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    Acura Delays NSX Production Due To New Engine, Now Coming As 2017 Model


    • Acura Pushes Back the Production Start for the NSX

    The long wait for the Acura NSX continues. Automobile reports that Acura has pushed back production from this fall to next Spring due to a change in engine layout. The original plan was to use a naturally-aspirated V6 for the vehicle, but it was decided to add turbochargers to the engine. This has caused Acura to build a bespoke twin-turbo V6 and change the engine layout to a longitudinal configuration.

     

    This delay puts the transformation from the NSX being a concept car to production car at about four years.

     

    One item that is still up in the air is when the Acura NSX will go on sale. Jon Ikeda, Acura VP and general manager tells the magazine that meeting with dealers in October will hold the answer.

     

    Source: Automobile

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    So adding twin turbo's, a large increase in weight, this will be interesting to watch if they can really get it into production with only a 6 month change.

     

    I would avoid the first one built that is for sure.

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    WTF are they doing over there at Acura?? This thing has been in the pipeline long enough to get a refresh by now. Is the car even going to be relevant when it comes out? I can't imagine there will be too many enthusiasts still frothing at the mouth for this car in another 6+ months.

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    Only rabid Honda / Acura fans will still like it in another 6 months. My gut tells me this will become a pig with pathetic performance due to the bloated twin turbo V6 and the changes that are needed.

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    Every year a sports car gets delayed is another nail in the coffin.

     

    When the NSX concept bowed in 2011, 500 horsepower pushed sports cars into supercar territory, and a sub-4 second 0-60 was a benchmark of top tier of performance. Now there's a monster Corvette that hits 60 mph in 3.0-3.2 seconds and top tier performance is in the sub-3 second range.

     

    I predict underwhelming results similar to the LFA that–for $400,000–couldn't match the performance or ride quality of cars less than half its price from day 1.

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    ..I still love the LFA.. Not sure what it is about it but it tugs at my heart strings. And I don't typically like how V10s sounds either but that LFA sounds gnarly.

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    Every year a sports car gets delayed is another nail in the coffin.

     

    When the NSX concept bowed in 2011, 500 horsepower pushed sports cars into supercar territory, and a sub-4 second 0-60 was a benchmark of top tier of performance. Now there's a monster Corvette that hits 60 mph in 3.0-3.2 seconds and top tier performance is in the sub-3 second range.

     

    I predict underwhelming results similar to the LFA that–for $400,000–couldn't match the performance or ride quality of cars less than half its price from day 1.

    It is an near-exact replay of the LFA in terms of product planning. It's like the Japanese still think it's 1990 and the competition is still asleep at the wheel.

    Which makes it even more fun that they're doing it. I do not see this ending well for Honda.

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    why not just a simple manual trans and a new high tech force fed v6?

     

    I'm wondering the same thing. I wish they'd offer a "base-model" NSX with a simple RWD layout and manual transmission or DCT. That would appeal to purists. Hybrid sports cars don't do much for me, personally.

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    I hope this car fails miserably. Just out of spite. These decade plus long development plans are insane. Did they learn nothing from the LFA?

     

    I mean, Ford completely engineered and built a complete GT 'concept' in what, 2 years? Hell, look at the short turnaround from 918 concept to production car.

     

    You're a joke, Acura. And Infiniti, too. Japanese brands in general right now, really.

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    I hope this car fails miserably. Just out of spite. These decade plus long development plans are insane. Did they learn nothing from the LFA?

     

    I mean, Ford completely engineered and built a complete GT 'concept' in what, 2 years? Hell, look at the short turnaround from 918 concept to production car.

     

    You're a joke, Acura. And Infiniti, too. Japanese brands in general right now, really.

    Agreed.

     

    Honestly, I think they could have taken 15 years to make the car as long as it wasn't shown at an autoshow 15 years before production. They should have either been better at getting it finished or not shown it at auto shows anywhere close to how early they did.

     

    The Ford GT could have been hidden for 2 years.. they just kept it under wraps, like they should have and like Acura should have.

