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Honda Motor September 2009 Sales

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10/01/2009 - TORRANCE, Calif. -

American Honda Motor Co., Inc., posted total September vehicle sales of 77,229, a decline of 23.3 percent compared to September 2008, based on the daily selling rate*. Honda Division posted September sales of 69,970, a decline of 22.5 percent versus September 2008.

Honda total car sales decreased by 20.4 percent, to 41,982. Honda light-truck sales decreased 25.4 percent, to 27,988. Pilot sales increased 0.5 percent, to 5,438.

The Acura Division posted sales of 7,259, a decline of 30.3 percent compared to September 2008. The MDX was the brand's best-selling vehicle with 2,220 units sold.

*The daily selling rate is calculated with 25 days for September 2009 and 24 days for September 2008. The year-to-date daily selling rate is calculated with 229 days for 2009 and 230 days for 2008. All percentages reflect the daily selling rate.

Fit sales dropped dramatically compared to last year, a whole 51.6%. It looks like post-clunkers sales have dropped back to the expected levels. With inventories depleted, many people are probably waiting for the 2010s to arrive so they can get what they want. According to truecar.com, current prices are also very high for any remaining 09s, most likely due to low inventory. Prices probably won't go down until late Nov. or Dec. when dealerships are full of cars again, but with the recession being unofficially over, don't expect to get the good deals from earlier this year.

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Fit sales dropped dramatically compared to last year, a whole 51.6%.

they found out its not that awesome of a car

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The same could be said of the aveo, the cobalt, the focus, the sebring, the corolla, the yaris, the versa, the sentra...all other small cars are down by a similar amount.

Try $4.35 a gallon gas vs. $2.35 a gallon gas...

The Fit is infinitely better than the Yaris, the Aveo, the Sebring, the Corolla, the Sentra, et. al.

Consider also the premium the Fit sells at over other small cars.

Chris

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Consider also the premium the Fit sells at over other small cars.

Chris

The same can be said for any vehicle that Honda produces. Just because there are idiots blind to reality does not make the Fit or any of Honda's other offerings worth the money people are willing to pay for them.

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The same can be said for any vehicle that Honda produces. Just because there are idiots blind to reality does not make the Fit or any of Honda's other offerings worth the money people are willing to pay for them.

It doesn't not make them worth the money people are willing to pay for them either.

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The same can be said for any vehicle that Honda produces. Just because there are idiots blind to reality does not make the Fit or any of Honda's other offerings worth the money people are willing to pay for them.

This begs the question. How do you define Honda buyers as idiots blind to reality?

The same remark could be made of GM buyers, Ford buyers, BMW buyers, Benz buyers et al.

Chris

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The Fit is a Great Car!! It's great sales numbers in my opinion is beacuse it is the best well equipped car you can get that gives you great Gas MIlage. Just look interior pictures of the Fit: Example: The Steering Wheel it has Bluetooth, audio controls with the ability to scroll your ipod from the steering wheel. The interio also is the most driver friendly in the segment with 10 cup holders. Also add in it has a fold flat back seat and it makes it the most functional small car in it's segment.

http://automobiles.honda.com/fit/interior-photos.aspx

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The Fit is a Great Car!! It's great sales numbers in my opinion is beacuse it is the best well equipped car you can get that gives you great Gas MIlage. Just look interior pictures of the Fit: Example: The Steering Wheel it has Bluetooth, audio controls with the ability to scroll your ipod from the steering wheel. The interio also is the most driver friendly in the segment with 10 cup holders. Also add in it has a fold flat back seat and it makes it the most functional small car in it's segment.

http://automobiles.honda.com/fit/interior-photos.aspx

Nice sarcasm Reg.

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This begs the question. How do you define Honda buyers as idiots blind to reality?

The same remark could be made of GM buyers, Ford buyers, BMW buyers, Benz buyers et al.

Chris

Exactly. There are people biased towards each brand. GM probably still gets a lot of sales just because they are American, and people feel they are the better car for that reason alone.

Can anyone honestly say the Aveo is better than the Fit? Not unless they are biased.

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they found out its not that awesome of a car

Look at it's competetion. Would you rather have an Aveo, Rio, Versa, or Yaris? Given those choices, the Fit seems like a great car.

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i would guess most Fits sell OTD for 17k.

at that price, i am not buying. i would move up to a compact that is more solid in return i give maybe 3,4 mpg. or something used.

conversely, the Fit interior is annoying despite its function. It drives nicely, but so does a basic VW Golf.

I would guess most Versas sell OTD in the 14 range on average. So these are not directly comparable.

A mazda3 2.0 starts looking good with my 17 grand instead of the Fit. Real world i don't see much difference mpg wise and the 3 will be as enjoyable for nearly all buyers. Even if the mazda3 ends up a grand higher its more of a substantial car.

The real fools are the Yaris buyers.

Most folks shopping appliances will move up to say, an Elantra. In fact, the Elantra touring is nice upgrade over the Fit. You lose some of the sprite character, but the Elantra touring would probably be a better car for most of the people who seem drawn to the Fit and Hondas in general (i.e. old ladies, retiring baby boomers, women who insist on shopping only based upon what consumer reports tells them).

