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Bunnell: B-P-G may each add smaller vehicle

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To help GM meet new U.S. fuel-economy standards, Buick, Pontiac, and GMC may each add a new smaller vehicle.

According to Jan. 15, 2008 news reports, "Potential additions include a sedan shorter than the Buick LaCrosse, a crossover sport-utility vehicle more compact than the GMC Acadia and a Pontiac small car," said Jim Bunnell, general manager for the division that includes the three brands.

The U.S. regulations "have thrown everything on its head," Bunnell said. "We most likely will need smaller market entries to get in line."

For Buick, could this be the NG Chinese Excelle, due later this year? Have there been rumors that it will be re-named "Skylark"?

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Sounds good to me... just don't recreate the "rebadge" fiasco from the past... as Lutz said in previous statements, the 35mpg CAFE is not happening all at once, it's in phases. They don't need to rush cookie-cutter brand-eroding products into the dealerships. After all the work they've done and ground regained, please don't let them do this.

I look forward to learning more of the "Skylark" compact Buick for China. Hopefully it'll exceed expectations and be imported/manufactured here for the US market.

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Our local dealer said he would love to have a Skylark to sell to older customers who want a Buick but can't afford the LaX.

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Well, maybe this means Alpha for Pontiac after all, and I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that the Pontiac Torrent will become the GMC Terrain (hopefully a lot different than the rebadged VUE being sold in the Middle East).

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Our local dealer said he would love to have a Skylark to sell to older customers who want a Buick but can't afford the LaX.

If done tastefully, I'd consider one as a commuter and keep my Park Avenue a few more years (I only have 45k miles so far and she's a 2003) and then trade her in for a replacement in addition to having the Skylark.

Maybe/possibly we could just use the Skylark as a replacement for the Sebring? hmmm...

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Well, maybe this means Alpha for Pontiac after all

Or maybe it means either Pontiac G2 or Pontiac G3.

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Or maybe it means either Pontiac G2 or Pontiac G3.

G2.5

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G2.5

that looks like a mobile phone model: something like Motorola G2.5 :lol:

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Looks like a bleak future.

how can more options be a bleak future? Good small cars are the best way to meet the CAFE crap. Otherwise, it means high tech fuel saving tech forced on everyone across the board, pushing prices up for everyone, and likely making maintenance more complex and expensive. GM offering good small cars and people buying them is the best way to ensure that the other cars can continue to exist and you get to have what you want.

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how can more options be a bleak future? Good small cars are the best way to meet the CAFE crap. Otherwise, it means high tech fuel saving tech forced on everyone across the board, pushing prices up for everyone, and likely making maintenance more complex and expensive. GM offering good small cars and people buying them is the best way to ensure that the other cars can continue to exist and you get to have what you want.

I might believe that if the zeta product line wasn't being gutted and placed on the altar of stupidity.

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that looks like a mobile phone model: something like Motorola G2.5 :lol:

Or a software update.

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I might believe that if the zeta product line wasn't being gutted and place on the altar of stupidity.

Although I do not have a strong affinity for zeta. I definitely agree with you that GM is being extremely shortsighted about killing the Zeta.

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I might believe that if the zeta product line wasn't being gutted and placed on the altar of stupidity.

good point. :(

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Or a software update.

:lol:

Although I do not have a strong affinity for zeta. I definitely agree with you that GM is being extremely shortsighted about killing the Zeta.

In Business speak, maybe they're 'reassessing', not 'killing' :smilewide:

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:lol:

In Business speak, maybe they're 'reassessing', not 'killing' :smilewide:

In other words, they are dicking around - again

Cars like this should have been here in the 90s.

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In other words, they are dicking around - again

Cars like this should have been here in the 90s.

One dicks around with gf or bf depending on sexual orientation. This is just about cars! :smilewide:

GM has new fuel economy rules to comply with, as a US maker they'll never want to be in the position where they have to pay huge CAFE fines (also whatever money they make has to be used in product not in paying fines). I'd like to see RWD cars too, but I understand where GM is coming from a business standpoint. Out of curiosity: would you be happy with an Alpha car?

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One dicks around with gf or bf depending on sexual orientation. This is just about cars! :smilewide:

GM has new fuel economy rules to comply with, as a US maker they'll never want to be in the position where they have to pay huge CAFE fines (also whatever money they make has to be used in product not in paying fines). I'd like to see RWD cars too, but I understand where GM is coming from a business standpoint. Out of curiosity: would you be happy with an Alpha car?

No.

Zeta is exactly what I've been waiting for for years. It is the perfect size for me.

I'll just bail out on new cars if these don't materialize.

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Okay... well, back onto small cars for Buick, Pontiac, & GMC... the off-topic subject is being strung across several other topics as it is...

I hope the Skylark comes. Remember the article that stated Buick was getting Alpha? I'm wondering if that was a misquote or not... Delta or Alpha... doesn't matter to me. I would like to see a compact Buick again.

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Why not a Cadillac STS V6 instead? With its absurd discounts (between $5k-$10k depending on where you're at) an STS with a few options is not going to be much more expensive than a loaded G8.

I just don't care for the Cadillac style : I can respect it, but it doesn't turn me on. Luxury cars have never been my thing.

Also, I flat can't stand sedans - so even the G8 is out for me.

Give me a RWD, v8-powered, manually shifted, coupe, convertible, wagon, or Ute in Pontiac form and I'm there.

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Okay... well, back onto small cars for Buick, Pontiac, & GMC... the off-topic subject is being strung across several other topics as it is...

I hope the Skylark comes. Remember the article that stated Buick was getting Alpha? I'm wondering if that was a misquote or not... Delta or Alpha... doesn't matter to me. I would like to see a compact Buick again.

Sorry about the thread hijack, Ven. I'm just royally PO'd right now.

A small Buick would make some sense, as would an Alpha Pontiac and the Torrent going to GMC. None of them for me, thanks - but I can see the logic.

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One dicks around with gf or bf depending on sexual orientation. This is just about cars! :smilewide:

GM has new fuel economy rules to comply with, as a US maker they'll never want to be in the position where they have to pay huge CAFE fines (also whatever money they make has to be used in product not in paying fines). I'd like to see RWD cars too, but I understand where GM is coming from a business standpoint. Out of curiosity: would you be happy with an Alpha car?

What if they gripe and say RWD Alpha is dead because of "Fuel Economy"? We will see nothing but FWD small POS.

GM needs to survive through the CAFE, but they are becoming extra defensive.

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What if they gripe and say RWD Alpha is dead because of "Fuel Economy"? We will see nothing but FWD small POS.

GM needs to survive through the CAFE, but they are becoming extra defensive.

I think people are, in general, overreacting. GM needs to have a balanced product portfolio and to me that includes RWD, FWD and AWD products. Those RWD, FWD and AWD products will come and what's happening is GM is making business decisions in a context where the company has taken big hits over the last 30 years and does not have money to throw at anything that moves. If Toyota wants to please itself engineering a new V-10 or V-12, they have the cash to do it. GM cannot afford that, it needs to prioritize. Lutz prioritized the GMT900s, the Lambdas, and the rewoked Malibu ahead of the RWD cars, didn't he?

On the subject of the small-car issue, a Buick below the LaCrosse might be interesting. Maybe Buick and Saturn+Saab would make an interesting set of brands: One offering American flavoured cars, the other two as the Euro-DNA brands. That pairing, and Buick's relevance in China might justify overlaping brands as premium offerings (premium in the sense of being between volume Chevrolet and luxury Cadillac).

Edited by ZL-1
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