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    Ford's Kansas City Plant To Take A Week Off In January


    • Ford's Kansas City plant will be taking the first week of the new year off

    Ford will be idling the Kansas City assembly plant for a week next month to cut down on truck and van inventory. Automotive News reports the downtime will take place from January 2nd to 9th. A spokeswoman said the downtime would be used to performance plant maintenance. 

    At the moment, Ford has an 85-day inventory of F-Series trucks and 108-day inventory of Transit vans. 

    Ford had recently idled Kansas City back in October for a week. It was one of four plants that saw extended downtime this year.

    Source: Automotive News (Subscription Required)

     

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    So GM is not the only one with excess inventory issues and this is the second time in two months that there have been work stoppages, as it relates to the F Series. Time to sit back and enjoy some popcorn.

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    53 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    So GM is not the only one with excess inventory issues and this is the second time in two months that there have been work stoppages, as it relates to the F Series. Time to sit back and enjoy some popcorn.

    I'm thinking this next stoppage aside from cutting down inventory is also to get the plant ready for 2018 F-150 refresh. We know there are some new engines (a diesel being one) along with some exterior changes. 

    That's my guess.

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    45 minutes ago, William Maley said:

    I'm thinking this next stoppage aside from cutting down inventory is also to get the plant ready for 2018 F-150 refresh. We know there are some new engines (a diesel being one) along with some exterior changes. 

    That's my guess.

    That's always a possibility but their long stays on the lots seem to suggest and oversupply problem, much like GM. 

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    1 factory, 1 week, and not a bad amount of time on the lots for a model that is about to get a refresh.

     

    GM can learn something here, as most of their new sedans are on that list of 5 or 6 factories, most of which are closing for 3 weeks, all of which are on lots far longer.

     

     

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    This is twice in two months, in the case of the best selling F-150 (it was several weeks the first time) but I guess if one has to make excuses, that's how it will always be. 

     

    Lets see which is more surprising here. Declining sedan sales (which is affecting all makes) that lead to shut downs?

     

    or

     

    Shut down(s) (x2 now in two months) on the best selling truck in the country?

     

     

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    F-150 builds in large quantities across several factories. Factory adjustments happen all the time and always will.  In this particular case, I am thinking they spiked up volumes to fill some voids as SD got up to speed.

     

    That is all a far cry from a GM 8 year high and glut in product affecting so many plants......all at the same time.....mostly on newer products.

    Blind fanboys seeking some kind of common ground here is a laugh.  

    GM will be fine, but honestly, they have a whole months worth of excess product to try to move as we enter 2017.  I am very curious how they will do so.

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    13 hours ago, Wings4Life said:

    F-150 builds in large quantities across several factories. Factory adjustments happen all the time and always will.  In this particular case, I am thinking they spiked up volumes to fill some voids as SD got up to speed.

     

    That is all a far cry from a GM 8 year high and glut in product affecting so many plants......all at the same time.....mostly on newer products.

    Blind fanboys seeking some kind of common ground here is a laugh.  

    GM will be fine, but honestly, they have a whole months worth of excess product to try to move as we enter 2017.  I am very curious how they will do so.

    Again, as long as you have an excuse here while you freely criticize the competition for the EXACT same thing, that's perfectly okay. 

     

    You also may may want to watch who you call a blind fanboy given those very excuses. Something about a pot and a kettle comes to mind. 

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    4 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    Again, as long as you have an excuse here while you freely criticize the competition for the EXACT same thing, that's perfectly okay. 

     

    You also may may want to watch who you call a blind fanboy given those very excuses. Something about a pot and a kettle comes to mind. 

    And again, one brand deserves the criticism they got, because it is a much bigger problem.

    The other brand is not.

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    41 minutes ago, Wings4Life said:

    And again, one brand deserves the criticism they got, because it is a much bigger problem.

    The other brand is not.

    False.  It is the same problem dealt with in two different ways. 

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    16 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    False.  It is the same problem dealt with in two different ways. 

    Sorry, 

    5 factories, 3 of them closing for 3 weeks and laying off, all for newer products,  may be considered the same problem, but one is much more serious.

     

     

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    12 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    Isn't it like 1 or 2 models vs like 5 or 6?

    It is.

