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Europe's 400 Ultra-Fast Charging Network by 2020

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G. David Felt
Staff Writer Alternative Energy - www.CheersandGears.com

 

Europe's 400 Ultra-Fast Charging Network by 2020

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Europe like America has the 3 basic charging standards in play in their fragile network of 2016. These is what we know as the 110, 220 and 440, level 1, 2 and 3 chargers. Yet Europe is not standing by waiting for Tesla or American Auto companies to drive EV auto's. Instead Europe has built the following consortium of Auto companies who have all chosen to contribute an equal amount to building the next generation charger network. VW, GM, BMW, Daimler, FORD, FCA, Hyundai, Volvo and Jaguar Land Rover have choosen to build 400 locations over the next 3 years that will sense and charge up to 350 kW in the period of a quick Coffee break. This is significantly faster and higher than the Tesla 120kW fast charging system. The goal by the European Government is to offer road trip worthy auto's with fast charging to bring less noise and cleaner air to European cities by 2020 and to make the bulk of inner city auto's EV's within 10 years of the fast charging system going live, so by 2030.

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Diamler is wanting to lead the European charge with their 300+ kilometer EV-CUV

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This would seem to show that Tesla has had the desired effect of making a market changing revolution of how companies and governments see the future of transportation.

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.... good luck getting the in the USA....glad Europe is doing this.

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oldshurst442    1,044

Yup...I wanted to comment on this.

It goes to show you how the rest of the planet seems to want to embrace electricity while us in North America are dragging our feet.

IRONY...at the turn of the last century...the 1900s...when the industrial revolution was starting to heat up...England and the USA was at the forefront of this revolution and the USA as a young nation exploded unto the scene with its youthful enthusiasm regarding revolutionary life style changes...

Sure there were other nations that were industrializing themselves, but not at the fervour and rate the USA was.

At the turn of this century...The USA is like a caveman, grunting and scratching his testicles reminiscing about the  good 'ole days of making America great again...but little do they understand that moving forward into this world of electrification WILL make America great again...

FORD of Europe and GM of Europe are in this with the other European car makers...

You add Tesla into the mix and you got the NEW Detroit Big 3 LEADING the way...

TESLA is the GIANT in this and GM is just about the biggest automobile car manufacturer again...Hyundai might have something to say about that...but it don't matter...GM still beats Hyundai in innovations...IF ONLY AMERICA UNCUFFS GM TO LEAD THE WAY IN THE USA AS WELL!!!

 

Yes with ELECTRIFICATION...

Johan de Nysschen wants to take Cadillac racing with fossil fuel technology...

What a BACKWARRDS step that is...

There is an F1 Electric car race in the making as we speak...

Cadillac should do that instead...but NO!

Americans still believe the V8 motor is the way to go...

The V8 motor my friends is a dying breed....

Tesla has changed that mind set...

 

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oldshurst442    1,044

Coincidently...that is why I think Tesla will survive and continue on...

Because the both the industry and the people view Tesla as the benchmark.

The industry does not want to admit this...but the consumer is not shy to express that opinion.

Tesla is the one to continue to innovate AND IMPLEMENT these changes without HESITATION.

Unless Tesla STOPS their passion for electrification and another player sweeps in to take their place...I don't see Tesla stumbling.

We make fun of Tesla with some of their moves and decisions...

But this is a NEW formula where nothing is written to base of what must be done.

Tesla is the one to write the formula going forward and many of their ideas WILL be misses.

But THAT is how technology rolls anyhow...like I said...if Tesla continues with their passion for electrification...Tesla aint going nowhere but forwards.

Europe and China sadly...looks like THEY will be the NEXT hubbub of giving us the way of how we humans live in the current future and will leave the USA in the dust...in the past...

Make America Great Again...

Sure!

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Exactly why I said in the Cadillac thread that our luxury cars will  eventually be built to Chinese tastes and not US tastes.

 

Americans want all of the benefits of living in a first world, first rate society with none of th effort...let me know how that works out for them...

Tesla has enormous cash flow problems that will get orders of magnitude worse under the Trump administration, my thought is put a fork in it, but I could be wrong...and hope that I am.

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oldshurst442    1,044
7 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Exactly why I said in the Cadillac thread that our luxury cars will  eventually be built to Chinese tastes and not US tastes.

 

Americans want all of the benefits of living in a first world, first rate society with none of th effort...let me know how that works out for them...

Tesla has enormous cash flow problems that will get orders of magnitude worse under the Trump administration, my thought is put a fork in it, but I could be wrong...and hope that I am.

I aint arguing there!

But...Tesla could move their headquarters to another country. Sure the mega battery factory will still be in the States, but they could move their headquarters elsewhere...and France...

France already has told Tesla they could use one of their old Nuclear electricity producing plants to use for building their cars  AND France WILL fit the bill for converting that plant if they choose to move there...

If Europe surpasses the USA for electric car sales along with China...Tesla might bolt out of the US...with little money involved as I imagine England or some Nordic country would court them with France...

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Just now, oldshurst442 said:

I aint arguing there!

But...Tesla could move their headquarters to another country. Sure the mega battery factory will still be in the States, but they could move their headquarters elsewhere...and France...

