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    Rumorpile: A Four-Door Ford Mustang?

      Trying to make sense of the latest rumors

    Last month, Ford held a meeting with their dealers in Las Vegas to give them an update of where the company is heading and what to expect in the near future. According to a report from the Mustang6g.com forum, Ford shared vague plans for a four-door variant that would feature a turbo V8 and compete against the likes of the Audi A7 and Porsche Panamera. No timeframe was mention as to when this model could debut.

    Let's try to take this rumor apart.

    The poster who originally brought this to light appears to have joined the forum earlier in October. This either means this is completely made up or there is some truth to this, considering the poster got this info from two sources.

    We know Ford is wanting to leverage the Mustang's aura to help with future products. An example is the upcoming electric crossover that will have elements of the Mustang in its design. The model was teased as the Mach 1, though Ford has decided to scrap the name. Whether Ford decides to use elements of the Mustang's design or decide to stretch the model to add to two doors is unclear.

    Its believed that the next-generation Mustang will move onto modular RWD/AWD platform that will underpin the next-generation Ford Explorer and Lincoln Aviator. But The Truth About Cars has learned from sources will continue with its current platform, possibly in a mild-refreshed form. That seems tough to believe as Ford is in the middle of reducing costs. Keeping the Mustang platform around for two models seems crazy. TTAC seems to have similar feelings and believes that the Mustang and the possible four-door will move to the new platform.

    What about the turbo V8? Ford currently doesn't have one at the moment and there haven't been any rumors of one being worked on. You might think that it could be the V8 under the upcoming Shelby GT500, but that one is supercharged. 

    Also, how would this new fit into Ford's current plan of slashing their car lineup to make room for more trucks and utilities?

    We have a lot of questions, but not many answers. Maybe there is some truth in here, or it is just some smoke in the wind. We'll keep you updated.

    Source: Mustang6g.com, Car and Driver, The Truth About Cars



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    Distraction with smoke and mirrors sounds like.

    Ignore our crazy lack of directions for the car side of the family.

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    47 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    I say why not.... heck, the Kia Stinger gets a lot of praise and it's basically what a 4-door mustang should be. 

    The Kia Stinger brings out a lot of the inner enthusiast in me. And it isn't selling half bad for a niche vehicle.

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    1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    I say why not.... heck, the Kia Stinger gets a lot of praise and it's basically what a 4-door mustang should be. 

    I agree, and 4 doors would open the Mustang up to more buyers, offer all wheel drive would as well.  And since Ford is killing all the other sedans, you need 1 car with a usable back seat unless you just don’t care about sales and I feel like these dealers will revolt without any cars.

    Question is will Ford price a 4 door Mustang like a 2 door, or will they do something stupid and price it at $50-60k and think it can compete with German sedans?  

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    4 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    It would definitely be priced similar to a Stinger.

    30-50k seems about right. 

    Does it though when Ford can't sell sedans that cost $20-30k?  

    A Mustang GT Premium is $39k, so I don't see why they can't do a V8 Sedan for $40k.  The Ecoboost 4 Mustangs are in the low $30s, seems like this sedan should live in the $30-40k range.  Really they should be modeling Dodge Charger pricing.

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    Man do I miss the Pontiac G8...Chevy SS..., the Charger will probably die, 300 is already in its coffin, the Stinger is humiliating all the American automakers....

    What now!? Someone say a Mustang sedan!!!

    I said I missed those cars, I don’t want a Mustang sedan, plus it’s heresy!!!

     

     

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    35 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Does it though when Ford can't sell sedans that cost $20-30k?  

    A Mustang GT Premium is $39k, so I don't see why they can't do a V8 Sedan for $40k.  The Ecoboost 4 Mustangs are in the low $30s, seems like this sedan should live in the $30-40k range.  Really they should be modeling Dodge Charger pricing.

    The GT can easily be optioned above 50k, and if they offered a top trim equivalent to the GT350, then 65k+ could be possible. 