What i am saying, the majority of the public doesn't recognize or appreciate the handling differences the Fit has to offer, but will quickly notice things like the cabin noise, not comfortable ride, cheap fabric and plastic, video game dash, lack of power and torque, thin sheet metal and such.

For those that like the Fit's virtues, thats fine. I am saying the Fit's virtue set is non as permeable with shoppers as people who are blinded by the H would think.

If this car had anything besides a Honda badge on it, it wouldn't sell 1/2 or 1/3 what it does.

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I agree, I would never shop for a subcompact when I could get a good compact for the same price, with the exception of the Mini. That's also why I prefer to buy used. You can get a much better car for the same price.

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Can anyone honestly say the Aveo is better than the Fit? Not unless they are biased.

Bingo. The Fit is the quality of the small car GM should have been building all along.

Methinks things will get interesting with the Focus and the Fiesta.

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I agree, I would never shop for a subcompact when I could get a good compact for the same price, with the exception of the Mini. That's also why I prefer to buy used. You can get a much better car for the same price.

Depends. If you were a 23 year old just out of college with your first job and needed reliable wheels the Fit would work out great.

Esp. if you lived in an urban area...

Esp. if you were perhaps female...

And esp. if you didn't want to drive a Yaris or Versa or some other crap box.

Chris

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Nice sarcasm Reg.

I don't think that was reg, unless it was his sock puppet.

Chris

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Depends. If you were a 23 year old just out of college with your first job and needed reliable wheels the Fit would work out great.

Esp. if you lived in an urban area...

Esp. if you were perhaps female...

And esp. if you didn't want to drive a Yaris or Versa or some other crap box.

Chris

Used cars can be reliable too. Instead of buying a new Fit, or Cobalt, you can buy a used GTO for around the same price right now. You can buy a used Mini for $12k-$14k with low miles.

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i would guess most Fits sell OTD for 17k.

at that price, i am not buying. i would move up to a compact that is more solid in return i give maybe 3,4 mpg. or something used.

conversely, the Fit interior is annoying despite its function. It drives nicely, but so does a basic VW Golf.

I would guess most Versas sell OTD in the 14 range on average. So these are not directly comparable.

A mazda3 2.0 starts looking good with my 17 grand instead of the Fit. Real world i don't see much difference mpg wise and the 3 will be as enjoyable for nearly all buyers. Even if the mazda3 ends up a grand higher its more of a substantial car.

The real fools are the Yaris buyers.

Most folks shopping appliances will move up to say, an Elantra. In fact, the Elantra touring is nice upgrade over the Fit. You lose some of the sprite character, but the Elantra touring would probably be a better car for most of the people who seem drawn to the Fit and Hondas in general (i.e. old ladies, retiring baby boomers, women who insist on shopping only based upon what consumer reports tells them).

What i am saying, the majority of the public doesn't recognize or appreciate the handling differences the Fit has to offer, but will quickly notice things like the cabin noise, not comfortable ride, cheap fabric and plastic, video game dash, lack of power and torque, thin sheet metal and such.

For those that like the Fit's virtues, thats fine. I am saying the Fit's virtue set is non as permeable with shoppers as people who are blinded by the H would think.

If this car had anything besides a Honda badge on it, it wouldn't sell 1/2 or 1/3 what it does.

You make a whole lot of assumptions, guesses, and "it's close enough" statements.

Let's look at some statistics, which may not be without error but are certainly much closer to facts than assumptions and guesses.

Autotrader US-wide average price:

Honda Fit: $17,666

Mazda 3: $21,093

That includes the Mazda 3 sedan and 5-door. If I were to isolate the search to the 5-door only, the Mazda 3's average price would probably go up a bit.

Fueleconomy.gov's numbers:

Honda Fit: 35 mpg average

Mazda 3 (2.0L): 29 mpg average

EPA cargo volume:

Honda Fit: 20.6 cu. ft.

Mazda 3 (5-door): 17 cu. ft.

Mazda 3 (4-door): 11.8 cu. ft.

Consider that the Fit has "magic" seats that also fold flat, making it far more usable and functional than the Mazda 3 5-door (let alone 4-door).

This isn't to say that the Mazda 3 isn't a better car than the Fit. It is in a higher class, is larger, and may have better features and materials compared to the Fit.

A lot of people who are buying new aren't willing to buy used, otherwise they would be comparing a used Mazda 3 to a used Fit.

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Used cars can be reliable too. Instead of buying a new Fit, or Cobalt, you can buy a used GTO for around the same price right now. You can buy a used Mini for $12k-$14k with low miles.

Not everyone wants a GTO...nor a car that gets 14 mpg.

And a used Fit is probably more reliable than a new MINI.

The MINI's that are available cheap tend to be 2002-2004, when BMW was still sorting them out.

Not every one wants a used car.

Different strokes for different folks.

Chris

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Not everyone wants a GTO...nor a car that gets 14 mpg.

