Sixty8panther

:yawn: For those of you weirdos that think there's something cool about that you'd probably love the burgundy '92? Buick Century 2dr that is for sale about 2 miles away from my huose... sitting there for a month now, no love I guess. Here's an interesting vehicle that I had not seen in ages untill one pulled up next to me the other day: '77 AMC Gremlin. I took a few pics... it was rush hour on the highway so we talked for a bit, this was a few weeks ago, I was driving the Banana Boat so it made for good conversation.

:yawn: For those of you weirdos that think there's something cool about that you'd probably love the burgundy '92? Buick Century 2dr that is for sale about 2 miles away from my huose... sitting there for a month now, no love I guess. Here's an interesting vehicle that I had not seen in ages untill one pulled up next to me the other day: '77 AMC Gremlin. I took a few pics... it was rush hour on the highway so we talked for a bit, this was a few weeks ago, I was driving the Banana Boat so it made for good conversation.

If wind power is not a "sustainable" energy than I must be in f***ing bizzaroworld! Hello = goodbye?

Look up the 1968-70 Dodge Charger to see how many movies I missed in my thread about "Death Proof". I hit up IMcD when I'm really bored, in other words, not often. Some of the movie cars crack me up... sometimes it's just a quick glance in a split second sceene and the rear 1/4 panel of some bread-n-butter sedan. Silly stuff. Oddly enough I went on there recently to see a list of movies our Mercedes 500SEC hardtop has bbeen in, along with it's 380 & 560 near-twins, but I found NOT one in my search. I even searched as W126, 500-SEC, 500_SEC... nothing, just a million and one W126 4dr sedans, 420SELs and such. Boooooooring. While I do not remember any specific movies I KNOW there's been a few of these cars in movies over the past 2+ decades.

I think it is insane to pay a dollar over $23,000 for a FWD car... regardless of drivetrain or performance. FWD just plain sucks. Always has always will.

If a "full size" if only by modern standards, RWD Cadillac product does not replace the DinosaurTS then I just do not know WTF the deal is over at Cadillac. As far as the weight issue, show me a V8 RWD sedan in production today that is considerably lighter than the Zeta-G8... everything is getting super-heavy... We have been beating this issue to death, the problem, for the millionth time is all the safety equiptment that our safety-crazy society warrants as MUST-HAVE, and to a lesser degree but relevant nonetheless are all the electronic gizmos that all you new-car lovers adore. I myself would rather have a Gen5 Camaro with no radio, AC or power windows and pay the same price if only it were a true hardtop.... it would still be lighter.

Yes, weight is the enemy of fuel economy and performance. but I love the fact that GM cars/trucks have some heft, as opposed to the Japanese tin-cans that litter our highways. In a nasty accident, weight is still one of the biggest factors. If instead of my Datsun, (suprisingly LONG nosed & heavy for a Japanese sedan, even with the paper-thin sheet metal) I had been driving a Civic of the same vintage I would probably be paralised or dead right now.... Now if, on the other hand I had been driving a car more typical of me... a big BOF, V8 monster, the only one hurting after the accident would have been the idiot in the Bimmer who ran the red light, I prob. would have avoided physical; therapy & a messed up back, which will prob. never fully recover. So yes, excessive weight is a double edged sword, & I certainly never want to be on the loosing side of an argument that ends in twisted metal because my light as a feather Honda crumples up into a piece of metal origami & then rips in half. Here is what heppens when a 2003 BMW 328ix wagon hits an old tired '84 Datsun head-on at 50mph.

Given my current mood: NEW - stripped out as possible Pontiac Solstice USED - '61 Cadillac four door hardtop with the rare (flattop style) vista roof greenhouse. I still have NEVER seen a vista roof '61/'62 Cadillac in person, here's a photo: NOtice that unlike the regular 4-door hardtop that retained the 1/4 windows f&r, the rear ones being fixed, this car has the wrap-around rear window and thin C-pillar, and yet it is STILL a pillarless hardtop! What a time to be alive, the early '60s

Chevy C1500 frame with hand-made body? I donno... I thought it was not based on any production car but rather a parts-bin mutt. I'm sure someone on here can enlighten us.

Obama will not be our prez. in 2009 In the end, the democrats will do what they do best... fail and cry about it. He might have won if he had not been constantly tripped up by Hi666lary Clinton and her army of doom. I'm not a Republican and I sure as hell am not a Democrat. (to paraphrase Eddie Vedder) ...but I just want to see SOMEONE, anyone, get this country back on track. The way I see it here are the three most important issues in 2008: 1. Economy. STOP outsourcing, it's bleeding our countries might like a stab wound to the juggular 2. Security... not so much fighting wars but more so securing borders 3. Energy prices, gasoline esp. Did you know that in July of 2002 here in Massachusetts home-heating-oil cost $1.12/gallon. $1.12 a gallon! And as of this past July, the price was at $4.72 Care to explain to me how this is ot a case of highway robbery?! You, I and most intelligent people KNOW that this has very little to do with "emerging industrial nations" & "lack of supply". --- As far as this years' tax rebate, Julie and I filed married/joint, we got $1200 back.

Balthazar's Invicta will shatter convention amongst many of you when it's done. I wouldn't be shocked if it pulled close to 1.0g on the skidpad... those are some meaty tires under that beast, & the work that has been done thusfar is very impressive, I hope at some point after it is completed I am the lucky recipient of a death-ride in that torque monster, should be enough to impress anyone short of Jay Leno. :wink:

5th gen. Camaro Concept, with all fourr windows down... no side glass at all, no B-pillar, just clean lines like a naked volleyball player with large natrual breast-esses. - - - - - - - - And the much less cool PRODUCTION Camaro... saddly, a thick, ugly B-pillar ruins the greenhouse completely!

