Rumorpile: Next Commodore To Become Front-Wheel Drive

Wonder what platform... but as a 2018 model, it may be one that isn't even in existence yet.

But still, why wouldn't they use Alpha?

>""It's the only way to bring customers back to sedans"<<

wha?? Sedans are 90% of the non-SUV market, globally speaking. What decade is this guy in?

Epsilon II, I would assume...

In 2018? I think not. We've already seen the last new Epsilon II cars I think (the Impala and refreshed Buicks).

In 2018? I think not. We've already seen the last new Epsilon II cars I think (the Impala and refreshed Buicks).

Epsilon III, then....

If you think about it, the oldest Epsilon II car out there is now the XTS.

If you think about it, the oldest Epsilon II car out there is now the XTS.

Hmmm...isn't the LaCrosse the oldest LWB Epsilon II..and the Insignia/Regal is the oldest SWB Epsilon II. (not considering recent trivial MCEs, the current generation of LaCrosse dates to '10 and the Insignia/Regal '08 IIRC).

I was considering the recent MCEs... they really aren't trivial. The interiors are pretty much all new, the exteriors are all new, Regal gained AWD, dropped the base 2.4 and gained the 2.0T as the standard engine.

I was considering the recent MCEs... they really aren't trivial. The interiors are pretty much all new, the exteriors are all new, Regal gained AWD, dropped the base 2.4 and gained the 2.0T as the standard engine.

Really? I wouldn't consider the recent exterior changes to the Regal, LaCrosse and Malibu to be 'all new'...just minor changes to the fascias, grilles, light clusters.

I'll amend that to be "mostly new" on the exteriors. I think the doors carry over. The hoods are different, along with the front fascia.

'all new' is just such an overused marketing BS term...rarely are cars truly 'all new'...

I'm driving a 2014 Regal this week... and while the "all-new" or "mostly-new" definitions may be debated, Buick really has upped their game with this car... even over the last one.

It's a shame that no one will buy it though.

I haven't looked at the sales numbers, but I rarely ever see a Regal on the road, which is unfortunate...one of GM's best looking cars IMO...love the shape.

maybe GM will take the chance to sink massive resources into a brand spanking new platform for global use across mega many models.

This is terrible news. Really... a FWD Commodore? Baffling.

This is terrible news. Really... a FWD Commodore? Baffling.

Australians have given up...the Commodore is only 4th in sales last year, they mostly buy FWD appliances like Americans do, and some Japanese trucks.

1. Mazda3 - 44,128

2. Toyota HiLux - 40,646

3. Toyota Corolla - 38,799

4. Holden Commodore - 30,532

5. Holden Cruze - 29,161

6. Hyundai i30 - 28,348

7. Toyota Camry - 27,230

8. Nissan Navara - 26,045

9. Toyota Yaris - 18,808

10. Ford Focus - 18,586

The Falcon isn't even on the list. Blimey.

The Falcon isn't even on the list. Blimey.

And that's the top ten vehicles, incl. trucks and CUVs/SUVs...in the cars only list, it's not there either..the Commodore is the only largish RWD model on the list--the rest are just FWD. One odd thing is I don't see any Honda or Nissan cars in the top 10.

1. Mazda3 - 44,128

2. Toyota Corolla - 38,799

3. Holden Commodore - 30,532

4. Holden Cruze - 29,161

5. Hyundai i30 - 28,348

6. Toyota Camry - 27,230

7. Toyota Yaris - 18,808

8. Ford Focus - 18,586

9. Mazda2 - 17,574

10. Volkswagen Golf - 17,289

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/4wds-lead-car-sales-to-record-highs-20130104-2c850.html#ixzz2njhjnXn2

This is terrible news. Really... a FWD Commodore? Baffling.

Australians have given up...the Commodore is only 4th in sales last year, they mostly buy FWD appliances like Americans do, and some Japanese trucks.

1. Mazda3 - 44,128

2. Toyota HiLux - 40,646

3. Toyota Corolla - 38,799

4. Holden Commodore - 30,532

5. Holden Cruze - 29,161

6. Hyundai i30 - 28,348

7. Toyota Camry - 27,230

8. Nissan Navara - 26,045

9. Toyota Yaris - 18,808

10. Ford Focus - 18,586

I have a friend who went to work for a tech company in Australia and just came home for the holidays. He says he pays double what we pay for gas and everything else is almost double if not triple. He was shocked to see some items like wine from there cheaper here than down under. The public is in a pull back to the cheapest and most fuel efficient auto's they can get. Only the true upper 1/3 of the population are buying performance Holdens that tend to guzzle gas.

From the sounds of things that Terry told me, it sounds like they are going through crazy prices and interest rates like we did in the 80's.

Sad, but a fact of life, their next so called full size sedan will probably be a re-badged Buick.

This is terrible news. Really... a FWD Commodore? Baffling.

Australians have given up...the Commodore is only 4th in sales last year, they mostly buy FWD appliances like Americans do, and some Japanese trucks.