And a used Fit is probably more reliable than a new MINI.

The MINI's that are available cheap tend to be 2002-2004, when BMW was still sorting them out.

Not every one wants a used car.

Different strokes for different folks.

Chris

You can also get a new lemon also, so I don't see how that's relevant. Of course not everyone wants a used car, that's why new cars sell. You can't deny that you can find more desirable, low mileage used cars, for the same price as less desirable new cars.

And my GTO has never come close to getting 14 mpg. I averaged 21, and got as high as 27 on a longer trip. Lowest I EVER got, was 18.5, when driven hard frequently.

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You make a whole lot of assumptions, guesses, and "it's close enough" statements.

Let's look at some statistics, which may not be without error but are certainly much closer to facts than assumptions and guesses.

Autotrader US-wide average price:

Honda Fit: $17,666

Mazda 3: $21,093

That includes the Mazda 3 sedan and 5-door. If I were to isolate the search to the 5-door only, the Mazda 3's average price would probably go up a bit.

Fueleconomy.gov's numbers:

Honda Fit: 35 mpg average

Mazda 3 (2.0L): 29 mpg average

EPA cargo volume:

Honda Fit: 20.6 cu. ft.

Mazda 3 (5-door): 17 cu. ft.

Mazda 3 (4-door): 11.8 cu. ft.

Consider that the Fit has "magic" seats that also fold flat, making it far more usable and functional than the Mazda 3 5-door (let alone 4-door).

This isn't to say that the Mazda 3 isn't a better car than the Fit. It is in a higher class, is larger, and may have better features and materials compared to the Fit.

A lot of people who are buying new aren't willing to buy used, otherwise they would be comparing a used Mazda 3 to a used Fit.

thats a skewed analysis. the mazda3 sales will include speed which skews the number. also i am comparing the 2.0 mazda3 to the fit. the 2.5 mazda3 will again have higher transaction prices, but will also have a lot of options that the fit doesnt, like leather. leather is prob a frequent option on the 2.5. also i am guessing the automatic is a much higher take rate on the 2.5 the take rate of the 2.0 manual on the mazda3 will more closely approximate the take rate on the fit. the 2.0's real world mpg will be closer to the fit and will not be skewed by the 2.5 automatics and speed turbos either. i don't always trust fuel economy.gov as their sample rate is never that large. even if the fit scores 33-35 mpg, the 2.0 mazda will score at least 30 mpg, and chances are the mazda3 will be cheaper to insure than an 'H' car, offsetting the marginal different in fuel economy.

i think most folks if a gun was to their head would get the mazda3, even if it cost slightly more.

mazda 3 25/33 mpg. fit 27/33 not much diff. only thing 2.0 not avail on the HB. at least you don't get the loud cabin with the 3.

almost 18 grand for a car with only 117 hp? sounds like a rip off to me. can't even use the H excuse on that one. If honda gets 18k for a Fit routinely then they should be offering a 150hp version on one of its models. yes, i know, it still won't have torque even if they did that.

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thats a skewed analysis. the mazda3 sales will include speed which skews the number. also i am comparing the 2.0 mazda3 to the fit. the 2.5 mazda3 will again have higher transaction prices, but will also have a lot of options that the fit doesnt, like leather. leather is prob a frequent option on the 2.5. also i am guessing the automatic is a much higher take rate on the 2.5 the take rate of the 2.0 manual on the mazda3 will more closely approximate the take rate on the fit. the 2.0's real world mpg will be closer to the fit and will not be skewed by the 2.5 automatics and speed turbos either. i don't always trust fuel economy.gov as their sample rate is never that large. even if the fit scores 33-35 mpg, the 2.0 mazda will score at least 30 mpg, and chances are the mazda3 will be cheaper to insure than an 'H' car, offsetting the marginal different in fuel economy.

i think most folks if a gun was to their head would get the mazda3, even if it cost slightly more.

mazda 3 25/33 mpg. fit 27/33 not much diff. only thing 2.0 not avail on the HB. at least you don't get the loud cabin with the 3.

almost 18 grand for a car with only 117 hp? sounds like a rip off to me. can't even use the H excuse on that one. If honda gets 18k for a Fit routinely then they should be offering a 150hp version on one of its models. yes, i know, it still won't have torque even if they did that.

I'll give you that the Autotrader averages are skewed by MS3 and 2.5 models. Good point.

The fueleconomy.gov number I quoted was for 2.0L only; you can check out the site for yourself. Like I said, there is room for error but it is a lot better than guessing.

No reason to believe insurance would be higher on the Fit than the Mazda 3, unless you have gotten quotes for both to show otherwise.

The majority of Fits sell with automatic transmission.

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IIRC it's like 85% or so automatic.

Wife wanted a manual Fit last year (thankfully we decided against that) and Manual fits were really hard to find.

Esp. the "Sport" model of the Fit in manual.

Chris

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IIRC it's like 85% or so automatic.

Chris

Amazing..I couldn't imagine driving a subcompact with an automatic....

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