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      Despite there being a lot of talk, Cadillac isn't coming to Australia anytime soon

    In 2009, Cadillac was gearing up to launch the brand in Australia. A small number of dealers had signed up to begin selling a right-hand drive version of CTS. But weeks before the launch, plans were axed. The economic crisis and fluctuations in various currencies were the reasons given. But in the past couple of years, various GM executives have said the brand will be coming to Australia and pictures have surfaced of various Cadillac models in the country. 

    However, head of General Motors International Stefan Jacoby poured a bucket of cold water on this, telling Australian media at the Detroit Auto Show that the time isn't right for Cadillac to enter Australia.

    "We have no plans for that," said Jacoby.

    "First of all we should manage Holden and then we should look to Cadillac."

    Holden is currently transitioning from relying heavily on the Commodore to expanding their lineup comprised of vehicles coming from around the world. Already, Holden has launched the Astra Hatchback and will soon be launching the Astra sedan (Chevrolet Cruze) and Acadia. Once Holden is successful with this, Jacoby said they would revisit the idea of Cadillac in Australia.

    Cadillac chief designer Andrew Smith (who happens to be a Holden alum) tells Drive.com.au that he would like to see Cadillacs on Australian roads, but only when the time is right.

    "We're talking about Cadillac in Australia and I see it as a really good fit, but it is a futile exercise until you have exactly the portfolio you need," said Smith.

    "I think the Australian market is an interesting one, it's always been a mix of the European market and the American tastes. Even though we like to think it is European certainly American tastes are similar. But again it's about having everything we need to make sure we can launch it properly."

    Source: Drive.com.au

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    Let me translate. 

    We are not going till the new updated vehicles firs arrive in America in the next few years and then we will go down under once we have them converted to RHD. 

    Between the rebuilding of Holden. The arrival of the C8 in 2020 and by then Cadillac should have some RHD products that would do well. 

    They are going as that is why Holden has no choice of their product and the fact nothing from Cadillac can or will be rebadged. 

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    I have to say.. thank GOD for the economic crisis effecting GM.. of and the IGNITION CRISIS. I am the most dedicated of GM lovers.. and I have to say that their attention to detail in their current and future products simply blow anything and everything pre-crisis'. That being said.. a proper product launch in these markets is absolutely a must. For some craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy reason.. England and Australia have to have RHD... Cadillac simply does not have it yet.. and the investment doesn't seem to warrant the changeover of existing Alpha and Omega products. I bet good money that the C2xx is ready to go.. and even the Omega.. but U need the Alphas.. the ATS is still Cadillac's biggest seller after the XT5/SRX globally. It does quite well. Anyway.. Growth is growth.. Cadillac is coming into its own.. being the a true brand to watch... despite only having a combined 7 models versus all of its competitors having 11+

     

     

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    Never understood the whole RHD thing, only a few places actually are like that, so why not just change over so one consistent driving world wide. Course then Japan, Aussie Aussie Aussie and UK would not be different then. :P

    I am happy Cadillac is not trying to just blitz the world with product but slowing rolling out better product with proper roll out plans for each market. 

    Tired of people saying you can go into the back of an Opel Store if you want a Cadillac. Not funny or good for the brand! <_<

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    2 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Never understood the whole RHD thing, only a few places actually are like that, so why not just change over so one consistent driving world wide. Course then Japan, Aussie Aussie Aussie and UK would not be different then. :P

    I am happy Cadillac is not trying to just blitz the world with product but slowing rolling out better product with proper roll out plans for each market. 

    Tired of people saying you can go into the back of an Opel Store if you want a Cadillac. Not funny or good for the brand! <_<

    This is why most avoid the change. Dagen H

    http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/dagen-h-sweden-1967/

    Sweden had a large number of LHS cars already and even then old habits were hard to break. In the many places with the RHS now they have few LHS cars and the change would only be multiplied in difficulty.

    Who knows since most are small markets MFG may work to get them to change their minds but I just don't see it happening.

    The return of Cadillac will take time. First to get the new product in place and then working to change hearts and minds about the brand. It will take time as nothing changed over night like this. Some folks on the web think one car and one year will do it but that is not going to happen.