    And it is normal to idle a factory or two throughout the year, to balance inventories. 

    But 5 simultaneously is NOT normal, and suggests a unique problem that needs to be addressed.

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    45 minutes ago, Wings4Life said:

    It is.

    And it is normal to idle a factory or two throughout the year, to balance inventories. 

    But 5 simultaneously is NOT normal, and suggests a unique problem that needs to be addressed.

    Nor is keeping Avis and Budget on speed dial normal... at least not since 2010 or so...   but each company deals with the issue in their own way. 

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    21 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Nor is keeping Avis and Budget on speed dial normal... at least not since 2010 or so...   but each company deals with the issue in their own way. 

    So you do agree with me, it's not normal.

    Great.

    Now, what should we expect the brand you defend so feverishly to do....Budget call or Fire Sale?

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    1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

    Isn't it like 1 or 2 models vs like 5 or 6?

    Again, best selling truck (on it's second idle in two months btw) vs declining sedan and coupe sales. I'll let you be the judge of which one is more surprising here and which one comes equipped with more excuses apparently.

     

    And just so we are clear here, it should be concerning to GM to have those models on the lots that long so I am not pretending like there isn't an issue there. However, it is fair play to levy equal criticism at Ford, given that they spent the first nine months fire selling more than 30% of their inventory to the fleet and rental market yet they are struggling at a certain level as well. The diehard fans (all two of them) may not like that but that is the simple fact, regardless of the endless excuses they give. That is all I'm going to say about it because I have a 44th to celebrate today and it's time to jam out in the garage today!

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    5 minutes ago, Wings4Life said:

    So you do agree with me, it's not normal.

    Great.

    Now, what should we expect the brand you defend so feverishly to do....Budget call or Fire Sale?

    I'm not Mary Barra and that is a false dichotomy.   It sounds like GM is taking the steps it needs to in order to quell the inventory surge.  If it works it works, if it doesn't, it doesn't. 

    The net situation is this... people at both companies (and apparently FCA) overestimated sales of certain segments for this year.  One company is dumping vehicles into rental fleets, the other is shutting down plants to avoid increasing incentives and avoid an increase of low profit sales to rental fleets.  I would argue that avoiding incentives and rental fleets is probably the better long term plan because it helps keep residuals higher.... but I'm not a finance guy at either company so I couldn't be sure which is the better solution.

    Each company may be using the best solution for themselves. One size does not fit all. 

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    30 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    Again, best selling truck (on it's second idle in two months btw) vs declining sedan and coupe sales. I'll let you be the judge of which one is more surprising here and which one comes equipped with more excuses apparently.

     

    And just so we are clear here, it should be concerning to GM to have those models on the lots that long so I am not pretending like there isn't an issue there. However, it is fair play to levy equal criticism at Ford, given that they spent the first nine months fire selling more than 30% of their inventory to the fleet and rental market yet they are struggling at a certain level as well. The diehard fans (all two of them) may not like that but that is the simple fact, regardless of the endless excuses they give. That is all I'm going to say about it because I have a 44th to celebrate today and it's time to jam out in the garage today!

    I think it's ignorant to think idling a few plants for a total of only a few weeks out of the year(maybe a month if you total all of the time for each plant combined) for either company is a bad thing. Like it's been mentioned already(I think in a different thread) it's good that they have the luxury to be able to idle a plant and control your inventory rather than being forced to produce inventory with nowhere for it to go. It also isn't like these plants weren't working 3 shifts at one point either so I think both companies need to work on their projections better because they were paying OT(or paying to train a 3rd shift - wasted money regardless) for awhile and now idling. That's poor management for both of them. They should have trimmed shifts sooner.

    Best selling truck idling...and still best selling truck.. so what?

    YTD(through Nov. 2016)

    F-Series: Up 5.5%

    Silverado: Down 3.2%

    Sierra: Up 0.9%

    Ram: Up 8.1%

    I don't think Ford is worried about idling a plant to control their supply/demand when they still have very good numbers on the year. Explain how THAT is a bad thing.

    Ps. HAPPY 44TH!

