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1. The power running borads on the Escalade are AWSOME.

2. White Diamond is STILL the best color for a Cadillac.

3. the GMT-900s 22" wheels make the disk brakes looks small.

4. Interior wise, there is NO doubt in my mind Cadillac deserves an A+

5. 2008 STS looks great, & the 2005-2007 has aged well.

6. The DTS needs to be replaced... like yesterday.

7. I hope the rumors of the SRX's demise are wrong!

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1. The power running borads on the Escalade are AWSOME.

2. White Diamond is STILL the best color for a Cadillac.

3. the GMT-900s 22" wheels make the disk brakes looks small.

4. Interior wise, there is NO doubt in my mind Cadillac deserves an A+

5. 2008 STS looks great, & the 2005-2007 has aged well.

6. The DTS needs to be replaced... like yesterday.

7. I hope the rumors of the SRX's demise are wrong!

I agree with numbers 1, 2, 3, 6 and 7--with the caveat to number 6 being that a totally new high-level, full-sized model replace the current car. As for numbers 4--I think there is still some room for improvement, but overall, they do deserve an "A" (e.g. especially better color selections, including some very light leathers) and for number 5--I have never liked the STS (which softened the A&S themes too much, making it too nebulous or boring), and for the 2008 MCE, they did not do enough with improvements (e.g. the front quarters have the turn indicator, the air duct and the 'GM' badge--all separate)! I can hardly wait until Cadillac offers a new Coupe model--it will likely be stunning if based on the next generation CTS!

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I agree with numbers 1, 2, 3, 6 and 7--with the caveat to number 6 being that a totally new high-level, full-sized model replace the current car. As for numbers 4--I think there is still some room for improvement, but overall, they do deserve an "A" (e.g. especially better color selections, including some very light leathers) and for number 5--I have never liked the STS (which softened the A&S themes too much, making it too nebulous or boring), and for the 2008 MCE, they did not do enough with improvements (e.g. the front quarters have the turn indicator, the air duct and the 'GM' badge--all separate)! I can hardly wait until Cadillac offers a new Coupe model--it will likely be stunning if based on the next generation CTS!

I agree on the coupe comment. The demise of the Eldorado is unfortunate when you see the Camry Solara is selling. Just goes to show you it's all about the product.

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Yeah... we need a modern day razorback!!!

It would work beautifuly in the A&S theme....

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DTS still outpaces the geriatric and funny Town Car.

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DTS still outpaces the geriatric and funny Town Car.

That's not saying much other than GM-speak for "it's good enough."

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My point was its a more relevant product than the Town Car. If it had a 6-speed, one couldn't complain. If it switches to Zeta, no one would dare complain.

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My point was its a more relevant product than the Town Car. If it had a 6-speed, one couldn't complain. If it switches to Zeta, no one would dare complain.

One couldn't complain? The LS 460 has an 8-speed right? Where's the leadership in a 6-speed in a flagship product?

My hope is they've forgone the revolutionary CHANGES to the DTS in favor of a total replacement of the product with at the very LEAST 6-speed and RWD. Even with this it's tough for me to see why it's revelant in a sea of products in the same market category. Why would I buy it over a 7, LS or S? THAT is the definition of relevance.

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I'd be happy with a freekin powerglide so long as the car is RWD....

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1. The power running borads on the Escalade are AWSOME.

2. White Diamond is STILL the best color for a Cadillac.

3. the GMT-900s 22" wheels make the disk brakes looks small.

4. Interior wise, there is NO doubt in my mind Cadillac deserves an A+

5. 2008 STS looks great, & the 2005-2007 has aged well.

6. The DTS needs to be replaced... like yesterday.

7. I hope the rumors of the SRX's demise are wrong!

Corrections:

2. For any car.

7. I'm pretty sure they are.

8. The new CTS looks absolutely amazing inside and out on the road (seen three already!).

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One couldn't complain? The LS 460 has an 8-speed right? Where's the leadership in a 6-speed in a flagship product?

My hope is they've forgone the revolutionary CHANGES to the DTS in favor of a total replacement of the product with at the very LEAST 6-speed and RWD. Even with this it's tough for me to see why it's revelant in a sea of products in the same market category. Why would I buy it over a 7, LS or S? THAT is the definition of relevance.

Well, sadly GM is selling Allison transmission.... I'm sure GM could have lifted a 36 speed out of a tractor trailer for use in the DTS....but really when does it stop?

