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30 years ago at the U of Michigan my PhD advisor had a dark green '93 Bonneville w/ the tan leather interior.. I don't recall the trim level or engine, but it was a nice car..rode in it a couple times to dinner/etc. He also had a white '92-ish GMC Jimmy 4dr (the square S15-based one). He's now the president of Carnegie Mellon U.

I would totally drive a red or black Bonneville with the tan leather interior... like '93 - '95. I'd want the SSEi for the supercharged 3800, but I wouldn't turn down the regular 3800.

These were awesome engines, just needed a huge engine bay as any straight-line engine needs. I call BS on this, I feel that if you cannot respect the cost of taking care of your truck and to me abuse it by damaging it, then your just lazy and clearly have no idea about how to use tools properly. I have heavily used my trucks, SUVs and CARs and never babied them, but always kept them looking sharp. Yes, accidents happen and sometimes when one is tired you might put a scratch on it, but this truck has just been abused by someone that does not care. His statement of a Truck you're afraid to beat-up is no longer a truck is BS, you do not need to beat up a truck to still have it as a useful tool. A person who abuses their vehicles tells me a ton about their approach to how they work and live and they are just lazy and do not care. Do you really want a person like that working with you or doing work for you when they cannot take any pride in their own tools, makes one question if they would really take any pride in their job, products they do, etc.

In both cases its the cycle that humans let run for decades. Neither party is innocent, go back to the year I was born Americans were bombing kids in Vietnam and the Chinese were enslaving children and adults in the cultural revolution and the Marxist garbage in China. The thing that disgusts me is that I think we have more economic and political liberty to change the situation and it persists, so, in my calculus having more ability to change and not changing is worse. One of my favorite philosophers is Simone Weil. She was highly skeptical of both Capitalism and Marxism, and doubted that humans were in many cases capable of grand change or collective action. I am kind of with her on this. Thank you for being sane and reasoned, and putting up with the bitching on the left from all of us here. We now return you to this forum, where our love of dashboard plastic matches the love JD Vance feels for living room furniture. In Sport mode, the Camry will move, and the Turbo 4 in the Ranger has not disappointed me. 131,000 miles on that beast, has run well so far...knock on wood. They were damn fine vehicles. The last of them are rotting to oblivion and running their final miles here in Ohio. Sad to see them go. The Big Buicks were the best of the lot IMHO. The Camry and Ranger are both easy for me to park in the city, even parallel park. A dually pickup truck would not be so easy though.

Heh heh..I'm 55.. can't believe 60 is so close. After 25+ years of mostly driving Grand Cherokees, I do enjoy driving my Cadillac sedan. But it is a handful in tight parking lots due to the overall length, long wheelbase and AWD. Had to make a few 25 point turns in tight parking lots in Beaufort, SC and Savannah GA on my vacation....as I was driving around those cities with their colonial-era narrow streets I was wondering what it was like in the 60s-80s with the huge and downsized but still huge B-bodies, C-bodies that were common then... a lot more scratched bumpers and door dings then, I suppose. I have no idea how people park full size double cab/crew cab pickups in cities, but I see a lot of it.

This is where I need the meme from the movie Clue where Professor Plum yells out. "I've got news for you! We're already there!" I think I might make one.

This one for me ... no spoiler, nice color, but the cladding was a bit much, though. I'm guessing it was designed from scratch and does not share the greenhouse of the previous model. Busy but interesting dashboard. This would have been a car bought second hand by a diner waitress in or near Redding, California that she would drive while holding her cigarette out the window.

335hp and a 10spd auto. It's only turning like 2000-2500 rpm at 70 cruising on flat terrain. And has AFM, so sometimes running on 4 cyl only. I have to watch myself passing...pull out to around a truck, stomp on the gas and I'm doing 85-90 pretty quickly. I try and use the cruise control a lot.