I feel like it's Sept. 1993 again when I first looked upon that blonde-haired curvaceous-soccer-player-build, blue eyed, drop dead gorgeous faced girl at my bus stop that I had a crush on for all four years of highschool. That is an amazing machine. * I am NOT worthy *

What the heck are you smokin' Newb.? The concept, has nothing for a b-pillar... from the windshield to the C-pillar it's just two pieces of glass and a thin, rubber piece of weather-strip where they meet, where in a sedan there would be a post. The production car retains frameless door glass but has a PERMANENT, thick, plastic-clad B-pillar and the rear glass does NOT roll down. Instead it's glued into place around all edges, from the 1/4 panel, to the B & C pillars & roofrail. How can you NOT see the differance? I'm perplexed!?!? Balthy: It's quite a happy coincedance to see your new sig. for the 1st time in THIS thread. That '59 Pontiac screams "sex, leaded high octane & Rock & Roll" If you can't have bullets for tail lights like a '59 Caddy, and you don't want to look like you're a bat-out-of-hell with anger issues like a '59 Buick you can always look like you've got two rocket-ships on your rear quarters, or if you preffer, a couple stinger missles ready to blow that Mig-21 into a heap of smoldering, twisted metal! I want me a '59 Poncho someday!

I bet with a higher rear end, going downhill on a leap-year, after dark, with a tailwind and an empty bed & freshly waxed paint he'd get 7.01 LOL

I'm 100% with Camino here...

Well... in any case please refrain from comparing '69 Camaros, or pretty much any blue-blooded American muscle car to a "riced out Civic". It's insulting.

Harley: Thanks for standing up and making your voice heard on a topic that was considered beatern to death by me here in the past few months. Check out this thread when you have a sec.: http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index...c=23945&hl= One of my favorite pieces of artwork of a hardtop: http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index...c=24168&hl= More eye-candy & some funny/amusing reading material: http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index...c=17128&hl= http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index...ic=4135&hl= HUH Look who responded to this trivia question: http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index...ic=4932&hl= More C&G insight on people's refusal to think outside the box: http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index...ic=3867&hl= ---- enjoy

Agreed... and that is just the start!

I can appreciate this particular footnote in 1950s automotive history, but I can also take XP's word on his experience with these cars... he's not bluffing. More often then not, when I visit his dad's shop there;s a car or two there that would make a Kaiser Darin look pedestrian... Like Chrysler-Ghias, Mopar 2-dr hardtop muscle cars and een more impressive: pre-war Packards undergoing intensive ferrous surgery!

THAT'S THE KICKER!!!! So spend $30,000 on a loaded 2010 Camaro, or you can spend $15,000 on a beater '69 and put the other $15,000 into fulyl adjustable, independant suspension in all four corners, tube-chassis subframe & aftermarket brakes w/ 12" rotors and you will be shocked which car handles better, and here's a clue it's the one with NO B-pillar. Either way, if we hold ALL old cars to the 2008 Standard than your sucks because it has a severe lack of storage containers, cup-holders and it lacks HD radio, nevermind OnStar or a built-into-the dash navigation system. You see how silly that is?

his is getting ridiculous. First off a Porsche ANYTHING is not a "beather worth saving" maybe a notchback 'Stang or a '79 Monza 4-speed.... but not a Porsche. And as far as the Granada...

.... and thus comparing it to a riced out piece of $hit Japanese turd-can is damn-near unforgivable!

ok. what the heck are you driving at? show me a '71 Challenger that can handle like a C6-Z06 around the ring? The point is, just because the '69 Camaro does not handle like a 2010 Camaro, or Challenger... does not mean it sucks at handeling. It was a new car in the fall of 1968, back then it was a GREAT handeling car! Let'ss put a STOCK '69 Camaro Z/28 against the best BMW made in 1969 around the ring... I bet YOU I know which one will win!

XP has said it all right there.... without dropping thirteen F***-bombs for frustration like I would have. And yes, I agree... the fact that Harley Davidsons & plasti-clad crotch rockets are littering the roads more than ever now is someting of an oxymoron since hardtops are unsafe!? Stupid is as stupid DOES. I think we NEED hardtops, to help people, regular Americans fall in love with the automobile again! Even a four door hardtop should not be out of the question when the majority of the forum, myself included, were ALL for that Chrysler 300 ragtop concept going into production, ultra-limited as it may have been.... There's a conversion company making DTS convertibles as e speak. And as far as all this "weather sealing inadeqacy" blah-blah, BLAH.... ONCE AGAIN! For the love of god, read thi8s and THINK about the words instead of just chewing over the given consonants & vowels and then saying something silly/irrelevant AGAIN: ALL your arguments are slightyl-valid and APPLY X10 to convertibles. Every single convertible car, be it an exotic Ferrari costing $250,000 or more, or an as tested MSRP $24,500 Mazda Miata, has those same issues.... have you never read an article about a convertible roadtest where they mention the "car wash test" or "thunderstorm test"??? And guess what? People who buy those convertible cars, those "leaky, noisy, ragtop deathtraps" LOVE them to death.... becasue they are enthusiasts, not soccer moms who only care about the number of cupholders & the color of their vehicle. {takes breath, blood pressure starts to lower...}