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    Nissan Titan XD Loses Diesel and Single Cab

      ...early cuts for next year...

    A little over a week ago we told you that Nissan was going to start cutting parts of its model lineup.  Some of the low hanging fruit for Nissan are the variants of the Nissan Titan. Nissan Titan sales are down 22.6 percent, selling only 18,026 copies in the first half of 2019.

    The biggest news is that Nissan will be killing off the Cummins diesel option for the Titan XD. The 5 liter turbocharged  V8 produces 310 horsepower and 555 lb-ft of torque.  For 2020, the Titan XD will be powered solely by the 5.6 liter gasoline V8 unless Nissan has a card up their sleeve to offer something else.

    Also going away will be the standard cab variants of the Titan and Titan XD, leaving just the extended cab and crew cab in the lineup.

    For 2020, the truck will be receiving a light refresh. The exterior is getting a face lift and the interior is lightly updated plus gaining a new infotainment system with a larger screen. 

    We reviewed the 2016 Nissan Titan XD with the Cummins diesel back in May 2016 and came away impressed but confused by its place in the market. Take a read to find out why. 

    Edited by Drew Dowdell

    Source: Autoblog
    Image: William Maley



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    It would be pretty awesome if Ram could steal that engine and have either an entry level diesel in their HD or a premium engine in their 1500. 

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    1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

    It would be pretty awesome if Ram could steal that engine and have either an entry level diesel in their HD or a premium engine in their 1500. 

    The diesel was originally designed for Ram in the first place.   The problem is, it tends to be thirsty in the Titan XD, but part of that could just be because the Titan XD weighs so much relative to other trucks its size and capability. 

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    2 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    The diesel was originally designed for Ram in the first place.   The problem is, it tends to be thirsty in the Titan XD, but part of that could just be because the Titan XD weighs so much relative to other trucks its size and capability. 

    Exactly! It's got a home waiting for it over at Ram..

    Thirsty but it also isn't the tiny diesels like the 3.0's. This one could do serious work and still get adequate fuel economy. 

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    Neither Nissan nor Toyota have a place in the truck market.  Maybe Nissan will wisely leave the truck space here for the domestics.

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    A friend of mine purchased a titan diesel when they came out and negotiated a return the next day when he found out the diesel wasn’t compatible with the oft mandated biodiesel specs some states are pushing.  Nissan May or may not have reengineered things to correct those faults. So the diesel got off on the wrong foot to begin with. 

    The other problem titan is having is the truck shakes / shimmies badly due to chassis design. And it’s evidently a problem tough to fix and a lot of owners have returned their trucks because of it. 

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    4 minutes ago, regfootball said:

    A friend of mine purchased a titan diesel when they came out and negotiated a return the next day when he found out the diesel wasn’t compatible with the oft mandated biodiesel specs some states are pushing.  Nissan May or may not have reengineered things to correct those faults. So the diesel got off on the wrong foot to begin with. 

    That would have been Cummins' job. 

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    Not wanting to nitpick, but: "Also going away will be the standard cab variants of the Titan and Titan XD, leaving just the standard cab and quad cab in the lineup."
     

    Is the standard cab in or out?  Did you mean Single cab?  And what is their 'standard' cab configuration?  I'm so confoozed! ;) 

    Sad to see their Cummins engine go though.  I thought that was the one thing that could help them break out in the market.  Now, they're just another truck company with an oversized payload capacity for what people actually use, and a thirsty gas engine to move it.

    As FCA already has their own in-house diesel for the Ram and Jeep, I can't see them doing anything with this Cummins.

     

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    No surprise here, the two base cab designs will keep things going but I could see them just kill this in 2 to 3 years depending on their contract obligations.

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    5 hours ago, dfelt said:

    No surprise here, the two base cab designs will keep things going but I could see them just hill this in 2 to 3 years depending on their contract obligations.

    Again, why does Nissan build trucks nobody is willing to buy?  Especially when the Silverado/Sierra twins beckon . . . . .

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    12 hours ago, riviera74 said:

    Again, why does Nissan build trucks nobody is willing to buy?  Especially when the Silverado/Sierra twins beckon . . . . .

    True, but they are failing to sell due to the butt ugly face on them and the less impressive interiors. After all they dropped to #3, clearly the public is not impressed either.

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    21 hours ago, Miradart said:

    Not wanting to nitpick, but: "Also going away will be the standard cab variants of the Titan and Titan XD, leaving just the standard cab and quad cab in the lineup."
     

    Is the standard cab in or out?  Did you mean Single cab?  And what is their 'standard' cab configuration?  I'm so confoozed! ;) 

    Sad to see their Cummins engine go though.  I thought that was the one thing that could help them break out in the market.  Now, they're just another truck company with an oversized payload capacity for what people actually use, and a thirsty gas engine to move it.