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    11 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    I think it's ignorant to think idling a few plants for a total of only a few weeks out of the year(maybe a month if you total all of the time for each plant combined) for either company is a bad thing. Like it's been mentioned already(I think in a different thread) it's good that they have the luxury to be able to idle a plant and control your inventory rather than being forced to produce inventory with nowhere for it to go. It also isn't like these plants weren't working 3 shifts at one point either so I think both companies need to work on their projections better because they were paying OT(or paying to train a 3rd shift - wasted money regardless) for awhile and now idling. That's poor management for both of them. They should have trimmed shifts sooner.

    Best selling truck idling...and still best selling truck.. so what?

    YTD(through Nov. 2016)

    F-Series: Up 5.5%

    Silverado: Down 3.2%

    Sierra: Up 0.9%

    Ram: Up 8.1%

    I don't think Ford is worried about idling a plant to control their supply/demand when they still have very good numbers on the year. Explain how THAT is a bad thing.

    Ps. HAPPY 44TH!

    You kind of missed my point about the trucks but no worries. And yes, I agree that it really isn't that big of a deal yet some here like to spend a disproportionate amount of attention on the ones whom they are not beholden to, so I am simply presenting the other side of the coin and equalizing things a bit. I don't give two squats what they think about it either because they will never change their minds anyway. 

     

    And thanks for the B-Day wishes. Jamming it out really old school right now (and probably pissing off some neighbors in the process lol). 

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    58 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    I'm not Mary Barra and that is a false dichotomy.   It sounds like GM is taking the steps it needs to in order to quell the inventory surge.  If it works it works, if it doesn't, it doesn't. 

    The net situation is this... people at both companies (and apparently FCA) overestimated sales of certain segments for this year.  One company is dumping vehicles into rental fleets, the other is shutting down plants to avoid increasing incentives and avoid an increase of low profit sales to rental fleets.  I would argue that avoiding incentives and rental fleets is probably the better long term plan because it helps keep residuals higher.... but I'm not a finance guy at either company so I couldn't be sure which is the better solution.

    Each company may be using the best solution for themselves. One size does not fit all. 

    So Ford is dumping to rental fleet and GM is being cautious and not.

    Except that GM is the one doing the 'dumping' recently, with 27% increased just last month.  I think we can expect that to continue, has been my only point. 

    https://www.gm.com/investors/sales/us-sales-production.html

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    The way I see this you can shut the plant for a month or you can do it a week at a time over several months.

    1 Month = several 1 week shut downs.  It is all the same. Depending on how they are structured with supplied and maintenance it could be more cost effective for GM to do their time all at once then during several shorter shutdowns.

    The reality is the market is slowing and it has been predicted to do so. There was no way to put a day or time on it but they knew it would come. Now they will play the adjustment game to keep inventories where they need to be. 

    Ford and GM both are in good shape but many others are going to struggle. If the economy remains as it is or gets better things will be ok. If there is a world crises or other issues we may see some companies feel some real problems.

    Either way I would not make a big issue out of the GM and Ford shut downs to this point. Now if both are sitting on a several months of cars in August then I would worry.

    2 minutes ago, TaurusSHO said:

    All this talk about incentives... it's worth noting that GM has higher incentives than Ford on average.

    It is worth noting GM has a higher ATP on many models and more room to give more incentives.  In the end they both have shown good profits. This point is like the shut downs much about nothing as the end profit determines the outcome and both are doing well.

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    33 minutes ago, hyperv6 said:

    The way I see this you can shut the plant for a month or you can do it a week at a time over several months.

    1 Month = several 1 week shut downs.  It is all the same. Depending on how they are structured with supplied and maintenance it could be more cost effective for GM to do their time all at once then during several shorter shutdowns.

    The reality is the market is slowing and it has been predicted to do so. There was no way to put a day or time on it but they knew it would come. Now they will play the adjustment game to keep inventories where they need to be. 

    Ford and GM both are in good shape but many others are going to struggle. If the economy remains as it is or gets better things will be ok. If there is a world crises or other issues we may see some companies feel some real problems.

    Either way I would not make a big issue out of the GM and Ford shut downs to this point. Now if both are sitting on a several months of cars in August then I would worry.

    It is worth noting GM has a higher ATP on many models and more room to give more incentives.  In the end they both have shown good profits. This point is like the shut downs much about nothing as the end profit determines the outcome and both are doing well.