    I like the idea of a 4dr Ford sport sedan w V8 and RWD w/ AWD optional.   Not sure if Mustang is the right identity, but I can see the appeal of a tie in w/ Mustang identity.  Other than the Taurus SHO, Ford really doesn’t have much of a sport sedan history in the US. 

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    58 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Does it though when Ford can't sell sedans that cost $20-30k?  

    A Mustang GT Premium is $39k, so I don't see why they can't do a V8 Sedan for $40k.  The Ecoboost 4 Mustangs are in the low $30s, seems like this sedan should live in the $30-40k range.  Really they should be modeling Dodge Charger pricing.

    You must fear that Ford just might build a better performance sedan than what MB offers in AMG.

    Found this online as I was wondering if any photoshop had been done. Pretty nice actually.

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    why not just get CTS-V or Vsport.  apart from only being RWD you can already get a kick ass sedan like that.  If you were to find a one year old Vsport it won't be that much more than a decked out mustang either.

    28 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

    The GT can easily be optioned above 50k, and if they offered a top trim equivalent to the GT350, then 65k+ could be possible. 

    I like the idea of a 4dr Ford sport sedan w V8 and RWD w/ AWD optional.   Not sure if Mustang is the right identity, but I can see the appeal of a tie in w/ Mustang identity.  Other than the Taurus SHO, Ford really doesn’t have much of a sport sedan history in the US. 

    and it is true, maybe we are a point where the classic pony car (2 door rwd) could end up being usurped buy something with 4 doors and optional AWD.

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    7 minutes ago, regfootball said:

    why not just get CTS-V or Vsport.  apart from only being RWD you can already get a kick ass sedan like that.  If you were to find a one year old Vsport it won't be that much more than a decked out mustang either.

    and it is true, maybe we are a point where the classic pony car (2 door rwd) could end up being usurped buy something with 4 doors and optional AWD.

    Decided to see what was out there and at the local Chevy dealer I found a 2010 CTS-V with only 20,000 miles for $37,912 single owner. 94 on the carfax score.

    https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=492572758&zip=98043&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D98043%26listingTypes%3DUSED%2CCERTIFIED%26startYear%3D1981%26sortBy%3Drelevance%26incremental%3Dall%26firstRecord%3D0%26marketExtension%3Don%26endYear%3D2019%26modelCodeList%3DCTS%26makeCodeList%3DCAD%26searchRadius%3D50%26trimCodeList%3DCTS%7CV%2CCTS%7CVsport%2CCTS%7CVsport%2BPremium%2CCTS%7CVsport%2BPremium%2BLuxury&listingTypes=USED%2CCERTIFIED&startYear=1981&numRecords=25&firstRecord=0&endYear=2019&modelCodeList=CTS&makeCodeList=CAD&searchRadius=50&clickType=spotlight

    Used 2010 Cadillac CTS in Kirkland, WA - 492572758 - 1

    Gotta say, it is nice and a lot of car for the price. 

    I see there is a 2014 CTS-V with 27,000 miles for $45,500 locally and so much more. 

    If I was in the market for a performance sedan, I agree, time to check the luxury CPO cars.

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    Interesting idea.  Given the fate of both the Pontiac G8 and the Chevy SS (may they both RIP), I am not sure Ford would actually build such a sports sedan.

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    9 hours ago, regfootball said:

    why not just get CTS-V or Vsport.  apart from only being RWD you can already get a kick ass sedan like that.  If you were to find a one year old Vsport it won't be that much more than a decked out mustang either.

    and it is true, maybe we are a point where the classic pony car (2 door rwd) could end up being usurped buy something with 4 doors and optional AWD.

    Not sure why you are talking about Cadillacs, since this is a thread about a hypothetical Ford product.  It could be also be a Lincoln or have a Lincoln variant.  Ford doesn’t have anything like this in NA or globally. 

    7 hours ago, riviera74 said:

    Interesting idea.  Given the fate of both the Pontiac G8 and the Chevy SS (may they both RIP), I am not sure Ford would actually build such a sports sedan.

    Speculatively,  there may be a market globally for such a car, whether a Ford or Lincoln.   It is interesting to consider a possible future Ford product that’s not another CUV.  It’s too bad the performance versions of the OZ Falcon weren’t available in NA, but they probably would have failed like the SS.  