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    I forgot to say....it seems  the world would likely to see a mid-engined Corvette before the world will see another NSX.

     

    After all the negativity posted in this thread about the upcoming NSX,  regardless that some people wish it to fail, I for one, cant wait for it to grace its presence.

    The NSX looks fantastic and although the LFA was never on my radar screen, other than that V10, I am smitten with the new NSX...

     

    Oh...just another painful reminder on how long ago Acura is telling us a new NSX is on its way...

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    Admitted NSX-hater checking in again. Maybe Honda should be putting more effort into this thing instead of that neat motorcycle/car mash-up thing that will never see the light of day.  

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    They should just delay it until 2027.

     

    Watch the production model show up with a turbo 3.5 liter Accord V6 making 400 hp and it will get outrun by Mustang GT's and M3's that cost 1/3 as much.  The NSX is a sham, the 90s car had like 270 hp and 220 lb-ft of torque with 5.8 second 0-60 times and they wanted to call that a super car.  Lame.

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          Total Domestic Car Sales
      67,054
      81,873
      -18.1%
      -18.1%
      524,739
      537,277
      -2.3%
      -2.3%
            Honda Division
      62,265
      75,859
      -17.9%
      -17.9%
      488,231
      495,393
      -1.4%
      -1.4%
            Acura Division
      4,789
      6,014
      -20.4%
      -20.4%
      36,508
      41,884
      -12.8%
      -12.8%
          Total Domestic Truck Sales
      76,140
      73,008
      4.3%
      4.3%
      530,300
      512,601
      3.5%
      3.5%
            Honda Division
      66,802
      63,897
      4.5%
      4.5%
      460,849
      438,801
      5.0%
      5.0%
            Acura Division
      9,338
      9,111
      2.5%
      2.5%
      69,451
      73,800
      -5.9%
      -5.9%
          Total Import Car Sales
      6,377
      610
      945.4%
      945.4%
      39,686
      4,933
      704.5%
      704.5%
            Honda Division
      6,258
      422
      1,382.9%
      1,382.9%
      38,731
      3,302
      1,073.0%
      1,073.0%
            Acura Division
      119
      188
      -36.7%
      -36.7%
      955
      1,631
      -41.4%
      -41.4%
          Total Import Truck Sales
      0
      0
      0.0%
      0.0%
      0
      5
      -100.0%
      -100.0%
            Honda Division
      0
      0
      0.0%
      0.0%
      0
      5
      -100.0%
      -100.0%
            Acura Division
      0
      0
      0.0%
      0.0%
      0
      0
      0.0%
      0.0%
           MODEL BREAKOUT BY DIVISION
      Honda Division Total
      135,325
      140,178
      -3.5%
      -3.5%
      987,811
      937,501
      5.4%
      5.4%
            * ACCORD
      30,115
      40,931
      -26.4%
      -26.4%
      231,415
      231,173
      0.1%
      0.1%
            * CIVIC
      32,807
      32,031
      2.4%
      2.4%
      255,599
      221,471
      15.4%
      15.4%
              CR-Z
      222
      333
      -33.3%
      -33.3%
      1,699
      1,895
      -10.3%
      -10.3%
            * FIT
      5,370
      2,901
      85.1%
      85.1%
      38,187
      42,867
      -10.9%
      -10.9%
              INSIGHT
      9
      85
      -89.4%
      -89.4%
      62
      1,289
      -95.2%
      -95.2%
                                      CROSSTOUR
      7
      930
      -99.2%
      -99.2%
      720
      6,450
      -88.8%
      -88.8%
            * CR-V
      36,517
      34,771
      5.0%
      5.0%
      231,609
      229,574
      0.9%
      0.9%
              HR-V
      7,580
      4,567
      66.0%
      66.0%
      51,417
      24,617
      108.9%
      108.9%
              ODYSSEY
      9,992
      13,423
      -25.6%
      -25.6%
      85,881
      88,910
      -3.4%
      -3.4%
              PILOT
      9,269
      10,202
      -9.1%
      -9.1%
      81,793
      88,742
      -7.8%
      -7.8%
              RIDGELINE
      3,437
      4
      85,825.0%
      85,825.0%
      9,429
      513
      1,738.0%
      1,738.0%
                                    ***
      Memo: Accord FHEV
      890
      1,369
      -35.0%
      -35.0%
      1,720
      9,257
      -81.4%
      -81.4%
              Memo: Accord PHEV
      0
      2
      -100.0%
      -100.0%
      0
      62
      -100.0%
      -100.0%
              Memo: Civic Hybrid
      50
      590
      -91.5%
      -91.5%
      817
      3,317
      -75.4%
      -75.4%
                                    Acura Division Total
      14,246
      15,313
      -7.0%
      -7.0%
      106,914
      117,315
      -8.9%
      -8.9%
              ILX
      1,172
      1,660
      -29.4%
      -29.4%
      10,831
      11,744
      -7.8%
      -7.8%
              NSX
      22
      0
      0.0%
      0.0%
      45
      0
      0.0%
      0.0%
              RLX / RL
      118
      187
      -36.9%
      -36.9%
      951
      1,600
      -40.6%
      -40.6%
              TL
      0
      1
      -100.0%
      -100.0%
      0
      85
      -100.0%
      -100.0%
              TLX
      3,595
      4,353
      -17.4%
      -17.4%
      25,632
      30,055
      -14.7%
      -14.7%
              TSX
      1
      1
      0.0%
      0.0%
      4
      31
      -87.1%
      -87.1%
                                      MDX
      5,131
      4,747
      8.1%
      8.1%
      34,648
      39,144
      -11.5%
      -11.5%
              RDX
      4,207
      4,364
      -3.6%
      -3.6%
      34,803
      34,654
      0.4%
      0.4%
              ZDX
      0
      0
      0.0%
      0.0%
      0
      2
      -100.0%
      -100.0%
                                    ***
      Memo: ILX Hybrid
      0
      1
      -100.0%
      -100.0%
      1
      20
      -95.0%
      -95.0%
              Memo: RLX Hybrid
      19
      34
      -44.1%
      -44.1%
      134
      181
      -26.0%
      -26.0%
              Memo: TSX Wagon
      0
      0
      0.0%
      0.0%
      0
      2
      -100.0%
      -100.0%
                                    Selling Days
      26
      26
          204
      204
                **** Hybrid
      1,212
      2,414
      -49.8%
      -49.8%
      4,478
      16,021
      -72.0%
      -72.0%
               
