of 10 I refer a hardtop (weather 2 or 4dr) to a Convertible. I love driving a convertible once in a blue moon but I'm not the type to buy one... maybe a Solstice but in N.E. Convertible season is like two months: May and Sept. The rest of the time you need a roof wiht heat or AC blasting. Besides I think Hardtops are cooler than convertibles in most cases... smooth roofline and soid roof with the exotic open air feel.

Here's the ones I'd buy that are somewhat realistic for my budget: Small 2-seater? Solstice Coupe? Cobalt SS/SC 5-speed Sedan? Charger R/T Wagon/Hatchback? Magnum R/T SUV? Trailblazer SS Van? Chevy Express Truck? Colorado Crew Cab, 2wd (5-speed if available) Used? 1959 Buick Electra 225 Bubbletop (2dr)

Enzora: Well, post a topic that doesn't bore you. :) BV: Great classic ad, but a very sad story. :( BigPoncho: I almost bought a 1972 Chrylser New Yorker in pea soup green. It was runnig and driving with a 440 and the guy was a motivated seller, asking only $1200. Saddly it was just a few months before Sofia was born and I could not justify buying ANOTHER car, esp since I had no place to store it. In a parallel universe I would have sold my Blazer and made that car my daily driver. :) 1200 bucks, I get depressed just thinking about it. Couldn't find too many photos of 4dr hard top 1970 N.Y.ers like yours but here's a nice sedan. Ohh found one: http://www.fuselage.de/chr70/70chr_lineup_b.jpg Here's a stripped Chevelle 4dr that shows off the half-posts where a B-pillar would be on a pillared sedan.

Here's a cool photo I took this summer of the Corvair that I mentioned in TurboRush's thread.

BTW: here's the Corvair (four door hardtop 66) that I almost bought this past summer.

Well like I said I was trying to kep this thread to four door hardtops only, but when I make a 2dr hardtop thread you'll see a couple European cars... and even a couple JJapanese, no joke!

To each his own... the 850 is a gr8 BMW. :) Here's an interesting one:

Well several other people beat me to it. But yes a Turbocharged Turbo was available and I've see a couple of them at car shows. I'm a big fan of the 2nd gen. cars as I prefer the styling more refined chassis & suspension. It was proven after the Corvair got the axe that it was no more and no less safe than any other car fo the era. Deaths per capita were ezactly average. The engine is rear mounted in the traditional sense and just like an old school Porsche/VW/Tatra pancake enigne is air cooled, and mounted about lower than the gas tank on my '68 Camaro. This of course aids the center of gravity but the quirky handeling asociated wiht Porsche 911s is there. Very twitchy cars if you drive like a dumbass and try to turn onna dime. SO yes hypothetically if you're driving 70mph in a 25 mph zone in the back roads of a suburban town then YOU might loose control of the car... as with ANY other car. Try expaining 2+2 to Nader, say what you will but he'll still insist it's 3.999 and not 4. :P The 67-70 Razorback Eldorado is a tough find and is relatively rare compared to the typical Camaro or Biscayne. The 442 is a great car any year any powerplant. Either way good luck. :)

Okay well I just can't help myself I'm so dog gonned obsessed with this whole four door hardtop thing that I had to share some of cool google finds with you. I find redeming value in some of the ugliest, plainest or otherwise unexciting cars if they have a hardtop greenhouse. I've decided to dedicate a thread, THIS ONE, to pictures of just four door hardtops of all makes and years. Forget those retarded "4-door-coupe" Mercedes Benzes that have no concept of reality... this is as sexy as a four door car will ever get IMHO. P.S. for obvious reasons I've tried to post only pictures where all four windows are rolled down. B) Something Olds Something new Something Mopar Something blue

1960s definition: medium sized car with a BIG (read: powerful) engine. In other words a really killer weight to power ratio in an other wise sedate car. 2005 Pop Culture definition: RWD car wiht a powerful V8. A four door musclecar is acceptable, to some a GN is a muscle car even though it has a Turbocharged V6 and not a V8 but in any case 99.9% of enthusiasts agree that a FWD si not a muscle car. Even if it has a V8 and manual trans. This is why the GTO concept based on a FWD Grand Am concept lasted about 20 minutes before it was shot down in a blaze of fire fomr the Muscle car crowd. Another annoyance is that cars like the Corvette and Shelby 427 Roadster Cobra are considered muscle cars by some empty headed press. Yes they're RWD and V8 powered but they're sports cars by definition, not 4 or 5 passanger cars with big cubes. The AMX might be the one exception to the 2-passanger rule.

Yes, and they're a proven seller for certain demographics... pimps and geriatrics for starters. [/sarcasm] My mention of a niche market was my reaction toy your comment about the non-existance of LAND YACHTS in 2005. Rememeber? In other words I thought you were saying there were no other cars in that segment. I mean it's hard to know when you're being sarcastic and when it's just your attempt to poke fun at peoples ideas. A full size, rear-wheel drive V8 powered Cadillac is a lot more realistic than a power-retractable-roof-convertible based on the Corvette. What the hell is a larger market than a direct competitor to the Lincoln Tow Car? Do you think that Cadillac would have a problem selling this type of vehicle? Volume wise BOF, full size cars made up 100% of their lineup for al of Cadillac's best decades. 30s 40s 50s 60s 70s... all huge BOF cars, predominantly RWD. I understand that they might go unibody thought i do not agree with that move but there's nothing unexpected about a land yacht. So true. :AH-HA_wink: