• Rumorpile: A Fiat 124 Coupe Is Said To Be In the Works


    Fiat is possibly adding another derivative of its Miata-based 124. Autocar has learned from sources that the Italian automaker is working a coupe variant. Unlike the retractable hardtop used on the MX-5 Miata RF, Fiat is keeping it simple by designing a regular coupe. It would also give a bit more differentiation between the 124 and Miata.

    We have a possible idea of where Fiat could go with the 124 coupe by looking at Abarth 124 Rally concept that appears to have a hardtop fitted permanently. Some sources say Fiat could change the design of the rear to better integrate the coupe roofline. 

    Power is currently undecided at the moment. Certain markets could get a 1.4L four-cylinder with 138 horsepower, while others may get the turbocharged 1.4L with 158 horsepower. There is talk about an Abarth model with 178 horsepower and limited-slip differential.

    Autocar says the 124 Coupe could be shown as soon as next year. 

    Source: Autocar

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    12 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    :puke: That is one ugly car.

    Well, that's the racer... it's supposed to win on speed, not beauty...

    I find the civilian version to actually be rather fetching. 

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    9 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Well, that's the racer... it's supposed to win on speed, not beauty...

    I find the civilian version to actually be rather fetching. 

    @Drew Dowdell Help me understand what is in the design that you find fetching? I grew up building Mustang and Camaro racers and have loved race cars, but the Miata is one auto I just could never find appealing and I hear from you and others about the Fiat and just do not see what draws the attention and I want to understand at least what I am missing about the design language of this auto. 

    I do not see masculine wheel wells, the front end and back end are to me just average. I honestly just see a rebadge of the Miata with the Fiat logo.

    Appreciate you telling me what strikes your fancy on this car. Thank you

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    Just now, dfelt said:

    @Drew Dowdell Help me understand what is in the design that you find fetching? I grew up building Mustang and Camaro racers and have loved race cars, but the Miata is one auto I just could never find appealing and I hear from you and others about the Fiat and just do not see what draws the attention and I want to understand at least what I am missing about the design language of this auto. 

    I do not see masculine wheel wells, the front end and back end are to me just average. I honestly just see a rebadge of the Miata with the Fiat logo.

    Appreciate you telling me what strikes your fancy on this car. Thank you

    I'm not that big a fan of the Miata.  It's okay, inoffensive, but doesn't really light my fire (few cars without "faces" do).

    The 124:

    1. Has a face. The Mazda only recently gained a face, but it's not one that I care for much. 

    2. They extended the nose up and out about 3 to 4 inches over the Miata giving it a longer looking hood.  As you can see in my signature, I like the long hood look. 

    3. It somewhat reminds me of the older british roadsters like the MG and Triumph, which I like. I know it's supposed to remind me of the old Fiat 124, but I never really had any experience with them growing up like I did with the MG and Triumph. 

    4. It's built by Mazda rather than Fiat, so I don't have to worry too much about reliability. 

    5. I'm not hung up on masculinity in my vehicles.  I drive a white Grandma's car and a little black egg of a Buick.

     

    2016-Fiat-124-Spider.jpg

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    @Drew Dowdell You Rock! :metal: Appreciate the points and I see what you mean when I look at the photo you included about the longer hood. That does look better than the Miata.

    Thank you,

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    I think the Fiat 124 looks plenty masculine in itself.
     Because of the little differences that Fiat did over the Miata as Drew pointed out.

    Let us not forget that Fiat put some Italian flair to it. And we all know that sometimes, Italians know how to beautify things. Yes. Yes. Sometimes those designs are not masculine at all and very feminine with all kinds of curves. Its still sexy.

    Very masuline this is:

    limited-edition-50th-anniversary-shelby-

     

    Or is it?

    Its got very curvaceous body work... Yes....the open gaping mouth, little hood vent,  side pipes and 427 under the hood make it macho....remember...the less version of this car looks like this:

    ac_cobra_01.jpg?11223

    The aggressive paint job on the abarth minimizes the curvaceousness of the front fenders, not that they are imposing to begin with, but that paint job is very macho.

    Alls it takes to make the Fiat 124 into a "427 Cobra" is an LS swap, bulgier front and rear fenders, open gaping mouth and side pipes....

    abarth_124_spider_01.jpg?itok=iISfgrbs

     

    Then we will probably end up with something like this....(with a LS rather than a V10)

    Dodge-Viper-srt10-600x450.jpg

    Besides, most European sports cars are designed with a more  feminine sexiness in mind rather than agressive masculine ruggedness of American sports cars. 

    This latest Miata is most definitely more macho than all other Miatas before it...

    That is my take on it anyway...

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Oh....I dont know how I feel for a coupe version....

    I think if I was in the market for a Miata or a Fiat 124, I think Id buy the roadster and Fiat 124...

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    1 hour ago, oldshurst442 said:

    Oh....I dont know how I feel for a coupe version....

    I think if I was in the market for a Miata or a Fiat 124, I think Id buy the roadster and Fiat 124...

    See, I've long wanted one of those old British roadsters for me and my partner to go touring in, but I don't want the headache of keeping an old British roadster running, having to buy special tools, etc.  I just want it to be a car to enjoy, not a car to wrench on.

    The Miata is supposed to deliver that sort of experience, however its looks just leave me limp.   If I ever do this, it will be the 124 or a used Saturn Sky, or a BMW Z3.

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    @Drew

    Saturn Sky or even the Pontiac Solstice are nicely sculpted cars, yes.

    I can never do a BMW Z3. The Z8 is my style.  That Fiat 124 really hits my buttons though, as much as the A/C Shelby Cobra, Pontiac Solstice, BMW Z8 have.  (I really really love the BMW Z8)

    Come to think of it, the perfect Fiat 124 Abarth for me to emulate a British Roadster with guts under the hood (like an A/C Shelby Cobra) would be that 3.9 liter V8 engine from the BMW M5/Z8.

    I just saw a dream  fantasy car being born right before me.

    I would love to buy a Fiat 124 roadster and engine swap it and drop in that BMW "4.0" V8....

     

     

    I TRIED DOING THAT "@ name" THINGY AND IT DID NOT WORK. MAYBE ITS BECAUSE I DONT KNOW HOW TO DO IT....Hmmmmm.

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    8 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    I'm not that big a fan of the Miata.  It's okay, inoffensive, but doesn't really light my fire (few cars without "faces" do).

    The 124:

    1. Has a face. The Mazda only recently gained a face, but it's not one that I care for much. 

    2. They extended the nose up and out about 3 to 4 inches over the Miata giving it a longer looking hood.  As you can see in my signature, I like the long hood look. 

    3. It somewhat reminds me of the older british roadsters like the MG and Triumph, which I like. I know it's supposed to remind me of the old Fiat 124, but I never really had any experience with them growing up like I did with the MG and Triumph. 

    4. It's built by Mazda rather than Fiat, so I don't have to worry too much about reliability. 

    5. I'm not hung up on masculinity in my vehicles.  I drive a white Grandma's car and a little black egg of a Buick.

     

    2016-Fiat-124-Spider.jpg

    Isn't the 124 using a Fiat tranny and motor? If so, I'm not sure how that makes it as reliable as the Miata. It actually does look better in person though. I pass by a Fiat dealership everyday and see four or five of those by the road and they have actually grown on me. I still wouldn't have one (or the Miata for that matter) but it is definitely the nicest looking Fiat out there. 

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    The 1.4T from Fiat is actually one of the bright spots in the FCA 4-cylinder lineup.  I doubt they're using a Fiat 6-speed manual.... what other RWD manual transmission cars in this size class does Fiat have.... no, they're probably just putting the Mazda unit in there. 

    edit: confirmed, the 6-speed manual is a Mazda unit.  I don't know what the automatic is, but I don't care because I would never buy it that way. 

    edit 2: The automatic is a mazda unit as well. 

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    6 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

    @Drew

    Saturn Sky or even the Pontiac Solstice are nicely sculpted cars, yes.

    I can never do a BMW Z3. The Z8 is my style.  That Fiat 124 really hits my buttons though, as much as the A/C Shelby Cobra, Pontiac Solstice, BMW Z8 have.  (I really really love the BMW Z8)

    Come to think of it, the perfect Fiat 124 Abarth for me to emulate a British Roadster with guts under the hood (like an A/C Shelby Cobra) would be that 3.9 liter V8 engine from the BMW M5/Z8.

    I just saw a dream  fantasy car being born right before me.

    I would love to buy a Fiat 124 roadster and engine swap it and drop in that BMW "4.0" V8....

     

     

    I TRIED DOING THAT "@ name" THINGY AND IT DID NOT WORK. MAYBE ITS BECAUSE I DONT KNOW HOW TO DO IT....Hmmmmm.

    @oldshurst442 You need to use the @ sign and start typing the handle of the person, You will see a pop up window and you then click on the persons handle. This puts in the @ blue box. If you do not see the popup window, then you have popup blocker turned on in your browser and you need to add C&G to your safe site list to allow popups.

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    Thanx for treating me like a dumb-ass with the over explained visuals...you know, with the red circles and the pointer as if I dont know my own handle...

    :angry:

    Just kidding!

    :roflmao:

    Well what do you know??!!!

    IT WORKS!!! :thumbsup:

    @dfelt  you rock!:metal:

     

     

     

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    11 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

    Thanx for treating me like a dumb-ass with the over explained visuals...you know, with the red circles and the pointer as if I dont know my own handle...

    :angry:

    Just kidding!

    :roflmao:

    Well what do you know??!!!

    IT WORKS!!! :thumbsup:

    @dfelt  you rock!:metal:

     

     

     

    :roflmao: Sorry do not mean to treat anyone like a dumbass. As a computer engineer who builds virtual setups to train people worldwide on Enterprise Storage, I am in the habit of clearly marking up the screen to make sure everyone including english as a second language know what to do. :P

    At 6'6" tall 280lbs you can pound on me all you want as I can take it. :D After all, I am built like a Rock!, American Strong, Like a timex, take a licken and keeps on ticken! :roflmao: 

    Will always try my best to help. Glad you got it figured out now. :) 

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    @dfelt 

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    Glad you got it figured out now.  -_-

    Thanx alot for being condescending  you arrogant piece of... :cussing:

     

    Yes. Yes. I took the liberty to do some creative editing in your post for the humor effect. You being 6'6''/280, and I at 5'6.5"/170ish, I wont be being too mouthy with you buddy! :D

     

    OK, back to the Fiat 124 coupe.

    Serious question:

    Does Fiat have the engineering plans and intellectual materials and access to the production facilities to do this on their own or will Mazda be doing it for them?

     

     

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    9 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

    You being 6'6''/280, and I at 5'6.5"/170ish, I wont be being too mouthy with you buddy! :D

    @oldshurst442 I think you have the need, the need for some speed!

    Time to take your car out for a serious drive and let the wind in your hair, tunes blasting and think back to those awesome ALF episodes!

    :smilewide:

    Need another cat?

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    12 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    The 1.4T from Fiat is actually one of the bright spots in the FCA 4-cylinder lineup.  I doubt they're using a Fiat 6-speed manual.... what other RWD manual transmission cars in this size class does Fiat have.... no, they're probably just putting the Mazda unit in there. 

    edit: confirmed, the 6-speed manual is a Mazda unit.  I don't know what the automatic is, but I don't care because I would never buy it that way. 

    edit 2: The automatic is a mazda unit as well. 

    That's good about the tranny but I'm very old school with Fiat. I remember why they had to stop selling in the country three decades ago. I just don't trust their motors at all. If the 1.4L changes that, then that is a good start for them. Now if they could just stop screwing everything else up. 

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    39 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    That's good about the tranny but I'm very old school with Fiat. I remember why they had to stop selling in the country three decades ago. I just don't trust their motors at all. If the 1.4L changes that, then that is a good start for them. Now if they could just stop screwing everything else up. 

    The 1.4T is in many Jeep Renegades and Dodge Darts..... it's the engine that people don't complain about.... the 2.4 is the awful one, but that came from a Chrysler/Hyundai/Mitsubishi collaboration, so it's hardly surprising. 

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    1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    The 1.4T is in many Jeep Renegades and Dodge Darts..... it's the engine that people don't complain about.... the 2.4 is the awful one, but that came from a Chrysler/Hyundai/Mitsubishi collaboration, so it's hardly surprising. 

    C&D don't seem all that fond of the 1.4L T in the 124 Roadster.

     

    " Fiat’s biggest misstep—adding power—actually seems like a good idea on paper. The reality is that the 1.4-liter turbo is a lag-filled look at the pitfalls of turbocharging. Below 2500 rpm, the engine appears to run on Sleepytime tea. A saunter from 30 to 50 mph in sixth gear takes 13.6 seconds, almost three seconds longer than the ­Miata’s time, and only a half-second quicker than a manual Ford Focus with the 1.0-liter three-cylinder. Waiting this long is usually accompanied by an old issue of People ­magazine or Highlights for Children. And yes, we realize that any sentient driver would downshift when faced with such a delay, but our top-gear acceleration test does highlight the car’s complete lack of motivation before the turbo wakes up. "

    " When the boost finally makes an appearance, it comes on all of a sudden. And that surge of acceleration tapers off quickly past the 5500-rpm power peak. Launched with a 4400-rpm clutch drop, the Spider will arrive at 60 mph in 6.7 seconds, a significant half-second behind the Mazda. "

     

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      Ram pickup truck sales increased 6 percent in March, compared with the same month a year ago. In addition, sales of the Ram ProMaster van were up 24 percent for the month. Ram Truck brand sales, which include the pickup, ProMaster and ProMaster City, were up 6 percent in March. The brand last month unveiled a new exterior color shade for its luxurious and capable Laramie Longhorn line of pickup trucks. RV Match Walnut Brown will serve as the model’s new two-tone contrast color, replacing White Gold. The Ram Laramie Longhorn is the Texas Auto Writers Association’s Luxury Truck of Texas.
       
      FIAT Brand
      Sales of the Fiat 500 increased 12 percent in March, compared with the same month a year ago. Fiat 124 Spider sales were up 39 percent compared with the previous month of February. Experts at Cars.com consider the all-new 2017 Fiat 124 Spider best in its segment, naming it the “Best New Convertible” of 2017.
       
      Jeep® Brand
      The Jeep Grand Cherokee – the brand’s volume leader for the month – recorded a 22 percent year-over-year sales increase in March for its best sales month this year. The all-new 2017 Jeep Compass – the most capable compact SUV ever with the most advanced 4x4 systems in its class – began shipping to Jeep dealerships in March. The new Compass expands the Jeep brand’s global reach with an unmatched combination of attributes that includes legendary and best-in-class 4x4 off-road capability, advanced fuel-efficient powertrains, premium and authentic Jeep design, superior on-road driving dynamics, open-air freedom, and a host of innovative safety and advanced technology offerings.
       
      Chrysler Brand
      Sales of the all-new 2017 Chrysler Pacifica – the most awarded minivan of 2016 and 2017 – were up in its third month of year-over-year comparisons, and increased 3 percent compared with sales in the previous month of February. March also was the Pacifica’s best sales month so far this year. The Pacifica continues to earn a plethora of awards and accolades in 2017, landing on Kelley Blue Book’s list of the “12 Best Family Cars of 2017” in the best minivans category, and “2017 North American Utility of the Year.”
       