Fun people know how to laugh at themselves. Italians are funny people, they are great to poke fun at, and they can usually laugh at themselves. I forgot how funny this scene was. This whole movie was one of those timeless gems from happier times.

The Jeep is very easy to park... shorter wheelbase (114.8 in) and overall length than the Caddy (16 inches shorter)...and it's shorter than a typical late model Accord or Camry. The big mirrors and back up camera help overcome the thick pillars and small windows. My old GC was even easier, it was 8 inches shorter w/ larger side windows.. The Caddy averages about 27-30 mpg on flat roads w/ cruise control set around 70...though lower on I-77 through WV and VA with lot of mountains and passing of slow moving trucks.. loads of power for passing in the mountains.

Relax ... sixty is the new forty!

I am very happy for you. I've had a few as rentals and even reviewed one here. The exterior is more attractive, the ergonomics of the interior are better, and it keeps its 2.5 engine, but adds (an) electric motor(s). Sounds like a plan! - - - - - I am extremely unhappy with domestic automakers that not a single sedan for everyday people is anywhere to be found in their portfolio of offerings. I think that there would be a market for one good one, and not necessarily a "rental agency darling."

My understanding is the Grand will continue for a while as the gas powered option. That said, I kinda like this based on pics, but it depends on the interior quality which has been lacking in Toyotas lately. It's got the range required.

I mean, even the regular sport models can skedaddle faster than anyone should be skedaddling. The Magma versions are going to be insane. Boost mode in the existing models makes you feel like a cartoon character. Boost mode in the Magma will launch you into low earth orbit and you'll knock out some of Elon's Starlink satellites.

A7 is tecnically a hatch. but correct on the rest. We were only counting sedans.

Altima and A8 are canceled or at the end of their production runs without being replaced. There is no more challenger, that was a coupe anyway You missed Ioniq 6N and coming BMW i3 Neue Klasse

There are still some options for car folks: Kia compact K4 Kia mid-size K5 Gensis Compact G70 Genesis Mid-size G80 Genesis full size G90 Toyota mid-size Camry Honda compact Civic Honda mid-size Accord Hyundai compact Elantra Hyundai mid-size Sonata Hyundai mid-size Ioniq 6N Nissan compact Sentra Nissan mid-size Altima Cadillac compact CT4 Cadillac mid-size CT5 Dodge mid-size Charger Mercedes compact C-Class Mercedes Mid-size E-Class Mercedes Full size S- Class BMW compact 3 series BMW Mid-size 5 Series BMW Full-size 7 series BMW i3 Neue Klasse Audi Compact A4 Audi mid-size A6 Audi full size A8 Tesla Compact Model 3 Lucid Mid-size Air If your in Canada or Mexico there are more car options especially from Kia in regard to their new EVs. One could consider buying and importing it into the U.S. Note: Updated list to remove a retired car and add five missed cars.

This is a new platform over the previous body, yes. It's Aurora based and between the two, I'd go with an Aurora of this generation.

Three volumes gives you plenty more to work with artistically.

The simple modern three box sedan ages remarkable well because it never claims to be doing something it isn't.

The mid sized GM cars of that Era do it more than the full size, although the full size cars had a grace and class unlike anything built today. But give me a cutty, swivel buckets, am 8 track, and lots of endless highway. Will take that all day every day. This ages very well. Some people I like at first, and dislike more and more as time goes on. Some people, I dislike and grow to like. This has gone for me from Meh, cool but not like the old stuff to "Fantastic"

I'm very limited with my Bonneville years. Liked '88 onward, but only '90 and '91 with the color block tail lamps. Then, anything 2000 until the curtain fell on the Bonne, in LE trim but with buckets/console and the base alloys. It would be a 3800, but sadly only Series II. I especially liked the last Bonneville ... and its unique rear tail lamp assembly. - - - - - I forgot ... how can I forget the '75 and '76 Grand Ville Brougham or Bonneville Brougham coupe with a landau roof and the typical Pontiac rally wheels of that era? 400 c.i. V8 and up, so no thanks to that.

