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Drew Dowdell

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& OK, cool info on the GV ...so anyway, here is the Back Side View, call it whatever you like, but this is translated from the first "Catalina" I posted here into the correct Year & Body style. It dose match up with the Grand Ville design posted previously, pretty close anyway,...so you have a Front & Back on that one.

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Taking ocn's suggestions into consideration (besides the badge, since from what I saw 80's cars had pretty small badges), this is what I got.

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Looks better I think. The grill flows better. Overall with this chop I tried to add some modern touches (larger wheels, lowered ride height, etc.) while still making it look of its time. And as always, I tried to make teh chop look as believable and realistic as possible.

If anyone's wondering, I used the name "Silverstone" because its a Grand Prix track name and Pontiac seemed to like naming their cars with race related names (Grand Prix, Le Mans, etc.)

Looks great, DF. Thanks for incorporating my suggestions. I think you're the winnah!

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Taking ocn's suggestions into consideration (besides the badge, since from what I saw 80's cars had pretty small badges), this is what I got.

PontiacSilverstone2-1.jpg

Looks better I think. The grill flows better. Overall with this chop I tried to add some modern touches (larger wheels, lowered ride height, etc.) while still making it look of its time. And as always, I tried to make teh chop look as believable and realistic as possible.

If anyone's wondering, I used the name "Silverstone" because its a Grand Prix track name and Pontiac seemed to like naming their cars with race related names (Grand Prix, Le Mans, etc.)

That looks like a 1980's Bonneville model G in the front. It looks like a 1980's Pontiac that is a E-Body.

What GM would have really done.

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You too have the right idea sir. A little history on Pontiac Grande Parisienne:

For most of its life, the Parisienne was the Canadian nameplate for the top of the line model sold in GM of Canada's Pontiac showrooms. Parisiennes were distinct from other Canadian Pontiac models by their standard features: the luxiousness of upholstery fabrics; standard equipment such as courtesy interior and trunk lights; bright trim mouldings in the interior; distinct exterior accent chrome pieces; and availability of 2 and 4-door hardtops and convertibles.

Finally, starting in 1966 Pontiac offered the "Grande Parisienne", a 2-door and 4-door hardtop models parallel to Chevrolet's luxurious "Caprice"

In a marketing twist, for 1982 the US Bonneville was downsized to the mid-size G-body platform. In Canada, however, the full-size Parisienne continued for 1982, although its distinct Pontiac front- and rear-end treatments and interiors were largely replaced with Chevrolet components (described in detail below). Needing a full-size rear wheel drive car to replace the lost U.S. market share and gain back Pontiac customers who longed for a large rear wheel drive car, the Parisienne was imported from Oshawa, Ontario, Canada and sold in the United States beginning in the 1983 model year. Externally, it was a rebadged Chevrolet Impala (1983-84 models (and 1982 in Canada) had the Impala rear taillight panel fitted with Pontiac-spec taillight lenses, whereas the nose was borrowed from the Chevrolet Caprice fitted with a Pontiac grille). The 1985 and 1986 models resumed use of the rear-end styling from the 1980 to 1981 Bonneville. Two Parisienne ranges were sold - a base model (similar to the former Catalina and the then-current Oldsmobile Delta 88 Royale) in four-door sedan and Safari station wagon form, and a more-luxurious Brougham four-door sedan (with velour upholstery that featured loose-pillow fitted seats). No two-door models were offered for the United States market, although a coupe version was available in Canada through 1983.

Right-hand drive Pontiac Parisiennes and Laurentians were manufactured in Canada for export to some countries such as Australia, U.K. etc., until 1969. They used the 1965 Impala dash panel until 1969. Pontiac right hand drive "kit cars" crated at GM's Oshawa, Ontario manufacturing plant were shipped to Australia and assembled at GM's Holden plant using some domestic parts such as seats, opposing windscreen wipers and 2 speed ventilation systems. Pontiac "kit cars" were also assembled at an auto plant in South Africa.

YES.... They do this now with Holdens. The ship them from Australia to South Korea and China and The Middle East.

It would be that easy to bring Holdens to the United States.

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Now ....If you want a " performance version "....Call this a Catalina, which according to the information posted here by 98, the Grand Ville is a Luxo model & the Catalina a base model...so, of course you would make the performance model from the base car, so it could kick some ass :

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See what I am say'in ?...OK.

Yes ..I followed the "logic" of DF's Design strategy on this, but kept it in line with the GV design as well, & I did redo the back "c" pillar to be more like the original (2nd post - the black car) design I put up here.

I tell ya what...If Pontiac had made this....I would Buy one today, cuz it's just a Smok'in Look !...IMO.