    They need to sell the brand image and how the self reflection of owning such a car puts the owner in a better light. Lets face it we could all live with a Impala but people go out and buy cars like BMW and Benz just because of the image it cast on them. Many feel it makes them look successful and well off even if they are just barely covering the lese payment.

    Selling these products are not unlike Cigarettes. I just saw a show the other day and how the Cigarette MFG all were selling the same tight tube of tobacco but needed to set them all apart. Hence we got things like the Marlboro Man to macho up the brand to appeal to men. The product was the same but the selling of an image people would reflect back on themselves is what changed. Cadillac today is building better products and even better are to come but to convince people to change their opinion will take investment and time.

    This is why they do all these odd Art Shows and fashion deals. While it may be a waste to us the enthusiast it puts the product in front of the people who set the trends in the circles that care [or superficial enough to worry about what they drive says about them].

    They also have worked the business market as they want to cultivate that if you are successful you drive a Cadillac. They used to own this segment till people that were not successful began to drive their cars and it lost all meaning sitting in the Wal Mart parking lot as the owner was inside buying lottery tickets vs. brokering a big deal for the company.

    A classic case of marketing was cars like the 944. Not a bad car but it became a joke that if you owned a 944 that you could not afford the 911. The 924 was even worse as it said you really did not get it.

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    58 minutes ago, hyperv6 said:

     

    They also have worked the business market as they want to cultivate that if you are successful you drive a Cadillac. They used to own this segment till people that were not successful began to drive their cars and it lost all meaning sitting in the Wal Mart parking lot as the owner was inside buying lottery tickets vs. brokering a big deal for the company.

    A classic case of marketing was cars like the 944. Not a bad car but it became a joke that if you owned a 944 that you could not afford the 911. The 924 was even worse as it said you really did not get it.

    I often think that this is a flawed way of looking at things. A product does not pick its buy that precisely. If U really succumb to such perceptions then U really are not paying attention.. NOT U Hyper.. but the consumers out there. Everyone driving a Benz is not brokering a deal for who they work for because many driving a Benz these days are managers or, in some cases workers at that Walmart. Benz is doing the exact opposite with their branding compared to Cadillac. Its not completely set in yet.. but day by day we see it. Mercedes is for all intents competing directly with CHEVY, BUICK,  and CADILLAC at this point. In Australia, the E-Class was a Commodore competitor. Your Porsche comparison is different as well. As the Porsche brand, was mostly 911 at the time. The 944 was introduced with the sole purpose of offering a cheaper Porsche. Cadillac has nothing except market products that are priced accordingly with their competition for all intent. The CT6, might be the exception, but the Platinum is priced perfectly as an alternative competitor like the LS460.. or even XJ, with the Caddy actually being more expensive and more powerful than either in that particular start range 

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    1 hour ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    I often think that this is a flawed way of looking at things. A product does not pick its buy that precisely. If U really succumb to such perceptions then U really are not paying attention.. NOT U Hyper.. but the consumers out there. Everyone driving a Benz is not brokering a deal for who they work for because many driving a Benz these days are managers or, in some cases workers at that Walmart. Benz is doing the exact opposite with their branding compared to Cadillac. Its not completely set in yet.. but day by day we see it. Mercedes is for all intents competing directly with CHEVY, BUICK,  and CADILLAC at this point. In Australia, the E-Class was a Commodore competitor. Your Porsche comparison is different as well. As the Porsche brand, was mostly 911 at the time. The 944 was introduced with the sole purpose of offering a cheaper Porsche. Cadillac has nothing except market products that are priced accordingly with their competition for all intent. The CT6, might be the exception, but the Platinum is priced perfectly as an alternative competitor like the LS460.. or even XJ, with the Caddy actually being more expensive and more powerful than either in that particular start range 

    Well with Benz you can not judge their marketing based on what we see here as they market differently in different places globally. We see them only as a Luxury car here in other placed they are a Taxi with many models. They were only ever treated as a luxury brand accept in the early Studebaker years. They did have some basic models then that are forgotten since they are not worth restoring.

    Now here in the stated people use Benz and BMW as a statement of success much like Cadillac used to be.

    when I used to work in the bad part of town we had many people driving new Cadillac's that were worth twice the price of the homes the people lived in and they did it for image.

    To me globally Cadillac is at an advantage as they do not have to be the be all do all brand and can focus on one thing and only one thing only Luxury.

    But every market is different and there are no absolutes to any of this. Hell China treats Buick like royalty and here it is still struggling to change their image and a old persons car. We are not one world and we are not all alike in out taste and desires. Marketing needs to take this into account and each market is a brand new game.

    As for the Cheaper Porsche that did more damage than good in the long run. That is why the Boxster today is much higher priced than the 944 was. It is still the cheaper model but it is not more Corvette Stingray priced vs. Camaro.

    It is easy to compare Chevy to Honda to Toyota to Nissan to Ford. But move up the scale an the markets and companies operate much differently in much different volumes and circles.

    I am grateful that Cadillac is just focused on the mid to higher end things for their segment and not as much focused on the low end as they have Buick and Chevy to play clean up. This will make the image rehab a little less difficult as it is difficult enough now.

     

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    7 hours ago, hyperv6 said:

    To me globally Cadillac is at an advantage as they do not have to be the be all do all brand and can focus on one thing and only one thing only Luxury.

    ^^^ This. I have argued this for a while. Its one of the reasons why it is almost impossible for me to argue sales of Cadillac versus Benz, Bimmer, or Audi... they simply cover a spectrum that Cadillac doesn't need to. Let's face it.. as an example.. Audi's competitor in China isn't so much Caddy.. but Buick and Caddy combined. Here in the US.. Caddy and Audi are so directly competing.. with the HELP of Corvette... that the brands' sales are almost exactly the same. I included the Vette because again.. the Vette really is at this point a Cadillac level vehicle.. with the Camaro now really taking its place in the Chevy Line.

    Side Not.. I don't kno if U caught the Jalopnik article on the CT6 Platinum.. It agree with pretty much what I've been saying all along. The CT6 PLATINUM.. is an S-Class competitor.

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    And you know what else? I liked it better than the Mercedes-AMG S63. Yeah. Really.

    The Mercedes felt like it was trying way too hard. It was like the S-Class started with a basic set of stuff and then the Mercedes people just kept piling on whatever they could find in their house, for no other reason other than because they could. A mood light switcher? Sure! An in-car air spritzer? WHY THE FUCK NOT. Hmm, also 577 HP. Yours for $170,000. Minus those three items, the CT6 is basically the same car. Basically.

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    Sorry but Audi competes with Cadillac on some models but others there is no match on many of their global models and some here. They do offer much more in the low end more basic segment. If anything they compete more with Buick in price and image. Then the more expensive models come into play at Audi vs Cadillac.

    The Vette is the Vette and not a Cadillac and will never be a Cadillac. Just let that go. It has become its own deal but it at least in America will remain a Chevy.

    BMW was working the cheap end for a while but now appear to be making smaller cars but keeping the price up. Even in Europe you do not see the cheap models like the hatch 318 they used to make anymore.

    Benz still makes the cheap basic cars you see in fleet use and the low end market that never make it here.

    The CT6 is a nice car but with compromises. The car was build under duress of GM looking over their shoulder and was compromises just as the ATS and CTS. Also the size is way too close to the CTS and I think that hurts both their sales. I wished the CT6 was just a little larger.

    The Germans have stumbled as they have gotten comfortable with their place in the market. Now is the time to take it to them as the door is open just a bit. But it will take time to earn back the image and continued investment.

    What many missed on the move to NYC was that this put space between them and GM. No more board members popping into the design studio to offer opinions or snoop that lead to unwanted changes. It also provided space so they could hire their own staff of designers and engineers that only work for them. These are key elements that will help change the image and improve the product.  

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    33 minutes ago, hyperv6 said:

    Sorry but Audi competes with Cadillac on some models but others there is no match on many of their global models and some here. They do offer much more in the low end more basic segment. If anything they compete more with Buick in price and image. Then the more expensive models come into play at Audi vs Cadillac.

    The Vette is the Vette and not a Cadillac and will never be a Cadillac. Just let that go. It has become its own deal but it at least in America will remain a Chevy.

    BMW was working the cheap end for a while but now appear to be making smaller cars but keeping the price up. Even in Europe you do not see the cheap models like the hatch 318 they used to make anymore.

    Benz still makes the cheap basic cars you see in fleet use and the low end market that never make it here.

    The CT6 is a nice car but with compromises. The car was build under duress of GM looking over their shoulder and was compromises just as the ATS and CTS. Also the size is way too close to the CTS and I think that hurts both their sales. I wished the CT6 was just a little larger.

    The Germans have stumbled as they have gotten comfortable with their place in the market. Now is the time to take it to them as the door is open just a bit. But it will take time to earn back the image and continued investment.

    What many missed on the move to NYC was that this put space between them and GM. No more board members popping into the design studio to offer opinions or snoop that lead to unwanted changes. It also provided space so they could hire their own staff of designers and engineers that only work for them. These are key elements that will help change the image and improve the product.  

    What are U sorry for??? We said essentially the same thing about Audi in the US competing with exception to your missing the part where I said "Cadillac Level" in referring to the Vette. I included the Vette because the Vette competes with the R8 and TT IMO. 

    As for the CTS and CT6 being close in size.. that's ridiculous.

     

    Furthermore the CT6 is only 2 inches smaller than the S-Class in length and wheelbase

     

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      Additionally, the LYRIQ is driven primarily by the rear wheels, with a performance all-wheel drive option available. The placement of the drive motor at the rear of the vehicle contributes an even greater feeling of balance and agility — attributes that affirm Cadillac’s longstanding commitment to satisfying performance. It also enables the system to channel more torque to the pavement without wheelspin for exhilarating acceleration and greater cornering capability. Vehicles equipped with performance all-wheel drive go a step further, with a second drive unit placed at the front of the vehicle, which allows for a significant amount of tuning flexibility, enhancing vehicle dynamics and performance for drivers.
      ALL-NEW ULTIUM BATTERY SYSTEM
      The Cadillac LYRIQ is powered by GM’s new Ultium battery system, which offers approximately 100 kilowatt-hours of energy to deliver stirring performance.
      Ultium’s state-of-the-art NCMA (nickel-cobalt-manganese-aluminum) chemistry uses aluminum in the cathode to help reduce the need for rare-earth materials such as cobalt. In fact, GM engineers reduced the cobalt content by more than 70 percent, compared to current GM batteries.
      The advanced battery chemistry is packed in large, flat pouch cells that enable smart module construction to reduce complexity and simplify cooling needs. Additionally, the battery electronics are incorporated directly into the modules, eliminating nearly 90 percent of the battery pack wiring, compared to GM’s current electric vehicles. 
      When it comes to charging, LYRIQ offers quick and convenient charging options whether at home or on the go. With DC fast charging, the LYRIQ can charge at rates over 150 kW. 
      ARTFULLY INTEGRATED TECHNOLOGY
      Envisioned to make interaction with its technologies more intuitive and rewarding, the LYRIQ’s partnership with the driver and passengers is simultaneously energizing and artful.
      Upon approach, the LYRIQ recognizes the driver and initiates a “greeting” with a choreographed lighting sequence, while also preparing the cabin for the journey, including seat, mirror and climate system adjustments. Once inside, the LYRIQ offers Cadillac’s highest level of driver information, infotainment and connectivity integration, for a more seamless and rewarding experience.
      A 33-inch-diagonal advanced LED display artfully integrates a single, large screen that spans the viewing area for the driver and incorporates driver information details, infotainment controls and camera views. This new display has the highest pixel density available in the automotive industry today and can display over one billion colors, 64 times more than any other vehicle in the automotive industry, providing a stunning in-vehicle experience unlike anything seen before from Cadillac.
      Additional technology and interactive highlights include:
      Battery and charging monitoring conveyed by easy, at-a-glance graphics. The system identifies the vehicle’s energy needs at home and on the go, according to owner preferences, while also monitoring and forecasting energy consumption and providing charging suggestions. New dual-plane augmented reality-enhanced head-up display employs two planes: a near plane indicating speed, direction and more, and a far plane displaying transparent navigation signals and other important alerts. The latest version of Super Cruise, the hands-free driver assistance feature, including automated lane change.3 Supervised remote parking that uses ultrasonic sensors to help the LYRIQ park itself in parallel or perpendicular parking spaces — whether the driver is inside or outside of the vehicle.4 SENSE OF SOUND
      LYRIQ’s technology also addresses sound in two important ways: Blocking unwanted sounds and making the most of the sounds passengers want to hear.
      For the first time, Cadillac will introduce a new road noise cancellation technology, which takes active noise cancellation to the next level by introducing more microphones and accelerometers, which improve noise cancellation abilities. With this new system, Cadillac’s performance and audio engineers can target the frequency range of tire cavity noise, reducing the noise level in the vehicle and allowing for a quieter in-cabin experience.
      The Cadillac LYRIQ builds on the brand’s exclusive partnership with AKG. “With LYRIQ we wanted to deliver a sound experience that would transport the driver from a vehicle into a recording studio,” said Hussein Khalil, Cadillac lead audio design release engineer. “With the AKG sound system, we are able to deliver this experience along with the quality and reliability luxury customers expect.”
      At launch, LYRIQ will offer a 19-speaker AKG Studio audio system that delivers exceptionally crisp and precise sound reproduction, enabling drivers and passengers to enjoy their favorite music.
      NEW FACE OF CADILLAC
      Cadillac’s first electric SUV makes a bold design statement that introduces a new face, proportion and presence for the brand’s new generation of EVs. It’s a forward-looking vision unconstrained by the needs of a traditional internal combustion engine and driveline.
      “The LYRIQ represents the next iteration of the iconic brand’s styling, enabled by electrification, as only Cadillac can express,” said Andrew Smith, executive director, Global Cadillac Design. “Inside and out, LYRIQ is a thoughtful integration of design and technology and is intended to make every drive an occasion.”
      Defined by taut lines and clean surfaces, LYRIQ is assertive and modern, characterized with a low, fast roofline and wide stance that emphasize agility and convey confidence. Additional details such as a flow-through roof spoiler express the careful attention paid to aerodynamics to optimize efficiency on the highway.
      A distinctive “black crystal” grille in the front is one of the LYRIQ’s most unique and expressive design elements. It is also a dynamic feature, as it is part of a dramatic lighting choreography that — along with bold vertical, slim LED signature lighting — greets the owner upon approach. At the rear, a split taillamp design incorporates slim LEDs that are also integrated into the lighting choreography.
      Inside, the LYRIQ’s new electric vehicle architecture opens up possibilities in vehicle spaciousness and design; and Cadillac designers used this as an opportunity to rethink how to use the space and where to locate various interior elements.
      The result is a more airy, minimalistic design that does more to involve the driver and passengers in the driving experience while offering exceptional functionality when it comes to storage solutions. It is also brimming with subtle yet obsessive details such as backlit speaker grilles, curved screens with hidden storage and, like the exterior, orchestrated lighting features.
    • By David
      Cadillac division sent out this email saying that the Cadillac Lyriq reveal will be August 6th 2020 @ 7PM. 
      Now the interesting part is what time zone? EST, MST, PST,.......... 🤔

    • By William Maley
      The COVID-19 pandemic has basically brought most of the world to halt. Orders to stay at home, businesses either having workers to their work from home or closing down, and unemployment skyrocketing is causing the economy to crater. There are efforts to try and jump-start the economy such as $1,200 stimulus checks. But an executive at Ford wants to see a return of a "cash for clunkers" like program.
      “We think some level of stimulus somewhere on the other side of this would help not only the auto industry and our dealers, which are a huge part of our overall economy, but will help the customers as well,” said Mark LaNeve, Ford’s vice president of U.S. marketing, sales and service to Bloomberg.
      “Cash for clunkers was very effective at that time. It would be nice to think we could have something equally as effective for 2020 when we get out of this because it was a great program.”
      According to LaNeve, internal discussions are taking place at Ford about doing a similar program and there are plans to bring the Government in to these talks.
      When asked by Automotive News about this, Ford spokeswoman Rachel McCleery said, "The auto industry is America’s economic engine.We are encouraging Congress to look at a variety of ways to drive job creation, increase demand, support customers and provide long-term stability for the entire auto ecosystem."
      A brief refresher on the Cash for Clunkers program. In 2009, the U.S. Government introduced a billion initiative called the Car Allowance Rebate System, which gave a voucher worth between $2,900 and $4,500 to anyone replacing a vehicle newer than 1984. Their old vehicle would be taken away and disposed of. The program was nicknamed Cash for Clunkers.
      On the surface, the program was a success. Within first month, all of the funds were exhausted. This prompted the U.S. congress infuse an addition two billion into the program, which would be all gone within 17 days. But begin to look deeper and the results are mixed. In 2012, a study published in the Quarterly Journal of Economics described the program as being a bit of a wash,
      "...the effect of the program on auto purchases is almost completely reversed by as early as March 2010 — only seven months after the program ended.”
      Other studies have come to the same conclusion.
      There's also the question of how many perfectly good used cars were taken off the road due to the program.
      Source: Bloomberg via Automotive News (Subscription Required), The Drive, The Truth About Cars