    Oh I agree completely.  I was only pointing out that even though some are saying GM is shutting down plants to enhance profits while Ford throws more incentives on the hood, GM actually has higher incentives.  Both will be solid through any potential economic downturn.  It's just something for fanboys/trolls on both sides to beat their chests about. 

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    2 hours ago, TaurusSHO said:

    All this talk about incentives... it's worth noting that GM has higher incentives than Ford on average.

    For the first nine months of the year, they didn't. Feel free to look that up. The higher ATPs also back that up. 

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      Ford has ripped off the sheet of the next-generation Fiesta ST that will make its official debut next month at the Geneva Motor Show. 
      The big news is what lies under the ST's hood. A new 1.5L EcoBoost three-cylinder produces 197 horsepower and 214 pound-feet of torque. This is a noticeable increase from the current Fiesta ST sold in Europe as it only produces 180 horsepower and 177 pound-feet of torque from a 1.6L EcoBoost four. Paired with a six-speed manual, the Fiesta ST hits 60 mph in 6.7 seconds - 0.2 seconds faster than the outgoing model.
      The new three-cylinder also comes with cylinder-deactivation. Under light loads, the engine can run on just two-cylinders to save fuel.
      Another big change is the introduction of three driving modes - Normal, Sport, and Track. The modes alters the response of the engine and throttle; steering, stability control, and exhaust sound. (Yes, the new Fiesta ST comes with a sound enhancement system). Torque vectoring is standard and will help reduce understeer when entering a corner.
      The European market will get the choice of three and five-door body styles of the ST. It is quite the looker up front with the new mesh grille and reshaped headlights. The same cannot be said for the back which looks a bit boring. Inside, there are a set of Recaro seats to hold you and a passenger in during enthusiastic driving. Other items of note include a flat-bottom steering wheel and a 8-inch touchscreen featuring SYNC 3.
      Ford says the Fiesta ST will go on sale in Europe early next year. There's no word on if and when the Fiesta ST (or for that matter the Fiesta itself) will come to the U.S.
      Source: Ford
      Press Release is on Page 2
      Next-Gen Ford Fiesta ST Debuts 200PS, Three-Cylinder, 1.5-Litre EcoBoost Engine and Drive Modes
      Ford Performance reveals next generation Ford Fiesta ST powered by an all-new 200PS, three-cylinder, 1.5‑litre EcoBoost engine at the Geneva Motor Show First three-cylinder Ford Performance model also features Drive Modes that adjust engine, steering, stability controls and even exhaust sound for optimised driving fun Electronic Sound Enhancement and active exhaust valve amplify sporty sound of three-cylinder engine that also features cylinder deactivation for further reduced CO2* Enhanced range of personalisation options and technology includes newstyling packs, SYNC 3 connectivity with eight-inch touchscreen and B&O Play high-end audio BRENTWOOD, UK, Feb. 24, 2017 – Ford Performance today announced the next generation Ford Fiesta ST, powered by an all-new three-cylinder, 1.5-litre EcoBoost engine.
      Shown for the first time ahead of its global public debut at the Geneva Motor Show next month, the next‑generation Fiesta ST will deliver 200PS, 290Nm of torque and anticipated 0‑62mph acceleration in 6.7sec.
      The third generation of Fiesta ST will be the first ever Ford Performance model powered by a three-cylinder engine, and the first Fiesta ST to feature selectable Drive Modes – enabling engine, steering and stability controls to be configured to Normal, Sport and Track settings for an optimised fun-to-drive experience in conditions from motorways to track days.
      Drive Modes will also adjust Fiesta ST’s Electronic Sound Enhancement (ESE) technology and active exhaust noise control valve to deliver an even more satisfying driving experience. The technologies amplify the naturally sporty sound of the new 1.5-litre EcoBoost engine that also features Ford’s industry-first cylinder deactivation system for a three-cylinder engine, for further reduced CO2 emissions of an anticipated 114g/km.*
      Available from launch in early 2018 in both three-door and five-door bodystyles, the next generation Fiesta ST will be offered with a greater variety of interior trim and personalisation options than ever before, with bold and distinctive exterior styling that includes a unique race-car-inspired mesh grille and exclusive 18in alloy wheels.
      “Our next generation Fiesta ST is true to the philosophy of delivering cutting-edge technology to enhance every facet of the responsive Ford Performance chassis and powertrain,” said Joe Bakaj, vice president, Product Development, Ford of Europe. “With selectable Drive Modes and an all-new EcoBoost engine delivering an unprecedented combination of performance and fuel-efficiency, the new model will deliver the most versatile, fun, engaging and rewarding Fiesta ST driving experience yet.”