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^ these were the first ideas I had for this concept (after the 90's versions which were the wrong models !!)... the Bottom Black one was intended to be a performance version..."bonneville" I called it...but the post above with that Catalina is the "shiz"...Muscle cars were getting quite Rare in the 70's....that one above would have been a REAL kicker with a 350 or a (sshhh) 428 in it !!!!

I think we can DQ these 2, ( they actually look more like Grand Prix models, IMO.)...but you SEE I had redone the "C" Pillar already to be more angled,...I do have one More coming up for you....LOL, I need that Toronado !!

:smilewide:

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Now ....If you want a " performance version "....Call this a Catalina, which according to the information posted here by 98, the Grand Ville is a Luxo model & the Catalina a base model...so, of course you would make the performance model from the base car, so it could kick some ass :

pontiaccatalina7.jpg

See what I am say'in ?...OK.

Yes ..I followed the "logic" of DF's Design strategy on this, but kept it in line with the GV design as well, & I did redo the back "c" pillar to be more like the original (2nd post - the black car) design I put up here.

I tell ya what...If Pontiac had made this....I would Buy one today, cuz it's just a Smok'in Look !...IMO.

You know, I have to admit I also saw Ford in DF's design, I was thinking big Mercury. I do like this version of yours, MDM.

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Funny thing is I didn't look at any cars besides Pontiacs of the era (for period correct details) for inspiration. When I was done I was very pleased with it, although I couldn't help but get a Mark VII vibe from it. Oh well. :P

As for looking EXCATLY!121?! like the Ford, (I see a resemblance)well sure, in the same way the Camaro, Mustang, and Challenger looked exactly the same in the late 60's because they had upkicks and followed the same basic design principle. ;)

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Yeah...it is true that the cars from one time period to another always seem to have a similar "look"...So, if you analyze the "design style" many cars look like each other, it is hard to escape that. Many ofther same designers worked for different companies too, and that contributes to the shared look, same is true today, I see GM designs in many of the new Kia & Hyundai designs, as well because many ex GM designers went to those companies.

:convertible:

I do hope we will have a few more people submit some designs here too, it is a bit of a challenge to do this as you have to think "retro" as to what could have been done back in the day...this was a great concept for a contest. THX Drew.

So anyway, when I complete the one other view I am working on I will post all of them up as attachments for a final,there should be 4 pictures in the set all of which are related to each other by the same basic design.

:deathwatch:

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MDM's last effort looks great, but not period correct.

DF's looks very good, but I expect that this car would have drawn more front-end design from the '73-'77 Grand Prix. This car would have been the "personal luxury" flagship for Pontiac - a spot that actually went to the Grand Prix.

Other than that, I think DF's chop is spot-on. It looks very period-Pontiac from the front fenders on back.

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Camino,

I may not be the best chopper in the world (MS Paint). But I think my first car I did would be the closest to what GM would have really done. I took a grill and lights off a 80 Pontiac Bonneville and slapped it onto the 79 toro. That was their forward thinking design in 79-80. The Bonneville would have been the closest thing to a Toronado that Pontiac made.

The rest were done for fun.

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With the premise that an E-body would be a tip-top of the line personal luxury coupe at Pontiac, the design would have to be even more provocative, sculpted, sporty, and luxurious than the 1977 Grand Prix. How is that possible?

I was there when the brick wall hit... the transition between '77 and '78 Grand Prix was jarring. I remember thinking that they cut off all the contours and where left with a small box, a shadow of former glory. My opinion of the '78-'80 GP has mellowed since then, and now I would love to at least see one on the road. A black one with saddle vinyl buckets, gold-accent snowflake wheels, 301 and tin top would be great to tool around in on the weekends.

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Camino,

I may not be the best chopper in the world (MS Paint). But I think my first car I did would be the closest to what GM would have really done. I took a grill and lights off a 80 Pontiac Bonneville and slapped it onto the 79 toro. That was their forward thinking design in 79-80. The Bonneville would have been the closest thing to a Toronado that Pontiac made.

The rest were done for fun.

Well, having lived through that time in a painfully car-aware state, I'd have to disagree. That vintage of Bonneville was creeping ever closer to being a Chevy clone and the Full-size Pontiac was in decline generally. Then there is the factor of the GP being quite popular as a personal luxury car at the time.

Had Pontiac done an E-body, it would have meant the end of the line for the RWD GP. The new E-body would likely have adopted the Grand Prix name as well as its styling cues.

Who knows, it might even have been a good move as the GP's '78 restyle was something of a disaster. I never cared for the e-body cars, but they had an undeniable presence and sold well.

That's my rationale at any rate.

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