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    • By William Maley
      The COVID-19 pandemic has basically brought most of the world to halt. Orders to stay at home, businesses either having workers to their work from home or closing down, and unemployment skyrocketing is causing the economy to crater. There are efforts to try and jump-start the economy such as $1,200 stimulus checks. But an executive at Ford wants to see a return of a "cash for clunkers" like program.
      “We think some level of stimulus somewhere on the other side of this would help not only the auto industry and our dealers, which are a huge part of our overall economy, but will help the customers as well,” said Mark LaNeve, Ford’s vice president of U.S. marketing, sales and service to Bloomberg.
      “Cash for clunkers was very effective at that time. It would be nice to think we could have something equally as effective for 2020 when we get out of this because it was a great program.”
      According to LaNeve, internal discussions are taking place at Ford about doing a similar program and there are plans to bring the Government in to these talks.
      When asked by Automotive News about this, Ford spokeswoman Rachel McCleery said, "The auto industry is America’s economic engine.We are encouraging Congress to look at a variety of ways to drive job creation, increase demand, support customers and provide long-term stability for the entire auto ecosystem."
      A brief refresher on the Cash for Clunkers program. In 2009, the U.S. Government introduced a billion initiative called the Car Allowance Rebate System, which gave a voucher worth between $2,900 and $4,500 to anyone replacing a vehicle newer than 1984. Their old vehicle would be taken away and disposed of. The program was nicknamed Cash for Clunkers.
      On the surface, the program was a success. Within first month, all of the funds were exhausted. This prompted the U.S. congress infuse an addition two billion into the program, which would be all gone within 17 days. But begin to look deeper and the results are mixed. In 2012, a study published in the Quarterly Journal of Economics described the program as being a bit of a wash,
      "...the effect of the program on auto purchases is almost completely reversed by as early as March 2010 — only seven months after the program ended.”
      Other studies have come to the same conclusion.
      There's also the question of how many perfectly good used cars were taken off the road due to the program.
      Source: Bloomberg via Automotive News (Subscription Required), The Drive, The Truth About Cars
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    • Great photo!  It's good fun to take random photos of random animals when they show up.  I was getting gas in Orlando FL on a humid night and a little green frog had made its home in one of the slots in the steel column holding up the canopy over the gas pump island.
    • PHOQUE IT!!!     I want #25!    If it wont be #7 as they blew last year, Ill take #25 this year.      
    • @ocnblu Got it. 3G is the first two digits of the VIN.  3 is country code Mexico and G is for GM.  So it was a Mexican built GM and there were only two of those on the list, the Avalanche and the EXT.  While I wouldn't have said no to an EXT, an Avalanche popped up that I couldn't NOT buy. So, I have bought what is likely the lowest mileage 2013 Avalanche in the country.  All the paperwork and loan has been finalized, I just have to pick it up on Wednesday.  It's a Blue Topaz 2013 LTZ Black Diamond with only 12,800 miles on the clock. I paid $32,990 and Carvana gave me $8,100 for the Cruze. It checks all my boxes for heated/cooled seats, heated steering wheel, remote start. The only thing is doesn't have that I would have liked is a sunroof, but for such a museum piece, I will survive without it.   
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