Interesting about Pep Boys..I had no idea. There aren't any in my area, looks like they have a few locations down in Youngstown and in Central Ohio around Columbus. Auto Zone, Advance and O'Reilly are my locals. I tend to prefer O'Reilly, if only because I worked on their inventory system for a while on a project when the consulting firm I was at in Arizona had them as a client.

Always liked those old Dodges...I learned to drive in the mid 80s in a '79 Dodge Power Wagon 4x4 short wide box pickup my Dad had. Very numb steering--no on center feel at all, bouncy suspension, would stall on left turns. Was very clean w/ like 25k miles..silver green inside and out.

Always liked the 00s Impalas..had many as rentals when I lived in Colorado then Arizona and would travel back to Ohio and elsewhere in the Midwest and East...along w/ Intrepids and 300Ms, Grand Marquis, Town Cars and the occasional DeVille/DTS (and drove my sister's 00 DTS a lot). Don't recall having had a Buick as a rental, but always liked the looks of the 90s-00s Park Avenues..

I love that movie, it Rocks!!!

Having driven a pickup truck for six years straight, and a string of sports cars before that (although I had the TDI Jetta) it's really nice to just drive a comfortable sedan. But then again, I am sixty damn years old.

Another neat Buick collonade variation was the '76 Century Indy Pace Car replica...t-tops, rear spoiler, covered quarter windows.

That canted grille was also used on the base midsize Buick in '76-77, badged as Century Special with the fastback roofline and big quarter windows..those were neat, haven't seen one in forever..

United, AA, & Delta are horror stories for me. I pretty much stick with Alaska Airlines now. Hate the cattle car approach of Southwest and Frontier was a one and done of dirtiness and I was ridiculed by the flight folks for wiping down my table and space with anti-septic wipes to have a cleaner space. Shocking how dirty it was, so pretty much one can call me an air snob if you want, but for what we pay for a ticket, one should expect clean planes and polite service. I always check a bag as my clothes are just way too big to fit in that tiny carry on and with the continued reduction in carry on size, not going to fight over overhead space.

I never check bags if I can avoid it, so not an issue for me. I get their plus something something so I'm usually at the front of the line (haven't flown them since they dropped the cattle call, though). Unless it's over 1000 miles, though, I prefer to travel by Cadillac..I really enjoy road trips and really dislike air travel anymore...

I don't know how it is now, but I regularly flew Frontier when I lived in Denver and they were based there. Frontier was fine then..don't know about now. I've flown Southwest a lot over the last 25+ years. My most recent flights (last year to Denver) were on SW. American I use for work trips to Plano. As far as the major US carriers, I like Delta.

What I was really going to say: I've never seen peace in the Middle East and I don't expect to ever see it. It's very sad. The wiring is about 180 degrees from that encountered in present day Finland and Sweden. Just saying.

Drove great on vacation.... really a great road trip car, soaks up the miles..I had mostly short days--25-300 miles, but one day (Asheville, NC to home outside Cleveland, Oh) was 550 miles... fast, smooth and comfortable. Getting decent gas mileage also. I ran into a retired couple from Michigan in Macon, GA in the hotel parking lot one morning--they have an identical 2019 CT6 with 148k miles! Mine is at 63k now. Hours of rolling along, mostly streaming a 1990s grunge soundtrack (Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Stone Temple Pilots, Temple of the Dog, Mad Season, Alice In Chains, etc) and some later Pearl Jam, Foo Fighters and Audioslave...reliving the music of my 20s-30s.

Yes, one can never sneeze at 49mpg or more when it saves one money. I am keeping my eye on the Scout as they have already announced that it will be a pure 800V EV / EREV Truck / SUV. The only unanswered question is will they support AA / CP? The EV Scout Truck / SUV will have a minimum of 300 miles of range on a charge and the EREV will have 500 plus. So many of my coworkers have already placed deposits for the EREV model. Yet with that said, my wife and I are past the point of camping on the ground, in a tent, etc. We love the outdoors, but would rather stay in a hotel or book a house for the family and enjoy the outdoors and come back to a hot shower, house to have dinner in, play games with the kids and enjoy a more relaxing setup. As such, my kids and I now plan yearly outings where we book a house and still enjoy hiking, fishing, etc. but on a more luxury level. SCOUT Options Scout Motors

As a former Miata owner, I agree.

Such a sad state of the Auto Industry as the rest of the world is getting new models, from EVs to Hybrids to discuss. America is now a Dictatorship Fascist state that we have just about nothing new. So Sad!!!

Good morning: "Presidential material?!?" LOL

"For 2027, if customers would like battery electric, we have the Highlander, and if they prefer gas, hybrid or hybrid Max, we have the Grand Highlander," a Toyota spokesperson confirmed at an event in Ojai, California, on Tuesday.

AI is a pill. Too bad, that could have been a beauty with a real car. I remember that AI Cutlass Supreme "amended" with that split grille found on full-size Oldsmobiles. There's some weird stuff going on in the opera window and at the rear, but I can't say that the grille is all that bad. I wonder how many of our members drew or sketched cars when they were kids or teens. *raises hand* Now, above is a real '82 Cutlass Calais with a 260 c.i. (4.3 L) V8. They saved the more elaborate egg crate grille in '82 for the Brougham and the Calais. Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

Good morning This is what I really wanted to share. That's what Californians do ... share. Maybe not museum grade, but it works well. I don't know if that's a Ford, an AMC, or an old Buick Skylark!

Thank you, I updated the list as I totally forgot about Genesis cars. There are still some options for car folks: Kia compact K4 Kia mid-size K5 Gensis Compact G70 Genesis Mid-size G80 Genesis full size G90 Toyota mid-size Camry Lexus mid-size ES Honda compact Civic Honda mid-size Accord Hyundai compact Elantra Hyundai mid-size Sonata Hyundai mid-size Ioniq 6N Nissan compact Sentra Nissan mid-size Altima Cadillac compact CT4 Cadillac mid-size CT5 Dodge mid-size Charger Mercedes compact C-Class Mercedes Mid-size E-Class Mercedes Full size S- Class BMW compact 3 series BMW Mid-size 5 Series BMW Full-size 7 series BMW i3 Neue Klasse Audi Compact A4 Audi mid-size A6 Audi full size A8 Tesla Compact Model 3 Lucid Mid-size Air If your in Canada or Mexico there are more car options especially from Kia in regard to their new EVs. One could consider buying and importing it into the U.S. Note: Updated list to remove a retired car and add five missed cars.

There are certainly some "in the area", but I really don't know where one is. It's really just a wait and see for Scout, for me. As much as I'd love one, this feels like it may be the biggest hurdle to get over. Price is pretty cut and dry, can I afford it or not? Where or how will I get it serviced, because it isn't set in stone right now, is an issue. I also don't know which I'd get, the SUV or truck? My first instinct says the SUV, but I'd love the bed of a truck. I only need two rows of seats so even if the SUV offered a 3rd row(I haven't looked into or remember if it does or not), I'd leave it flat more likely anyway. Okay, well I googlemaped Pep Boys and they are NOT in the STL area. I feel like they used to be, because I remember the commercials, but they certainly are not anymore.