      All-new 1-5-litre EcoBoost engine
      Part of Ford’s EcoBoost range of petrol engines that also includes the multi-award-winning 1.0‑litre EcoBoost, the all-new 1.5-litre EcoBoost engine uses technology including turbocharging, high-pressure fuel injection and Twin-independent Variable Cam Timing to deliver optimised performance and fuel efficiency.
      The engine’s three-cylinder architecture delivers naturally high torque at low rpm. Performance is further boosted by a new turbocharger that uses an optimised turbine design to build boost pressure faster and minimise lag for a more responsive and fun driving experience.
      A new combination of port fuel injection and direct fuel injection technology helps deliver high power and responsiveness alongside reduced CO2 emissions,* with a particular increase in fuel efficiency under light engine loads.
      Ford’s new cylinder deactivation technology – first announced for the 1.0-litre EcoBoost engine and a world first for a three-cylinder engine – will further improve fuel efficiency for Fiesta ST customers without affecting performance by automatically stopping fuel delivery and valve operation for one of the engine’s cylinders in conditions where full capacity is not needed, such as when coasting or cruising with light demand on the engine. The technology can disengage or re-engage one cylinder in 14 milliseconds – 20 times faster than the blink of an eye – to seamlessly deliver full performance on demand.
      The all-aluminium engine also features an integrated exhaust manifold thatimproves efficiency by helping the engine reach optimal temperatures faster, and delivers torque more rapidly by minimising the distance exhaust gasses travel between cylinders and turbocharger. Gas particulate filter technology that reduces soot emissions will also feature.
      New Drive Modes
      Selectable Drive Modes add even more versatility for the next generation Fiesta ST, enabling drivers to optimise the driving experience to suit scenarios from school run to the race track:
      In Normal mode, engine mapping, traction control, electronic stability control (ESC), ESE, exhaust sound and electronic power assisted steering (EPAS) are configured to deliver natural responsiveness and a connected feel In Sport mode, engine mapping and throttle pedal response are sharpened, and EPAS settings adjusted to deliver more feedback and finer control for fast road driving. The active noise control valve opens and ESE is adjusted to intensify the sporty exhaust note and engine noise within the cabin In Track mode, all vehicle dynamics features are tuned for the fastest possible lap times, traction control is disabled and ESC interventions are set to wide-slip mode for hard circuit driving  The agile and responsive Ford Performance-tuned chassis will be supported by enhanced Torque Vectoring Control technology that improves road holding and reduces understeer by applying brake force to the inside front wheel when cornering. Three-mode ESC will enable drivers to choose between full system intervention; wide-slip mode with limited intervention; and full system de-activation.
      Greater personalisation
      The next generation Fiesta ST will offer more personalisation options than ever before. Customers will be able to choose from a range of trim elements for the gear lever, steering wheel, door pulls and decorative dashboard spear, and select from distinctive styling packs.
      The ergonomic Fiesta ST interior will feature supportive Recaro seats and a flat-bottomed steering wheel. Exterior colour options will include new Liquid Blue and the Fiesta ST will feature exclusive 18in alloy wheels.
      “Our ST models are designed to make a Ford Performance driving experience accessible to customers regardless of lifestyle,” said Matthias Tonn, Fiesta ST chief programme engineer. “With three- and five-door bodystyles and distinctive styling options that complement the model’s performance characteristics available from day-one, the next generation Fiesta ST will deliver a broader appeal for an even wider range of car-buyers.”
      Ford’s SYNC 3 communications and entertainment system will enable Fiesta ST drivers to control audio, navigation and connected smartphones using simple, conversational voice commands. Compatible with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto™, SYNC 3 is supported by floating, tablet-inspired touchscreens up to eight inches in size that can be operated using pinch and swipe gestures.
      The next generation Fiesta ST also will be offered with a high quality B&O PLAY Sound System for a high-end audio experience – among features Ford first announced last year for the next generation Fiesta.
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