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I saw 2 yesterday, although they were both beige, could have been the same car that I saw twice. The only weird thing about it is the hood looks really low and the trunk looks really high. Seems off in proportion. The LED lights on the front look better than the CTS's though.

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My first impressions are these:

- It's a bit bigger than I expected.

- It sure looks nimble when an impatient driver is behind the wheel.

- It's quick off idle.

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I am suprised you noticed with the extra two doors LOL!!.

IT is a lot better car in person. The lines show real well in metal vs the photo. Some may claim it is toned down but to be honest it was cleaned up.

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I am suprised you noticed with the extra two doors LOL!!.

IT is a lot better car in person. The lines show real well in metal vs the photo. Some may claim it is toned down but to be honest it was cleaned up.

Well, the two extra doors make it a non-starter for me of course.

It also looks very narrow, very tall, and very long - odd proportions. But it does stand out in traffic, not so well as say a Solstice does, but it does stand out.

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What got my attention most was the way it moved - you could tell that the suspension/handling was very well sorted just by the way it darted around traffic.

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Anyone get a picture to share yet? I am excited to see one in person, but none have shown up in Seattle yet.

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Drove it at IMPA... it's a lot stiffer suspension than I imagined it would be.... stiffer than an FR-S even.

I could see that as it moved down the road.

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Drove it at IMPA... it's a lot stiffer suspension than I imagined it would be.... stiffer than an FR-S even.

:metal: Rock on a true Driving machine!!! :metal:

This should totally challenge BMW's and other so called driving machines.

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I am suprised you noticed with the extra two doors LOL!!.

IT is a lot better car in person. The lines show real well in metal vs the photo. Some may claim it is toned down but to be honest it was cleaned up.

Well, the two extra doors make it a non-starter for me of course.

It also looks very narrow, very tall, and very long - odd proportions. But it does stand out in traffic, not so well as say a Solstice does, but it does stand out.

You not like a 4 door go on!

The Stood out as a impractical roadster and that is ok in a roadster as something is wrong if it is practical. This is a sports sedan that has to be made to live in a daily enviroment. It also was built to live in and outside the North American market.

So what does that mean. Well it means it will be narrower and taller to give comfort but to fit more markets as most other cars already do. Not everyone wants American Bulk.

Also the size is key for the 3300 pound weight.

GM is now starting to build real Global cars and things will have to change. You can not expect to buld a modern copy of the last Fleetwood and expect people in China and Europe to ever accept it.

The car will do well and the headroom will be a plus to most buyers. While the Show Car vehicles GM built like the Camaro,. SSR and Solstic/Sky were fun they were not very good well thought out cars. They played so much to style that they left a lot on the table for people who have to live with them. Even my HHR has blind spots that would scare most that are not used to driving one. I am ok with it but most average buyers would hate them. The A pillar can lose a Mack truck in them.

I think the ATS has hit the just right balance for what most buyers want. This is a car for everyone and not just a small segment. If GM every plans to move ahead they have to appeal to most buyers not a chosen retro few.

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I saw a few of them last month at the Indy Car race at Sonoma. Sat in a red one w/ tan interior. Seems quite nice at first view. I didn't take a lot of time to study it, it was parked next to 3 CTS-vs (one in each bodystyle, all metallic black). I like the styling, not sure if I like it over the current CTS, though.

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I am suprised you noticed with the extra two doors LOL!!.

IT is a lot better car in person. The lines show real well in metal vs the photo. Some may claim it is toned down but to be honest it was cleaned up.

Well, the two extra doors make it a non-starter for me of course.

It also looks very narrow, very tall, and very long - odd proportions. But it does stand out in traffic, not so well as say a Solstice does, but it does stand out.

You not like a 4 door go on!

The Stood out as a impractical roadster and that is ok in a roadster as something is wrong if it is practical. This is a sports sedan that has to be made to live in a daily enviroment. It also was built to live in and outside the North American market.

So what does that mean. Well it means it will be narrower and taller to give comfort but to fit more markets as most other cars already do. Not everyone wants American Bulk.

Also the size is key for the 3300 pound weight.