    As FCA already has their own in-house diesel for the Ram and Jeep, I can't see them doing anything with this Cummins.

     

    Doh! You got me.  The extended cab and crew cab are staying. 

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    That 5.6 V8 is super old.  The Titan needs more engine options, not less.  They also needs newer engines, not only is that V8 old, but those VQ V6's in most of the Nissan/Infiniti cars are from 10-15 years ago.

    The Titan as it is needs to be a price leader, it needs a $5,000 price cut to get to a $28k base price for a King Cab model.   They should undercut every F150 model by $5k.

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    1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

    That 5.6 V8 is super old.  The Titan needs more engine options, not less.  They also needs newer engines, not only is that V8 old, but those VQ V6's in most of the Nissan/Infiniti cars are from 10-15 years ago.

    The Titan as it is needs to be a price leader, it needs a $5,000 price cut to get to a $28k base price for a King Cab model.   They should undercut every F150 model by $5k.

    Nissan should but I doubt they will do just that.

    As for the Silverado/Sierra twins, they could stand a mid-cycle upgrade of their interiors.  As for the face, I partially agree with the Silverado, the Sierra less so.  However, truck buyers disagree so both issues need to be addressed sooner rather than later.

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    2 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Nissan has a 3.0 liter twin turbo they could use. 400 HP and 350 lb-ft of torque from 1600 - 5200 rpm

    Right and a 3 liter engine would get better mileage than a 5.7 liter.

    My car’s V8 basically has the same power/torque output of the 2020 Titan but my car is a 2008.  Nissan shouldn’t be selling 2008 power in 2020 unless they are selling at huge discounts.

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    Truck engines are built much more for reliability and real work than any other engine in vehicles.

    Look/listen/read what engineers talk about when talking about engines that are in both trucks and cars(2.3 Ford, 2.7 Ford, 3.5 Ford, 6.2 GM, etc.). They talk about that in the new 7.3 Ford as well even though it isn't a shared engine. 

    The buyers demand different characteristics and uses from them.

    7 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Right and a 3 liter engine would get better mileage than a 5.7 liter.

    My car’s V8 basically has the same power/torque output of the 2020 Titan but my car is a 2008.  Nissan shouldn’t be selling 2008 power in 2020 unless they are selling at huge discounts.

    What's 2020 power? 400/420? That's not all that significant.

    I would say it should be more efficient rather than more powerful. 

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    The power of the Titan is fine, but it is about 4 mpg behind the F150.   15/21 on the Titan isn't very good when Chevy has a 30 mpg Silverado.  

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    The XD was/is a solution to a problem nobody had. Both the Titan and Frontier need a complete overhaul to make them competitive with today's offerings.  

    Withth so many people getting *luxury trucks Nissan could at least dig into the Infiniti parts bin to make the interior more pleasant. It would at least be something. 

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    1 hour ago, Scout said:

    The XD was/is a solution to a problem nobody had. Both the Titan and Frontier need a complete overhaul to make them competitive with today's offerings.  

    Withth so many people getting *luxury trucks Nissan could at least dig into the Infiniti parts bin to make the interior more pleasant. It would at least be something. 

    For luxury trucks, Infiniti barely cuts the mustard.  Their infotainment system belongs in 2012, not 2020.  Moreover, truck buyers are far more brand loyal than car buyers ever were.  This is why Nissan fails and why FORD is#1 in pickup trucks.

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    20 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

    For luxury trucks, Infiniti barely cuts the mustard.  Their infotainment system belongs in 2012, not 2020.  Moreover, truck buyers are far more brand loyal than car buyers ever were.  This is why Nissan fails and why FORD is#1 in pickup trucks.

    Are ya sure you want to be that nice about 2012 and not maybe 2002? ;) :P 

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    4 hours ago, dfelt said:

    Are ya sure you want to be that nice about 2012 and not maybe 2002? ;) :P 

    Infotainment systems barely existed prior to 2009, so 2012 makes a lot more sense.  Besides, Nissan/Infiniti needs to borrow Audi's MMI (that is about to be replaced) in order to be competitive again.

