Jump to content
Create New...
  • 🚗 Your People Are Here. Get In.

    The internet is full of car content. This is the community.

    Cheers & Gears has been bringing enthusiasts together since 2001. Join the conversation, show off your garage, and find your people.

  • William Maley
    William Maley

    V12s To Disappear From AMG's Lineup

      Still will be used in Maybach models

    The days of high-performance V12s sitting under the hood of AMG models is coming to an end.

    Speaking with Automotive News at the New York Auto Show, Mercedes-AMG CEO Tobias Moers said the brand would stop selling V12 models once it phases out the 65 line that uses them.

    "There is still demand for a V-12, but if you move forward with a V-12 in the future, the investment will be too high, in my perspective. You have to increase power, and you have to move forward with the technology in that engine. We'd better invest our money into electrified V-8 vehicles," said Moers.

    The current 6.0L V12 is still capable for future models explained Moers, but not for the high outputs AMG is looking for.

    The phaseout of the 65 lineup has already started with the last-generation G65. Back in October, AMG announced the G65 Final Edition, marking the end of a V12 option for the boxy SUV. The next-generation S and SL-Class will also drop their 65 models in the next-generation.

    That doesn't mean V12s will be disappearing from other Mercedes-Benz models. The Maybach subbrand is expected to continue offering a V12 option.

    Source: Automotive News (Subscription Required)

    User Feedback

    Recommended Comments

    I am willing to bet that they will push a detuned V12 on the Maybach and have a better performing turbo V8 with Electric assist that they will point at in justifying sales numbers and killing the V12 for the Maybach also. Just a matter of making it look bad on each and every line of auto. No different than any other auto company.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    I suspect that the real reason has to do with the cost of a V12 vs. that of a turbo V8.  MPG can also be a factor.  I remember a car salesman asking me years ago whether I wanted cylinders or horsepower.  Almost no one would go for more cylinders when HP and torque are what you really need in an engine.

    The real tragedy is the near disappearance of the V6 in anything other than trucks, luxury cars and some (luxury and common) CUVs, with few found elsewhere.

    • Like 1
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Sounds like the Maybach S-class will continue with the 621 hp V12 it has now, which maybe makes sense for one more generation of S-class to have that huge torque available without needed to rev up an engine or use electric boost. 

    AMG doesn't need the V12 is it huge and heavy, and they already have figured out how to combine electric motors with the 4.0 liter V8, they can get 800 hp with that.   Hybrid performance is the future.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    HA - my V8 is larger than MB's V-12. Actually- 3 out of 4 of my V8s are larger.

    But what I am curious about is; if MB's cache' was having that rare V-12 option available, something that showered all sorts of warm fuzzy good mojo down on the $86K s-class, how's it going to work out for future customers once it's gone? Now the top sedan is just another 8- 6- (and soon to be 4-) cylinder sedan in a sea of them.

    - - - - -
    I remember decades ago when I learned about Jaguar's 1960's V-12 in the E-Type.
    I may have laughed out loud when I found out it was a measly 326 CI (IIRC).

    Edited by balthazar
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    16 hours ago, balthazar said:

    HA - my V8 is larger than MB's V-12. Actually- 3 out of 4 of my V8s are larger.

    But what I am curious about is; if MB's cache' was having that rare V-12 option available, something that showered all sorts of warm fuzzy good mojo down on the $86K s-class, how's it going to work out for future customers once it's gone? Now the top sedan is just another 8- 6- (and soon to be 4-) cylinder sedan in a sea of them.

    - - - - -
    I remember decades ago when I learned about Jaguar's 1960's V-12 in the E-Type.
    I may have laughed out loud when I found out it was a measly 326 CI (IIRC).

    One more generation of the V12 in the Maybach S650 gets them to about 2027, if it goes that far, I could see it being gone after 2024 due to all the environmental stuff.  But post 2025 how many V12s will be left anyway?  Maybe the Phantom or top end Ferrari, which are like $400,000+ cars.

    Mercedes can replace the V12 with electric or hybrid power, and have more power, more refinement, more technology, etc.  The V12 served its purpose since 1991, they are going to get 30+ years out of it, but new technology comes along.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites



    Join the conversation

    You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
    Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

    Guest
    Add a comment...

    ×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

      Only 75 emoji are allowed.

    ×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

    ×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

    ×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.




  • Support Independent Automotive Journalism

    25 years of honest automotive coverage — because someone has to do it.

    Cheers & Gears has never been filtered by manufacturer relationships or driven by algorithm. Just real people, real opinions, and a genuine love of cars. Subscribers keep the lights on and get an ad-light experience starting at $2.25/month.*

    View subscription options

    *A small number of ads feature member-exclusive coupon deals and will still appear.

  • Similar Content

  • Posts

    • Found this and have to say it is very cool, just wish it was an EV. https://carsandbids.com/auctions/rxLZo47B/1984-chevrolet-el-camino-gnx-conversion
    • The market for all coupes is stale. But this has outsold the Miata some months 
    • So as I mentioned in my Has it really been 25 years? post, I have an app I've been building.  It's called Apartmatic.  It is occupant first property management software.  What does that mean? Most property management software is geared to landlords and property managers that manage several to many units.  This software can do that of course, but what it also does is lets occupants manage their home maintenance, warranties for things they've purchased, keep receipts and other important documentation, keep track of repairs, and more.  You can scan the serial number barcode of your fridge into the software and it will look up the make and model for you AND look up parts like water filters, seals, shelves, handles and more.  It will give you the default manufacturer's recommended service interval for maintenance parts like filters, cleanouts, and more.  It will remind you when it's time to order parts and send you links to shopping sites that have them in stock.   You can use it to maintain ANYTHING in your home.  Have a slate roof? Those need service every so many years. Enter your favorite roofer's information in and it will give you a reminder and ask when you want to send the e-mail to schedule the service.  You can enter all your service vendors in.  Same goes for insurance. Track your insurance plans, extended warranties, keep an inventory of major purchases, have scans of the receipts, all stored in the app in case something happens. If you're a property manager, even more things become automatic. It can use prediction to warn you of when an appliance is nearing end of life.  It can automatically route issues to preferred vendors.  You can put jobs out to multiple vendors for bid and so much more. There is an entire listing to leasing to move-in workflow. Full payment and financial system, tax reporting, P&L reporting, unit turnover automation, and more. I've been building this thing from scratch, out of spite and frustration. No investors, just me being stubborn. If you want to help me out, sign up for the beta at https://www.apartmatic.com/beta and I'll send you the invite link as soon as it's open. It's free and always will be at the Home level. I don't need "looks great!", I need "this is confusing" and "why can't I do X" and "I clicked this and it broke."
    • Awesome change coming, so excited for C&G!!! Thank you Drew  
  • Who's Online (See full list)

  • My Clubs

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.

Hey there, we noticed you're using an ad-blocker. We're a small site that is supported by ads or subscriptions. We rely on these to pay for server costs and vehicle reviews.  Please consider whitelisting us in your ad-blocker, or if you really like what you see, you can pick up one of our subscriptions for just $1.75 a month or $15 a year. It may not seem like a lot, but it goes a long way to help support real, honest content, that isn't generated by an AI bot.

See you out there.

Drew
Editor-in-Chief

Write what you are looking for and press enter or click the search icon to begin your search