    I doubt if anything will come if this, given Ford’s CUV and truck obsession.  But it is fun to speculate.  And I hate insomnia.   

    I do like the idea of sports sedans, whether serious German style like the ATS-v, CTS-v, M3/M5, AMG Mercs, etc or 'Murica!' muscle car style like the Charger variations.   That niche still exists, even in a world unfortunately dominated by trucks, SUVs and CUVs..

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    Ford has zero chance competing with an AMG or M car or any Cadillac.  Lincoln has positioned themselves as soft luxury with smooth ride, a performance  vehicle won’t fit their brand image.  Plus Lincoln can’t sell $45,000 Continentals, zero chance they can sell a $65k performance sedan.

    If Ford does this their path to victory it to price it like the Charger which does sell okay, and steal sales like crazy off the Charger/300 and put them out business and at that $30k price point you can also get people that would have bought a Fusion or Taurus.

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    11 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Does it though when Ford can't sell sedans that cost $20-30k?  

    A Mustang GT Premium is $39k, so I don't see why they can't do a V8 Sedan for $40k.  The Ecoboost 4 Mustangs are in the low $30s, seems like this sedan should live in the $30-40k range.  Really they should be modeling Dodge Charger pricing.

    They could for 40k and that's almost exactly like the Stinger. The TT3.3 starts at $39,100 and can be optioned to $49,900. 

    The value a car like this and the Stinger has over the German cars is size. They're priced similar to the 3 Series/C Class/4 but they're the size of the 5 Series/E Class/6.

    10 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

    Other than the Taurus SHO, Ford really doesn’t have much of a sport sedan history in the US.

    I know they're nothing overly special but they've had Fusion Sports for the last ~10 years. 

    10 hours ago, regfootball said:

    why not just get CTS-V or Vsport.  apart from only being RWD you can already get a kick ass sedan like that.  If you were to find a one year old Vsport it won't be that much more than a decked out mustang either.

    Somebody has to buy new cars in order for there to be a used market. CTS V-Sport is a 63k car to start. 

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    10 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

     

    I know they're nothing overly special but they've had Fusion Sports for the last ~10 years. 

     

    Those aren't V8 and RWD though...

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    3 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

    Those aren't V8 and RWD though...

    Is that a requirement for a sports sedan? The current SHO hasn't had a V8. 

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    39 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    Is that a requirement for a sports sedan? The current SHO hasn't had a V8. 

    True, but no one takes the SHO seriously, and it's a soon to be dead product.    I was thinking Charger SRT, Mercedes C/E AMGs, BMW M5, Cadillac V-series, etc...all RWD or RWD/AWD...6 or V8..

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    32 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

    True, but no one takes the SHO seriously.   I was thinking Charger SRT, Mercedes C/E AMGs, BMW M5, Cadillac V-series, etc...all RWD or RWD/AWD...

    they're taken plenty seriously when they're flashing red/blue in your rearview mirror. 

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    Yeah the SHO was pretty stout when it first came out and it's still a pretty damn quick car in a straight line. It only really got criticized for not being a corner carver. It's a sub 14.0 second car through the 1/4 and how many other cars are quicker than it? Ones that are either sports cars, muscle cars or German performance cars. 

    I've never liked it because I've never liked the bulky-look and the size of it. 

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    Anyway, who knows if anything will happen.  I am surprised Ford hasn't made some sort of sedan  (Ford or Lincoln) using the 15+ Mustang platform.  4, V6, V8 and RWD w/ IRS..seems like a good place to start for a sports sedan or luxury sports sedan...

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    Always like the SHO Yamaha engine that was in the first generation of the SHO. Very cool car. Just not enough space inside for me to be comfy.