10 speeds? There has to be a point where, in a passenger vehicle, you just don't need more than a certain number of gears before you just jump to CVT.

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I say 7 is as many as is necessary, IF that.

After six or seven it just becomes a pissing contest.

Fuel economy dependa on GVWR.... all those extra speeds add bulk/weight too!

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I say 7 is as many as is necessary, IF that.

After six or seven it just becomes a pissing contest.

Fuel economy dependa on GVWR.... all those extra speeds add bulk/weight too!

I can accept the argument that SOME number is enough... BUT.... GM needs to tell us and PROVE to us why! Why is 6 or 7 in a DTS as good as (or preferably better) than 8? This is where Cadillac was always the leader..... Remember when Lincoln had the 460 CI engine and Cadillac had the 472... and then the 500? You can't tell me these were any better/faster/quicker than the 460. It was just bragging rights... now obviously times have changed and luxury cars aren't all about bragging rights any more but you can't tell me any LS owner isn't going around telling his friends at the country club "it has an 8-speed transmission you know..." When you plunk down that kind of money on a car, you WANT to have something to brag to your friends about. There is nothing class-leading about the DTS. This is the problem Cadillac must overcome.

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It was just bragging rights... now obviously times have changed and luxury cars aren't all about bragging rights any more

the hell they're not!

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the hell they're not!

OK - correction - they're not about being the biggest or most displacement, etc.

There's always the bragging rights - after all, we're car guys. What else is there? :)

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If it switches to Zeta, no one would dare complain.

Pontiac Custom-S raises hand! Ummm, excuse me, but I have a complaint. :P

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Pontiac Custom-S raises hand! Ummm, excuse me, but I have a complaint. :P

There's always gotta be one in the crowd....

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Pontiac Custom-S raises hand! Ummm, excuse me, but I have a complaint. :P

GM could produce a fully working model of Christ himself and there would be someone complaining that the water to wine function only dispenses Merlot.

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GM could produce a fully working model of Christ himself and there would be someone complaining that the water to wine function only dispenses Merlot.

LMAO - (Well only if the Lex dispenses Merlot, Cabernet and Pinot Grigio.)

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Cadillac would sell primarily on design and secondly on affordability. Why spend $80k when you can get a car approaching that level of worth for $60k?

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Cadillac would sell primarily on design and secondly on affordability. Why spend $80k when you can get a car approaching that level of worth for $60k?

Sorry, gonna have to disagree there.

Cadillac should NEVER sell on affordability. That should be Buick's job.

Cadillac needs to be tier 1 again.... even if that means I can't afford one.

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...GM needs to tell us and PROVE to us why! Why is 6 or 7 in a DTS as good as (or preferably better) than 8? This is where Cadillac was always the leader..... Remember when Lincoln had the 460 CI engine and Cadillac had the 472... and then the 500? You can't tell me these were any better/faster/quicker than the 460. It was just bragging rights...

Of course, Cadillac never ran print ads with top-to-bottom numbers reading "472" or "500" like lexus is running print ads with a giant "8" on the page :P . In fact, Cadillac had only 1 print ad featuring the 472, and none featuring the 500... and the only model to get any engine ID badges were the '70-72 E's, even tho the E had the 500 thru '76 and the big cars ran it '75-76. And Cadillac didn't build a larger engine than Lincoln until '68, even tho dispalcements were rising steadily in the preceding decades (Cadillac: '49 : 331, '56 : 365, '59 : 390, '64 : 429). I don't see it being about that at all.

But yes, the 472/500 was a better engineered and performing engine than Lincoln's 460 (tighter tolerances, better longevity, better alloys, better power, better efficiency), but drag performance was never the purpose of these cars.

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The 472/500 motors beat the piss out of Lincoln's 460 all day long in every way!

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Cadillac would sell primarily on design and secondly on affordability. Why spend $80k when you can get a car approaching that level of worth for $60k?

Affordability (or compromises for the sake of affordability, within reasonable limits) should not be part of Cadillac.

Also, I hope you aren't saying the DTS "approaches" the "worth" of an LS. No one shopping for an LS will even consider a DTS. I'm not saying the DTS has no place at Cadillac (it does, as long as there's a market for it) -- just that it's nowhere near an LS, far less an S or a 7 or an A8.

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Well for starters no one would take those cars (BMW-7, Lex-LS, A8) seriously either if they were FWD.

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