France already has told Tesla they use one of their old Nuclear electricity producing plants to use for building their cars for free if they choose to move there...

If Europe surpasses the USA for electric car sales along with China...Tesla might bolt out of the US...with little money involved as I imagine England or some Nordic country would court them with France...

I could really see the French doing this.

But they would have to be willing to have a long term cash infusion to get the three to market.

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oldshurst442    1,044
1 minute ago, A Horse With No Name said:

I could really see the French doing this.

But they would have to be willing to have a long term cash infusion to get the three to market.

I think they are willing.

Tesla could boost their own flagging car industry.

Tesla could put a boost in their industry.

Maybe at the expense of Citroen or Peugeot or Renault?

It don't matter. If their car industry could still employ Frenchies...and their factories don't end up being vacant....

Germany has put a strangle hold on many European car manufacturing countries...

Letn us not go too far into this...

Bottom line is that Europe and its people are looking into the future to try to better their transport and pollution.

To better the lives of every European.

To live in a European Dream.

 

 

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I think the crumbling EU and the rise of infighting among European countries wills end shock waves through the European auto industry. Plus a lot of people will want to move production out of England now that they are no longer part of the EU.

Interesting times!

I am almost wondering if the electric car revolution in America will come through local means.  cities tend to be much more politically liberal than rural areas, i could see cities taking the lead on charging networks.

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oldshurst442    1,044
6 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

I think the crumbling EU and the rise of infighting among European countries wills end shock waves through the European auto industry. Plus a lot of people will want to move production out of England now that they are no longer part of the EU.

Interesting times!

I did not think of the Brexit...I forgot about it...OOPSIES!

but it sure is an interesting time...

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Wings4Life(BANNED)    1,000,000

Americans will embrace EV when someone produces an EV without massive limitations and cost.  Until then, automakers can offer them in minimalist numbers, losing thousands each sale, because of unrealistic CAFE mandates.

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dfelt    1,865

Wrote a whole piece in the alternative forum about the west coast electric highway.

http://westcoastgreenhighway.com/electrichighway.htm

I can tell you all that the High Tech Industry is all for electric auto's and with the Chevy BOLT here, Nissan Leaf 2.0 in a year, Hyundai Ionic here now and the Tesla 3 in 2018, I seriously do not see Trump derailing this.

Trump can and would win many supporters if he supported the US building a 350kW infrastructure in North America. Canada and Mexico would jump on board and we could have a new Industrial revolution.

Just think about the new smarter Electric grid and the new charging stations, you can still have that coffee stop, plug in the auto, grab your Starbucks and 15 min later out the door back on the road after hitting the head.

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oldshurst442    1,044

Wings...this is about the EV infrastructure...in Europe...

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And yes...If the US would embark on building a 350kW infrastructure in North America. Canada and Mexico would jump on board and we could have a new Industrial revolution...

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oldshurst442    1,044

DOW is up in record high numbers....HA!!!

 

De-regulation in the 1980s by the guy you have in the pic there started a greed on Wall Street that continues on today...

I cringe when I hear anything coming out of Wall Street because I simply don't trust ANYTHING they say...

Ford of Europe and GM of Europe's shares probably went up...which benefits Detroit headquarters...but that is good for Europe's future not America's...

 

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9 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

That is too funny and yet Coral Sea is a dead boat in the history books. Still funny to read. :P

14,893 charging stations in the US is still nothing to sneeze at!

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I just hope I can buy an EV 4WD with 42 inch tires because it is getting deep in here...and I am not talking about the level of intellectual discussion...

I wonder if bullshit conducts electricity.....might have to worry about shorting out the batteries....

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16 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

I just hope I can buy an EV 4WD with 42 inch tires because it is getting deep in here...and I am not talking about the level of intellectual discussion...

I wonder if bullshit conducts electricity.....might have to worry about shorting out the batteries....

Here are some 4wd EV options for you.

http://newatlas.com/zoomability-zoom-off-road-wheelchair/36082/

This might be more up your road!

https://www.alke.com/4wd-vehicles

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1 hour ago, dfelt said:

Here are some 4wd EV options for you.

http://newatlas.com/zoomability-zoom-off-road-wheelchair/36082/

This might be more up your road!

https://www.alke.com/4wd-vehicles

Neat.....I love EV's!  And thank you for bringing us back on topic, sir. You have my respect!

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26 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Neat.....I love EV's!  And thank you for bringing us back on topic, sir. You have my respect!

EV devices like these 4wd chairs can really sell people on the whole EV movement IMHO.

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Just now, dfelt said:

EV devices like these 4wd chairs can really sell people on the whole EV movement IMHO.

One thing in the favor of VV's is we have not seen a reversal of demand, rather demand has grown steadily and persistently.  Better a slow, rational transformation than everyone on the band wagon all at once and then the technology disappoints.

Personal computers were slow to catch on at first also....!

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Wings4Life(BANNED)    1,000,000

olds,

I had three prior posts in this thread, two of which directly related to the topic, one made fun of you and your joke, and you sir, are the one who is all over the map with your topics.

 

And FYI, since YOU went there and YOU brought it up, Detroit is turning out to be the comeback story of the decade.

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