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    • By Drew Dowdell
      Ford pulled the wraps off the 2020 Ford Mustang 2.3 Performance Package Mustang today ahead of the New York International Auto Show.  As we reported previously, the Mustang will get an upgraded 2.3 liter Ecoboost Turbocharged 4-Cylinder heavily borrowed from the now dead to the U.S. Ford Focus RS.  The new motor will produce 330 horsepower and 350 lb-ft of torque when fed with 93 octane fuel. The engine will produce 90% of peak torque between 2,500 rpm and 5,300 rpm a 40% broader torque band than the standard Ecoboost 4-cylinder. That performance is achieved with a larger turbo and some additional cooling capacity from a larger radiator.  Customers will be able to choose between a 10-speed automatic or a 6-speed Getrag manual transmission. 
      The new setup will allow the Mustang 2.3 Performance Package to run to 60 in the mid-4 second range and have a top speed of 155 mph.  Weight distribution is a near perfect 53/47 front to rear.  Stopping distance is shortened with the help of new 4-piston calipers and 13.9 inch front rotors. The suspension hardware is beefed up as well.  There is an active exhaust package as well.
      An additional available package adds special semi-metallic brakes, specially calibrated MagneRide shocks, a limited slip rear differential and wider wheels with Perelli PZero Corsa4 tires. This handling package is only available on the fastback coupe. 
      We will have more for you on the 2020 Ford Mustang 2.3 Performance Package from the New York Auto Show on April 17th.  It arrives in dealerships Fall of 2020.
      Ford Press Release on Page 2


      POWERED BY FORD PERFORMANCE: NEW HIGH PERFORMANCE PACKAGE FOR 2020 MUSTANG DELIVERS 330-HORSEPOWER AND GT HARDWARE
      2.3L High Performance Package provides entry-level Mustang buyers the first EcoBoost® engine powered by Ford Performance to deliver a projected 330 horsepower and 350 lb.-ft. of torque – the most powerful four-cylinder sports car offered by an American automaker Poised to attack at autocross, 2.3L High Performance Package adds Mustang GT brakes and Mustang GT Performance Package aerodynamics and suspension components to make it the highest-performing production four-cylinder Mustang ever Initially a passion project that began with a Focus RS engine swap, the High Performance Package became a green-lit production program to strengthen Mustang’s entry-level performance offering in under 10 months – just in time for Mustang’s 55th anniversary  
      DEARBORN, Mich., April 15, 2019 – Strengthening Ford’s performance reach for 2020 and just in time for the pony car’s 55th anniversary, the new 2.3L High Performance Package for the entry-level Mustang EcoBoost® creates the most powerful four-cylinder sports car offered by an American automaker. This is the result of a unique EcoBoost engine powered by Ford Performance and upgraded handling components from the Mustang GT Performance Package.
      “The Ford Performance Focus RS 2.3-liter engine is a high-revving marvel, and anyone who’s driven this EcoBoost engine instantly loves how quickly it responds and delivers power,” said Carl Widmann, Mustang chief engineer. “When our team got the chance to try this specially built engine in a Mustang, we immediately agreed, ‘We have to do this.’”
      Reminiscent of development of the original Mustang in 1964, the car began as a five-person skunkworks project in the Ford Performance garage. Following an experiment with a Focus RS engine swap, the Mustang team leveraged Ford’s quickening product development times to accelerate and complete the design-to-approval process for the 2.3L High Performance Package in under 10 months.
      Available on the entry-level Mustang EcoBoost fastback coupe or convertible models this fall, the Mustang EcoBoost package was developed to feel at home both on thrilling mountain and coastal roads and even on the most precise autocross courses thanks to its Mustang GT brakes, performance tires, and chassis and aerodynamics hardware from the Mustang GT Performance Package.
       
