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3800 V6 Racing Leauge

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I never had problems with my Impala....but then again...I did not drive it like a mad man either. I loved the instant acceleration I got with it....but somehow...I knew not to push my luck with it.

The one thing I hated about it...the one thing that made me be embarrassed driving it, was the cheap painting process GM has with most of their vehicles. The paint had started to peel off at the wheel wells, all four wheel wells and rust had started to form. I was ready to buy black Tremclad anti-rust spray paint but a teenaged girl reversed into the passenger side door and made a huuuge dent...well...6-8 months later...I traded her in for the car I drive now.

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Eligibility rules for the 3800 V6 racing league are up for debate.  What is great about 3800 cars is there are so many from so many different eras with different capabilities.  If you did a Mercedes 6.3 V8 league, then every car would be an SLS AMG because it has better acceleration, braking, handling, than an S63 or E63.  Likewise if you did a Hemi V8 racing league every car would be a Charger Hellcat.

 

With the 3800 cars, you could see a 95 Camaro, 98 Firebird, 99 Riviera, 97 Regal GS, 04 Grand Prix, 05 Monte Carlo, 05 Impala, 08 LaCrosse, 02 Park Ave Ultra, etc and any of them could have a chance to win.

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the 3900 was a last ditch effort to continue the pushrod V6 and 3800 series, made from 2006-2009 I think.  They used it on the Malibu SS and G6 GTP for a couple years, the Impala and Lucerne had it.  I think it make like 239 hp without a supercharger, so it was a way to stay competitive on horsepower at least with the Honda and Toyota 3.5 V6s that were putting out around 250 hp.  Then the 2.4 ecotec four replaced GM's smaller V6s, the 3.6 liter V6 replaced the 3900s.

 

The 3900 was in no way related to the 3800.  The 3800 had a 90 degree cylinder angle, the 3900 had a 60 degree cylinder angle. 

 

The 3900 was a very advanced engine and it was only due to the drumbeat of the uninformed like you who chase high horsepower per liter that killed it. 

It had 240 horsepower and 240 lb-ft of torque with a turbo-charged like torque curve.  90% of max torque was available from 1,500 rpm - 5,500 rpm.  It had variable valve timing, variable length intake manifold, and on the Impala it had Active-fuel-management.  It was surprisingly efficient even in the big cars. It is also substantially physically smaller externally and lighter than any DOHC V6 made of the same material.

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Oh yeah that is right, I forgot about the 60 degree angle, which is the proper angle for a V6.  Since it was paired with the 3500 V6, where did those come from?  Was that based of the 3.4 liter V6?  I'd imagine all the GM V8s are 90 degree so they couldn't cut one of those down, like they did with the Northstar to the 3.5 DOHC V6.

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The 3500 and 3900 were designed at the same time and were distant cousins of the old 2.8 liter V6 which begat the 3.1 OHV which begat the 3.4 OHV.  The 3.4 Twin Dual Cam was related to these also.

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I just thought of a great spin-off series to the 3800 V6 racing league.  The GM Relay Race Racing Series.  This would be an endurance racing series of 8 hour races (3 drivers per team).  Could also be done as a 16 hour endurance race with 4 drivers per team.

 

Each team would have 8 cars from 8 different GM brands (past or present), maximum 1 car per brand.

Each team would have to have at least 1 two-door car (coupe or convertible), 1 four-door sedan, 1 SUV, 1 pickup and 1 van.

Max budget for all 8 cars would bet set at a pre-determined limit like $80,000

Maybe a minimum car price like $4,000

Each car has to do 1 hour of race time.  (or 2 hours each for 16 hour race)

 

The budget makes it hard to throw a Corvette in there with a whole bunch of cheap slow cars, makes it hard to afford a GMC Typhoon or Cyclone, and you could only get one.  A Cyclone would take care of the GMC and pickup requirement with 1 vehicle, but if you add a Corvette, Chevy is out for the van.  So you think Transport Montana, but then you can't get a firebird.  And a Saturn Relay might take up more budget than you want to spend on a slow car.

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My team:

 

2003 GMC Sonoma reg. cab 4.3 V6:  $5,000

2007 Saturn Relay 3900 V6:               $7,000

2005 Buick Rainier V8:                       $8,000

1999 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am:        $7,000

2007 Saab 9-5 Aero:                          $7,000

2003 Oldsmobile Aurora 4.0:             $4,000

2004 Cadillac CTS-V:                        $15,000

2004 Chevrolet Corvette Z06:           $20,000

 

$73,000 total

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2010 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Turbo $10k

2010 Pontiac Solstice GXP $15k

2006 Saturn Vue Red-Line $8k

1995 Oldsmobile Silhouette 3800 - $4,000

2008 Buick Lacrosse Super - $10,000

2004 Cadillac CTS-V - $15k

2006 Saab 9-3 Aero V6 2.8 Turbo -$8k

2005 GMC Envoy XUV $10k - Covers me for truck and SUV ;-)

 

$80k on the nose assuming I find a '95 Olds Van that is still worth $4k

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The Vue Red Line is a good SUV option, those were pretty quick and I forgot they even made that.  Honda V6 too for good reliability.   I thought about an SRX V8 because those could handle, but needed the CTS-V, and I felt I had to get a Corvette and Firebird V8 in there.  Typhoons and Cyclones were like $15-20k, too much to spend on the truck.

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Well because I have the Envoy XUV in there, I was thinking I could swap out the Vue Red-Line for a 2004 Ion Red-Line 5-speed manual and save a couple bucks while gaining some speed.

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If I were a producer for the new Clarkson, Hammond, May car show that is rumored to go to Netfix, I would give each of them, $3,800 to buy a GM car with a 3800 V6 and set them off on a series of challenges.

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BTW - I pick a 2004 Holden Commodore S with the supercharged 3800 and 5-speed manual

That would probably be a hard car to beat, I wasn't thinking of non-American cars.  That might have to be another rule change.

 

What is great about the other 3800 cars is all have a flaw.  The Camaro/Firebird should have the best handling, but are the slowest.  Every car has a trade off, the Regal GS might be fastest in a straight line but would handle the worst.

 

Another good oddball would be the 3800 powered Cutlass Ciera International.  The answer to your Regal GS quandary is the Grand Prix GTP coupe.

Exactly my pick would be the Grand Prix GTP, and because it'll be raced the coupe it would be.

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