GM is now starting to build real Global cars and things will have to change. You can not expect to buld a modern copy of the last Fleetwood and expect people in China and Europe to ever accept it.

The car will do well and the headroom will be a plus to most buyers. While the Show Car vehicles GM built like the Camaro,. SSR and Solstic/Sky were fun they were not very good well thought out cars. They played so much to style that they left a lot on the table for people who have to live with them. Even my HHR has blind spots that would scare most that are not used to driving one. I am ok with it but most average buyers would hate them. The A pillar can lose a Mack truck in them.

I think the ATS has hit the just right balance for what most buyers want. This is a car for everyone and not just a small segment. If GM every plans to move ahead they have to appeal to most buyers not a chosen retro few.

You read far too much into my comments.

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I am suprised you noticed with the extra two doors LOL!!.

IT is a lot better car in person. The lines show real well in metal vs the photo. Some may claim it is toned down but to be honest it was cleaned up.

Well, the two extra doors make it a non-starter for me of course.

It also looks very narrow, very tall, and very long - odd proportions. But it does stand out in traffic, not so well as say a Solstice does, but it does stand out.

You not like a 4 door go on!

The Stood out as a impractical roadster and that is ok in a roadster as something is wrong if it is practical. This is a sports sedan that has to be made to live in a daily enviroment. It also was built to live in and outside the North American market.

So what does that mean. Well it means it will be narrower and taller to give comfort but to fit more markets as most other cars already do. Not everyone wants American Bulk.

Also the size is key for the 3300 pound weight.

GM is now starting to build real Global cars and things will have to change. You can not expect to buld a modern copy of the last Fleetwood and expect people in China and Europe to ever accept it.

The car will do well and the headroom will be a plus to most buyers. While the Show Car vehicles GM built like the Camaro,. SSR and Solstic/Sky were fun they were not very good well thought out cars. They played so much to style that they left a lot on the table for people who have to live with them. Even my HHR has blind spots that would scare most that are not used to driving one. I am ok with it but most average buyers would hate them. The A pillar can lose a Mack truck in them.

I think the ATS has hit the just right balance for what most buyers want. This is a car for everyone and not just a small segment. If GM every plans to move ahead they have to appeal to most buyers not a chosen retro few.

You read far too much into my comments.

No, I am just used to you going to unrealistic extremes for the present day market.

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I am suprised you noticed with the extra two doors LOL!!.

IT is a lot better car in person. The lines show real well in metal vs the photo. Some may claim it is toned down but to be honest it was cleaned up.

Well, the two extra doors make it a non-starter for me of course.

It also looks very narrow, very tall, and very long - odd proportions. But it does stand out in traffic, not so well as say a Solstice does, but it does stand out.

You not like a 4 door go on!

The Stood out as a impractical roadster and that is ok in a roadster as something is wrong if it is practical. This is a sports sedan that has to be made to live in a daily enviroment. It also was built to live in and outside the North American market.

So what does that mean. Well it means it will be narrower and taller to give comfort but to fit more markets as most other cars already do. Not everyone wants American Bulk.

Also the size is key for the 3300 pound weight.

GM is now starting to build real Global cars and things will have to change. You can not expect to buld a modern copy of the last Fleetwood and expect people in China and Europe to ever accept it.

The car will do well and the headroom will be a plus to most buyers. While the Show Car vehicles GM built like the Camaro,. SSR and Solstic/Sky were fun they were not very good well thought out cars. They played so much to style that they left a lot on the table for people who have to live with them. Even my HHR has blind spots that would scare most that are not used to driving one. I am ok with it but most average buyers would hate them. The A pillar can lose a Mack truck in them.

I think the ATS has hit the just right balance for what most buyers want. This is a car for everyone and not just a small segment. If GM every plans to move ahead they have to appeal to most buyers not a chosen retro few.

You read far too much into my comments.

No, I am just used to you going to unrealistic extremes for the present day market.

Oh please, I haven't even edged close to anything like that - only you brought up anything that might belong in that category.

Don't be so fast to spin everything into a "GM can do no wrong " diatribe. My even- handed observations were all that I offered here.

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The local Cadillac store has at least 3 ATSes in stock..drove by the morning, saw a white one, a black one, and a silver blue one..

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