1. Mazda3 - 44,128

2. Toyota HiLux - 40,646

3. Toyota Corolla - 38,799

4. Holden Commodore - 30,532

5. Holden Cruze - 29,161

6. Hyundai i30 - 28,348

7. Toyota Camry - 27,230

8. Nissan Navara - 26,045

9. Toyota Yaris - 18,808

10. Ford Focus - 18,586

I have a friend who went to work for a tech company in Australia and just came home for the holidays. He says he pays double what we pay for gas and everything else is almost double if not triple. He was shocked to see some items like wine from there cheaper here than down under. The public is in a pull back to the cheapest and most fuel efficient auto's they can get. Only the true upper 1/3 of the population are buying performance Holdens that tend to guzzle gas.

From the sounds of things that Terry told me, it sounds like they are going through crazy prices and interest rates like we did in the 80's.

Sad, but a fact of life, their next so called full size sedan will probably be a re-badged Buick.

Opel

This is terrible news. Really... a FWD Commodore? Baffling.

Australians have given up...the Commodore is only 4th in sales last year, they mostly buy FWD appliances like Americans do, and some Japanese trucks.

1. Mazda3 - 44,128

2. Toyota HiLux - 40,646

3. Toyota Corolla - 38,799

4. Holden Commodore - 30,532

5. Holden Cruze - 29,161

6. Hyundai i30 - 28,348

7. Toyota Camry - 27,230

8. Nissan Navara - 26,045

9. Toyota Yaris - 18,808

10. Ford Focus - 18,586

I have a friend who went to work for a tech company in Australia and just came home for the holidays. He says he pays double what we pay for gas and everything else is almost double if not triple. He was shocked to see some items like wine from there cheaper here than down under. The public is in a pull back to the cheapest and most fuel efficient auto's they can get. Only the true upper 1/3 of the population are buying performance Holdens that tend to guzzle gas.

From the sounds of things that Terry told me, it sounds like they are going through crazy prices and interest rates like we did in the 80's.

Sad, but a fact of life, their next so called full size sedan will probably be a re-badged Buick.

Opel

Buick, Opel..same difference..

This is terrible news. Really... a FWD Commodore? Baffling.

Australians have given up...the Commodore is only 4th in sales last year, they mostly buy FWD appliances like Americans do, and some Japanese trucks.

1. Mazda3 - 44,128

2. Toyota HiLux - 40,646

3. Toyota Corolla - 38,799

4. Holden Commodore - 30,532

5. Holden Cruze - 29,161

6. Hyundai i30 - 28,348

7. Toyota Camry - 27,230

8. Nissan Navara - 26,045

9. Toyota Yaris - 18,808

10. Ford Focus - 18,586

I have a friend who went to work for a tech company in Australia and just came home for the holidays. He says he pays double what we pay for gas and everything else is almost double if not triple. He was shocked to see some items like wine from there cheaper here than down under. The public is in a pull back to the cheapest and most fuel efficient auto's they can get. Only the true upper 1/3 of the population are buying performance Holdens that tend to guzzle gas.

From the sounds of things that Terry told me, it sounds like they are going through crazy prices and interest rates like we did in the 80's.

Sad, but a fact of life, their next so called full size sedan will probably be a re-badged Buick.

Opel

Buick, Opel..same difference..

No, not really. The small Buicks are Opel based, the large Buicks are Buicks. There is still the mid-sized crossover coming, most likely on an updated Theta platform and then there is the possibility of an Alpha coupe.

The way I see Holden strategy is that it will be a combination of EPIII and some Alpha car.

Let us be honest with only 50,000 odd units per annum, no platform will be sustainable at the current Commodore/Ute price, unless it is Chevroletdes Benz S-Class and charging every dime for an option. Also, it doesn't make sense to have a full operational plant at that volume. GM needed volume through utilizing that platform in US, but it bombed terribly and possibly GM never wanted to give it a full shot.

Business stand point, GM is right to get rid of manufacturing facility. It is the Aussie RWD gurus who created the excellent Zeta that need to be retained through a satellite design studio at any cost.

I'm driving a 2014 Regal this week... and while the "all-new" or "mostly-new" definitions may be debated, Buick really has upped their game with this car... even over the last one.

It's a shame that no one will buy it though.

really want to hear your impressions on the 14 Regal. I always wanted a Regal, now with all the upgrades and the available AWD, it's damn hard to choose between the Regal and ATS if I had dough and was buying today!

Sickening, all of it.

Stop it stop it now.

Let the rest of the facts get in the way before anyone gets their panties in a bunch.

There is a lot to come yet they have not spoke of yet. Still watch for a Alpha sedan from here and possibly a Monaro based Camaro make a trip south from Michigan.

The SS is not dead and will be replaced in 2016 as a 2017 hmmm just when the Zeta sedan dies, coincident?

Watch NASCAR as Chevy will prepare a new racer for approval there and we will see our first clues there.

You guys are going to be happy when all is announce for Chevy and Buick. Well most of you will be happy some just will never be satisfied here. LOL!