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      Brand Loyalty to the American brands Using a modified Titan platform for the larger vans comprised them in urban areas with their extended front nose, and cargo capacity. "A third of the vehicle is dedicated to the engine and passenger compartment instead of cargo. The van takes up more real estate for the same amount of cargo space," explained Sam Fiorani, vice president at AutoForecast Solutions. NV200 Taxis were dinged by taxi companies poor ride quality, difficulty entering/exiting the van for elderly passengers, and increasing maintenance costs. Proved to a be a difficult sale to fleet buyers due to the automaker lacking the numerous combinations of light-trucks that the Detroit three can offer. Trucks and vans work hand in hand to attract sales in the commercial market. "Chevrolet and Ford can be everything to everybody," said Tyler Slade, operating partner at Tim Dahle Nissan Southtowne in Salt Lake City. "When we went to some of these fleet companies, it didn't make sense for them to have trucks from Ford and vans from Nissan." Add in $2.8 billion in cuts that the company is planning to stay afloat and COVID-19, and the death knell was coming sooner than later for the NV family.
      If Nissan does go forward with dropping the NV family, this will be a major blow to about a forth of Nissan dealers in the U.S. They made various investments such as installing heavy-duty lifts capable of lifting fully-loaded vans and having a dedicated sales staff to handle specific fleet issues.
      "Dealers now have serious concerns about their investments in commercial vehicles," said Slade.
      There is also the question as to whether Nissan may try again. Automotive News notes that in the new business strategy outlined last month, Nissan is wanting more global cooperation with its alliance partner Renault. The French automaker already has a number of vans in its lineup and is quite successful in various markets. Nissan already sells a version of the Renault Traffic, called the NV300 in Europe.
      But getting a Renault van into the U.S. as a Nissan will be difficult and costly in terms of homologation. Also, Nissan would still need to figure out how to appeal to larger fleet buyers that go with Ford or GM.
      Source: Automotive News (Subscription Required), The Drive
      Pic Credit: William Maley for Cheers & Gears

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    • By William Maley
      Nearly a decade ago, Nissan launched an ambitious assault on the U.S. commercial van market with the launch of their NV vans. It started with the Titan-dervived, body-on-frame NV1500/2500/3500 vans. This was followed by the unibody NV200 van, which was for a time the "Taxi of Tommorow" in New York City. But Nissan is reportedly throwing in the towel.
      Automotive News has learned from a source that it will end production of their commercial vans. No time frame was given.
      "We don't want to go more in the business of vans in the U.S. We will exit," said the source.
      Nissan spokesman Brian Brockman declined to comment about the future of the commercial vans, only saying in a statement that the automaker " is considering a number of opportunities to streamline the product portfolio and drive efficiencies within our manufacturing operations."
      When the NV lineup was launched in 2009, Nissan was hoping to steal away sales from the Detroit Three. At the time, Ford and GM had 97 percent of the large van segment. The NV was positioned as being a more modern option compared to the Ford E-Series and Chevrolet Express/GMC Savana. It was more comfortable with adjustable seats, taller ceiling for easier access to the cargo area, and pre-drilled holes in the body to allow owners to add interior racks easily. But Nissan wasn't able to make decent inroads into this market, only achieving around an eight percent share in the marketplace.
      What was the NV's downfall?
      Brand Loyalty to the American brands Using a modified Titan platform for the larger vans comprised them in urban areas with their extended front nose, and cargo capacity. "A third of the vehicle is dedicated to the engine and passenger compartment instead of cargo. The van takes up more real estate for the same amount of cargo space," explained Sam Fiorani, vice president at AutoForecast Solutions. NV200 Taxis were dinged by taxi companies poor ride quality, difficulty entering/exiting the van for elderly passengers, and increasing maintenance costs. Proved to a be a difficult sale to fleet buyers due to the automaker lacking the numerous combinations of light-trucks that the Detroit three can offer. Trucks and vans work hand in hand to attract sales in the commercial market. "Chevrolet and Ford can be everything to everybody," said Tyler Slade, operating partner at Tim Dahle Nissan Southtowne in Salt Lake City. "When we went to some of these fleet companies, it didn't make sense for them to have trucks from Ford and vans from Nissan." Add in $2.8 billion in cuts that the company is planning to stay afloat and COVID-19, and the death knell was coming sooner than later for the NV family.
      If Nissan does go forward with dropping the NV family, this will be a major blow to about a forth of Nissan dealers in the U.S. They made various investments such as installing heavy-duty lifts capable of lifting fully-loaded vans and having a dedicated sales staff to handle specific fleet issues.
      "Dealers now have serious concerns about their investments in commercial vehicles," said Slade.
      There is also the question as to whether Nissan may try again. Automotive News notes that in the new business strategy outlined last month, Nissan is wanting more global cooperation with its alliance partner Renault. The French automaker already has a number of vans in its lineup and is quite successful in various markets. Nissan already sells a version of the Renault Traffic, called the NV300 in Europe.
      But getting a Renault van into the U.S. as a Nissan will be difficult and costly in terms of homologation. Also, Nissan would still need to figure out how to appeal to larger fleet buyers that go with Ford or GM.
      Source: Automotive News (Subscription Required), The Drive
      Pic Credit: William Maley for Cheers & Gears
    • By William Maley
      Nissan isn't quite ready to show off the next-generation Frontier, but they have decided to drop the new engine and transmission destined for the new model into the outgoing Frontier.
      Revealed on the eve of the Chicago Auto Show yesterday, the new 3.8L V6 produces 310 horsepower and 281 pound-feet of torque - an increase of 49 hp over the outgoing 4.0L V6, but torque remains the same. This is paired with a nine-speed automatic that is similar to the one used in the recently refreshed Titan. The introduction of this new powertain does mean the base 2.5L four-cylinder and manual transmission have been dropped for 2020.
      Why is Nissan releasing this new powertrain in a model that is destined to be replaced in a year's time? Most likely Nissan sees it as a way to get some real-world mileage before being dropped into the next-generation Frontier.
      Nissan is also giving all 2020 Frontiers push-button start, power windows and locks; and tilt-telescoping steering wheel. 
      Source: Nissan
      Press Release is on Page 2