I’ve been busy, and it’s a few days late, but here is what will probably be the penultimate edition of “Cheers and Jeers.” Next year will be the 25th edition, and that seems to be the right time to put this to rest or for someone else to carry on with it. Cheers! For the first time in the history of the United States, a convicted felon was sworn into office as President, and he wasted no time on his priorities of revenge, retribution, illegal immigration, dirty energy, and gutting DEI policies and subsidized healthcare, and generally making people sicker. With tariffs used to punish perceived enemies and the longest federal government shutdown in history, chaos and economic uncertainty reigned. The Department of Government Efficiency, led by Elon Musk, was a bust, with either miniscule savings or net cost increases. Worldwide turmoil continued with wars in the Middle East between Israel and the Palestinians, and the Russia-Ukraine conflict continued. In the beginning of the year, the Palisades fire in the Los Angeles area destroyed nearly 7,000 structures, and resulted in 12 deaths and damage in the $100 billion range. Towards the end of the year, the horrifying Wang Fuk Court fire in a Hong Kong apartment complex killed 161 people. 2025 will not be the warmest year on record, but the second or third warmest, as the El Niño conditions that contributed to the record heat in 2024 was not replicated for 2025. Prominent passings included actors Robert Redford, Malcolm-Jamal Warner, Diane Keaton, and Gene Hackman, director Rob Reiner, and musicians Ozzy Osbourne, Roberta Flack, and Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys. Other passings included conservative political activist Charlie Kirk, former Vice President Dick Cheney, Pope Francis, fashion designer Giorgio Armani, primatologist Jane Goodall, wrestler Hulk Hogan, and boxer and kitchen appliance spokesperson George Foreman. In automotive news, the $7,500 electric vehicle tax credit expired at the end of September, and fines for not meeting Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards were eliminated. Against the EV headwinds, automakers made significant adjustments to their future product portfolios by substantially scaling back EVs and investing instead on hybrids and range extenders. Tariffs resulted in some production being shifted to the U.S., and some prices were raised, but manufacturers for the most part absorbed the tariffs and will take major earnings hits. Stellantis brought back the Hemi V8 to the RAM pickup, due to popular demand, after the Hurricane inline-six that had replaced it a couple of years ago did not catch on. The Hemi will also be brought back to the Dodge Charger. With great fanfare, Tesla debuted robotaxi service with safety drivers in downtown Austin, Texas in June. There were at least eight reported crashes over the next 6 months, even with the safety drivers. Lucid is busy getting their midsize EV offerings ready to market, and Rivian likewise with the more affordable R2 model. Toyota repositioned the Century model into an ultra luxury brand above Lexus to be sold in select Lexus dealerships. Jaguar fired their lead designer, Gerry McGovern, one year after their bold Type 00 concept reveal and heavily criticized rebranding effort. In December, Mercedes-Benz announced that their Chief Design Officer, Gordon Wagener, is leaving the company the following month after 28 years with the company. In a rare instance of the Chinese government taking the lead on a vehicle safety issue, with some occupants unable to exit Teslas and Xiaomis on fire, backup mechanical mechanisms will be mandatory for electronic interior or exterior door handles in 2027 and 2028 in the Chinese market. With globalization, that will likely lead to changes to EVs sold elsewhere. Vehicles canceled prior to the New Year include the Acura TLX and ZDX, Cadillac XT4 and XT6, Chevrolet Malibu, Ford Escape and related Lincoln Corsair, Infiniti QX50 and QX55, Kia Soul, Lexus RC, Nissan Versa, Porsche Boxster and Cayman, Subaru Legacy, and the Volvo S60 and S90. The Ford F-150 Lightning made it to the 2026 model year but is already out of production for good as a fully electric pickup. There were several concept vehicles in 2025, but none was particularly notable. New vehicle introductions were sparse. Against that backdrop, here’s the 24th annual edition of Cheers and Jeers for the best and worst things automotive in 2025: Cheers to BMW for the Best New EV with the iX3 for providing class-leading technology and a reset to BMW styling. The “Neue Klasse” design dials back a lot of the excessive surface excitement of recent years. Honorable mention to GM for bringing back the Chevrolet Bolt with more modern technology, faster charging, and an affordable price in a familiar package. The vehicle will be a limited edition offering, but it was also revealed that there will be a family of Bolts, without further elaboration. Jeers to the Tesla Board for Worst Corporate Governance for failing to rein in Elon Musk, who seems to be doing a good job of making people not want to buy Teslas, and for providing an absurdly excessive pay package. Tesla is losing the carbon credits paid for by other manufacturers, who have previously provided billions of dollars of revenue, and future profitability is uncertain. With an aging lineup and the spectacularly unsuccessful Cybertruck, Tesla is betting it all on autonomy. Jeers to Mercedes-Benz for the Worst Luxury Vehicle Interiors with their focus on massive screens rather than cohesive style, material quality, or build quality. Mercedes-Benz has become a shadow of its former self when they used to be “Engineered like no other car in the world.” Cheers to Kia for Best Non-SUV Introduction with the K4 hatchback, which makes the compact K4 much more attractive and functional than the awkwardly styled sedan. Kia is on a roll with record-breaking sales the last three years. Honorable mention goes to Honda for the Prelude in the near-dead sports coupe market. The new Prelude has not been embraced by performance enthusiasts, but the Prelude was never about all-out performance. The Prelude is being marketed to middle aged to older buyers wanting to relive the glory of their youth. Jeers to the Honda dealers who have been tacking on $15k market adjustments. Cheers to Cadillac for the Best Luxury EV Lineup with the Optiq, Lyriq, Vistiq, and Escalade IQ. Cadillac has been successful reinventing itself. The lineup is far from perfect, with charging speeds that are not class-leading and excessive heft, but the vehicles are proof that a legacy automaker can be successful in the EV realm, at least until Chinese EVs are unleashed on American soil. Cheers and Jeers for the Best and Worst Rebadge Job with the Nissan Rogue Plug-In Hybrid. Mitsubishi has only about 300 dealerships in the U.S, compared to Nissan with about three and a half times as many. The Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is a decent 7-passenger SUV with about 7,000 sales in the U.S. every year. Nissan is broke and desperate for fresh product to fill gaps in its lineup. The Outlander is based on the Nissan Rogue, but Nissan chose to take the cost-effective move of making only minor trim changes to the Outlander PHEV to turn it into a Nissan. It will serve its purpose. Jeers to the Federal Government for the Most Regressive Sustainability Move by attempting to pull back National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure (NEVI) funds and removing EV chargers from federal government facilities in their all-out quest to promote the consumption of petroleum. As the rest of the world electrifies their fleets, the long-term competitiveness of the American automakers will be diminished. Wishing everyone a safe, healthy, and prosperous New Year.