      Most powerful EcoBoost engine yet in a Mustang
      To make their project a reality, members of the Mustang team traveled to Valencia, Spain, home of the Ford Performance-tuned 2.3-liter engine, to convince plant management to build a new variant of the turbocharged four-cylinder specifically for Mustang. Then, with the Ford Performance-designed engine as a starting point, they tuned the EcoBoost to more broadly and responsively deliver a projected 330 horsepower and 350 lb.-ft. of torque achieved with premium fuel (per the SAE J1349 standard).
      Having secured production of the die-cast alloy block and high-performance cylinder head, the engineering team specified a 5 percent larger 63-millimeter twin-scroll turbo compressor and a larger radiator, then calibrated the engine to run both Ford’s 10-speed SelectShift® automatic and 6-speed Getrag manual transmission.
      The 2020 Mustang 2.3L High Performance Package is designed to run 0-60 in the mid-four-second range on premium fuel, with top speed increasing to 155 mph, a 10 mph gain over the 2019 EcoBoost Performance Package and 34 mph faster than the base EcoBoost Mustang.
      “It’s not just the horsepower gains over the standard 2.3-liter EcoBoost, it’s the broader torque curve that delivers 90 percent of peak torque between 2,500 and 5,300 rpm, which is 40 percent wider than the base EcoBoost engine,” said Widmann. “Plus, horsepower holds stronger up to the 6,500-rpm redline – enabling more usable power and torque for enthusiasts and weekend autocrossers to enjoy.”
      Helping to deliver 143 horsepower per liter, the new 2.3L High Performance Package includes a fully active quad-tip exhaust system with a signature tuned sound.
       
      Packed with enthusiast hardware
      The new 2020 2.3L High Performance Package feels sharp and nimble, with an aggressive road-holding stance, near-balanced 53/47 weight distribution and fully independent suspension, plus chassis and aerodynamic upgrades from the Mustang GT and its Performance Package.
      For greater steering precision, the team added an alloy strut tower brace to stiffen the chassis at the front. To improve stopping power and fade resistance, the 2.3L High Performance Package adds larger four-piston fixed calipers with 13.9-inch front rotors from Mustang GT. It features a 32-millimeter sway bar up front and a tubular 21.7-millimeter bar at the rear.
      New performance calibration tuning is applied to the electronic-controlled power steering, antilock braking, stability control and five driver-selectable drive modes. For improved cornering, a 3.55:1 limited-slip rear axle is included, plus package-specific 19x9-inch machined-face aluminum wheels and 255/40R summer tires.
      For an aggressive look, the new EcoBoost 2.3L High Performance Package includes a large black front splitter and belly pan, plus brake cooling ramps from the Mustang GT Performance Package – add-ons that also work to reduce front-end lift and improve brake cooling. A blacked-out grille with offset Mustang tri-bar pony emblem, 2.3L High Performance Package side badges and magnetic gray side mirrors and raised blade rear spoiler add to the performance look, while a unique metallic gray stripe crosses the hood.
      An engine-spun aluminum instrument panel with oil pressure and turbo boost gauges, plus a serialized dash plaque highlight the interior.
       
      New EcoBoost Handling Package
      Increasing lateral acceleration grip and stopping power, the available EcoBoost Handling Package includes semi-metallic brakes, specially calibrated MagneRide® dampers and a TORSEN® 3.55:1 limited-slip rear axle. Wider 19x9.5-inch premium painted aluminum wheels with 265/40R Pirelli P Zero™ Corsa4 summer tires provide traction, while a 24-millimeter solid rear sway bar, up from 21.7 millimeters, improves handling balance.
      The new EcoBoost Handling Package is available exclusively on the 2020 Mustang EcoBoost fastback coupe with the 2.3L High Performance Package with either 6-speed manual or 10-speed automatic transmission.
       
      New smart technology, colors and more for 2020
      FordPass Connect™, now standard on Mustang for 2020, allows owners to interact with their vehicles via a smartphone. Using FordPass Connect’s phone application, owners can locate their parked car, lock and unlock it, and check vehicle status, such as fuel, oil levels and maintenance alerts. For automatic transmission-equipped Mustang models, the system has a remote start feature. The availability of these features varies by market.
      Available SYNC® 3 with AppLink™ adds enhanced voice recognition communications, 911 Assist and two smart-charging USB ports.
      Four new Mustang colors for 2020 include Grabber Lime, Iconic Silver, Red Hot Metallic Tinted Clearcoat and Twister Orange. New 17-inch sparkle silver-painted aluminum wheels now come standard on the base 2020 Mustang EcoBoost.
      The 2020 Ford Mustang with 2.3L High Performance Package arrives at dealerships this fall.
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