      2020 Nissan Frontier debuts with ‘heart of the next-generation Frontier’
      All-new 3.8-liter direct injection V6 engine, 9-speed transmission help set the stage for all-new truck to come next year CHICAGO – As one successful era ends, another is just beginning in the heart of the 2020 Nissan Frontier.
      At a media reception tonight, Nissan revealed the 2020 Frontier which features an all-new, powerful 3.8-liter direct injection V6 engine and all-new 9-speed automatic transmission – both of which will be key elements in the next-generation, all-new Frontier coming soon.
      The 2020 Frontier, which marks the last model year of the current generation, will feature best-in-class horsepower1 while also providing improved fuel economy and emissions performance. It will go on sale in spring 2020.
      Helping celebrate the transition to the next-generation Frontier was Brian Murphy and his 2007 Frontier, which just last week crossed the 1 million mile mark – a true testament to the durability and reliability of the Nissan Frontier.
      "The 2020 Frontier lays the groundwork for the exciting, next-generation Frontier – an all-new pickup truck slated to arrive soon," said Tiago Castro, director, Commercial Vehicle Business Unit, Nissan North America, Inc. "While looking ahead, we're also celebrating our strong heritage – including the innovations, versatility and reliability of past models, such as the 2007 Frontier that Chicago resident Brian Murphy has driven for more than one million miles."
      2020 Nissan Frontier
      The 2020 Frontier, with its standard 3.8-liter V6 and 9-speed automatic transmission, focuses on the needs and demands of truck owners in the U.S. Nissan's all-new engine is using 93 percent new or redesigned parts, and the powerplant underwent extensive testing in North America. The engine will be assembled at Nissan's advanced engine facility in Decherd, Tenn., next to the full-size TITAN pickup's 5.6-liter Endurance® V8.
      Along with the 49-horsepower improvement over the previous Frontier V6, fuel economy is expected to increase2. Also contributing to the 2020 Frontier's improved acceleration and fuel economy is the all-new 9-speed automatic transmission designed to maximize powertrain efficiency and provide an enhanced acceleration feel.
      "From its roots tracing back more than 60 years, to the current model, Frontier has had a lasting impact on the compact and mid-size truck segments in North America. As Nissan transitions to the next chapter, we celebrate both a proud past and a bright future with the heart of the next Frontier," added Castro.
      The "Million-Mile" 2007 Frontier
      Chicagoland delivery man Brian Murphy bought his two-wheel-drive, 4-cylinder 5-speed manual Frontier King Cab pickup in June 2007 with one goal: to put 1 million miles on it3. The red Frontier passed the million-mile mark on January 27, 2020.
      According to Murphy, the original clutch lasted 801,000 miles, the timing chain was replaced as a preventative measure at 700,000 miles, and the radiator and alternator lasted about 450,000 miles each. Even the driver's seat lasted a half-million miles but has also been replaced. 
      To celebrate Murphy's incredible accomplishment and loyalty, Nissan announced it would give Murphy a new Frontier once the 2020 model begins production later this year. 
      "I never imagined I'd be given a new truck, especially since my Frontier is still running strong. It will be a real treat to have an efficient V6 engine, but I guess I'll have to find another way to exercise now that I'll have an automatic transmission and power windows," said Murphy. 
      For regular maintenance, the truck has been serviced at M'Lady Nissan in Crystal Lake, Illinois, the same dealership where Murphy purchased the vehicle new in June 2007. Murphy insists on doing his own oil changes every 10,000 miles.

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