Got back Sunday from my 10 day vacation/road trip around the southeast. Had great weather, was good to get away from wintry NE Ohio. Visited several beaches, toured historic Beaufort SC and Savannah GA, explored the mountains of western NC, toured a couple museums (NASCAR Hall of Fame and Museum in Charlotte NC and The Big House/Allman Brothers Band Museum in Macon GA). My CT6 performed great on the 2100 mile trip, soaking up the miles comfortably. Saw a few interesting old cars including this unusual JDM RHD Toyota Crown Athlete wagon was parked next to me one morning outside my hotel in Wytheville, VA and this MGB GT in Beaufort, SC. A pic of my Caddy outside my hotel in Beaufort, SC and at a pull off up in the mountains near Cherokee, NC.

I got an Insta360 camera. It has a built in AI that removes the selfie stick from the image since it can see around it.

Went in for my annual service/oil change (about 5000 miles since the last one). Been parked most of the winter, weather been cold and snowy.. warming up and melting. Got a new set of tires last week (replaced the Bridgestone Potenzas with Firestone Firehawks), getting an oil change and new battery today--I think I had the original battery--after all the cold weather recently, noticed it was down to 10.3 volts when starting, but rising to 15.x after a few min. Want it in ship shape before my 10 vacation in two weeks..road trip down to Beaufort & Hilton Head, SC, Savannah and Macon GA and Asheville, NC.. After picking it up from the dealer, stopped for tacos near home. Still turn around and look at it after parking.. beautiful car.