      Alfa Romeo Brand
      Alfa Romeo brand sales of 555 units were up 1,191 percent compared with the same month a year ago.
       
      Maserati Brand
      Maserati brand sales of 1,312 units were up 32 percent compared with the same month in 2016.
      U.S. Sales Summary March 2017
                      Month Sales
      Vol %
      CYTD Sales
      Vol %
      Model
      Curr Yr
      Pr Yr
      Change
      Curr Yr
      Pr Yr
      Change
      Compass
      2,651
      7,823
      -66%
      8,552
      22,987
      -63%
      Patriot
      5,968
      9,264
      -36%
      16,180
      29,211
      -45%
      Wrangler
      16,336
      17,586
      -7%
      41,311
      41,922
      -1%
      Cherokee
      14,589
      16,302
      -11%
      40,755
      48,438
      -16%
      Grand Cherokee
      20,374
      16,693
      22%
      56,600
      47,658
      19%
      Renegade
      8,065
      8,872
      -9%
      25,345
      22,154
      14%
      JEEP BRAND
      67,983
      76,540
      -11%
      188,743
      212,370
      -11%
      200
      2,565
      4,971
      -48%
      6,620
      15,915
      -58%
      300
      4,969
      6,172
      -19%
      15,063
      17,141
      -12%
      Town & Country
      95
      14,200
      -99%
      341
      37,228
      -99%
      Pacifica
      9,340
      30
      New
      25,052
      140
      New
      CHRYSLER BRAND
      16,969
      25,373
      -33%
      47,076
      70,424
      -33%
      Dart
      1,578
      5,137
      -69%
      4,658
      16,241
      -71%
      Avenger
      0
      8
      -100%
      0
      23
      -100%
      Charger
      8,236
      8,798
      -6%
      22,319
      26,345
      -15%
      Challenger
      6,225
      5,325
      17%
      15,725
      16,128
      -2%
      Viper
      71
      65
      9%
      178
      137
      30%
      Journey
      11,858
      5,931
      100%
      34,400
      23,892
      44%
      Caravan
      15,602
      13,124
      19%
      40,054
      38,057
      5%
      Durango
      6,506
      7,241
      -10%
      16,729
      20,093
      -17%
      DODGE  BRAND
      50,076
      45,629
      10%
      134,063
      140,916
      -5%
      Ram P/U
      46,384
      43,647
      6%
      119,199
      113,298
      5%
      Cargo Van
      0
      1
      -100%
      0
      3
      -100%
      ProMaster Van
      4,048
      3,263
      24%
      10,047
      8,302
      21%
      ProMaster City
      1,317
      1,886
      -30%
      3,333
      4,551
      -27%
      RAM BRAND
      51,749
      48,797
      6%
      132,579
      126,154
      5%
      Giulia
      484
      0
      New
      966
      0
      New
      Alfa 4C 
      71
      43
      65%
      140
      158
      -11%
      ALFA BRAND
      555
      43
      1191%
      1,106
      158
      600%
      500
      1,671
      1,494
      12%
      4,020
      3,595
      12%
      500L
      106
      535
      -80%
      284
      1,262
      -77%
      500X
      726
      1,056
      -31%
      1,966
      3,258
      -40%
      Spider
      419
      0
      New
      961
      0
      New
      FIAT BRAND
      2,922
      3,085
      -5%
      7,231
      8,115
      -11%
      TOTAL FCA US LLC
      190,254
      199,467
      -5%
      510,798
      558,137
      -8%
          Total Car & MPV
      51,432
      59,902
      -14%
      136,381
      172,370
      -21%
          Total UV's
      87,073
      90,768
      -4%
      241,838
      259,613
      -7%
          Total Truck & LCV
      51,749
      48,797
      6%
      132,579
      126,154
      5%
                    MASERATI BRAND
      1,312
      997
      32%
      3,288
      2,250
      46%
                 
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