        *    Honda and Acura vehicles are made of domestic & global sourced parts
          **   Daily Selling Rate
          ***  Memo line items are included in the respective model total
          **** Hybrid includes FHEV, PHEV, CR-Z, Civic Hybrid, Insight, ILX Hybrid, RLX Hybrid, RLX Sport Hybrid and NSX
       
    • By William Maley
      Kia had an interesting powertrain concept on the floor of the 2014 Paris Motor Show. Revealed in the Optima T-Hybrid, the powertrain paired a 1.7L turbodiesel four-cylinder with a 48v electric supercharger. This worked in conjunction with a 48V starter/generator that turned it into a mild hybrid. Kia said this powertrain would cut emissions and fuel consumption for any vehicle by 15 to 20 percent. Since showing this powertrain, Kia has been hard at work on this project
      But then the Volkswagen diesel emission scandal hit and it has caused many automakers, Kia included, to rethink projects involving diesel engines. Speaking with Autocar, Hyundai-Kia's performance development boss Albert Biermann said it's becoming harder to justifying the costs to develop next-generation diesel engines in light of the Volkswagen mess and stricter emission standards.
      “The research project is still going on, but the cost of electric motors and batteries in a hybrid is already significant. The question is whether it is really necessary to throw in a more expensive diesel engine.”
      If Kia decides to scrap the diesel part of this powertrain, their efforts will not go to waste. Biermann said this system could be re-engineered for a gas engine.
      Source: Autocar

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