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Both of my Grandfathers who lived into their late 90's always told us grand-kids the following motto: "Learn from History so that you do not repeat the mistakes of the past. Draw INSPIRATION from the past to make a better future by ongoing learning and strive to contribute to bringing a better quality of life to humanity!" Both were Marines who fought in WWII and a few other theaters and always felt the biggest mistake is when we cannot help humanity to have freedom and move forward into the future. Living in the past with stagnate ways of doing things is death to humans. My inspiration is to always find new ways to help others and improve quality of life. Technology has done that and with it many others have drawn inspiration to help people have a better quality of life. Hurrah!!! to the Future! Here is a perfect video showing why we learn from the past, move to the future and help all.

Except... not in the U.S.

Electrics will need to step up in terms of compactness and longevity, preferably sooner than later.

As a matter of fact @ocnblu, the trend has been moving upward towards the no haggle model and it’s not just the Costco/GM model which has been wildly successful. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicagotribune.com/autos/sc-end-dealer-haggling-autotips-1020-20161011-story.html%3foutputType=amp “People who remain stuck in the old ways or are complicit to the old ways, will always remain stuck while the rest of the world moves on.”

You are utterly clueless as to what we both are talking about. Saturn is terrible example of what’s being done now. It was still a dealership and it’s problem had not $h! to do with its “no haggle pricing” and everything to do with the product itself. Seriously man. Pay attention to the actual facts next time instead of just making up your own.

When you have actually read what I said and why I said it, then we can talk. Until then, like Drew said, this isn’t even for the US so you’re just spouting off about nothing as usual. For the record, this is a proper convertible and this is what you trade practicality for.

Another perfect slayed out explanation as to why Costco with their set prices have surpassed many dealers to become one of the largest dealers. People hate to deal with the haggle of sales at less than reputable dealerships.

And playing just for you and those out of date ways,

Only debatable to folks with out of date thinking and afraid to accept change ways. The rest of us know what’s coming and don’t have a problem with it. Good thing that little violin is still playing.

It's there to fill the gap between the bumper and body. That's probably a modern aftermarket Continental kit. Good day for old GM sightings... saw a clean white early Fiero GT, a clean white mid 80s Cutlass Supreme 2dr (white 1/4 top and red interior), a clean bronze early 80s Camaro Berlinetta, a clean black '67 Camaro, a clean yellow '75 Olds 88 convertible top down, tan interior...a couple out enjoying the beautiful Friday afternoon weather...

‘57 Skyliner retractible hardtop, built ‘57-59. The horizontal, ribbed panels are just filler panels; pretty positive you can’t stand on them or they'd dent.

Yeah- this is one of the historic red flags for me and the downturn of GM; when Chevrolet moved toward offering a 'poor man's Cadillac' stylistically. One can point to the '58 Impala (tho the Impy quickly got toned down), but in the early '70s, the big Chevys started to look too upscale from their station.

I am so thinking of getting another Miata.

Sure, they have 4 sedans to sell. I won’t miss the death of the GLC coupe or GLA if that happens.

"I can’t wait til this crossover craze blows up in all their faces." Does that include Mercedes Benz?

Oh good, not only will there be QX30, QX40, QX50, QX60, etc But now we can have QX45, QX55, QX65, etc. The car companies are desperate to get crossover coupes on the market. I can’t wait til this crossover craze blows up in all their faces.

The return of the Infiniti FX, gone since 2013. I hope that this is the first Infiniti with an infotainment system that belongs in 2020 not 2010. I still do not understand why anyone would want a CUV with a coupe roof.

That roof line says I have little headroom for people over 5'6" tall. ?

Exactly my point. Not every damn thing out there needs a drop top and sure as hell not a CUV. Oh and that last pic is the convertible I would have only in black with a white ragtop and red leather interior. ‘59 please. Wildly popular? I know you are not talking about the Dakota Convertible. From an article that took all of eight seconds to find. “A scant 2842 adventurous souls took Dodge up on its top-down Dakota offer that year. For 1990, even with the addition of four-cylinder trucks and the color blue to the paint options, sales fell to just 909.” Source (and proving how not everything needs or should have a drop top). https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2018/06/27/1989-91-dodge-dakota-sport-convertible

Assumption is what you made and the first 3 letters is what a person is when they make those Assumption's about a person. I DO NOT hate convertibles or any open top auto and just because I have a Silicon nose bridge and my cheeks from my face now cover my nose due to cancer, I still do not hate them or being out in the sun. I am more cautous about being in the sun, but there is really only ever been a real convertible and that was built in the early years when size did not matter and you could have a real convertible and @balthazar has shown us many lovely REAL convertibles. The only one I really love and was driven by the one man I have always drawn inspiration from Arnold Schwarzenegger is this: 1957 Cadillac Convertible that he has owned since he bought it. Second most lovely convertible is the Cadillac Convertible Eldorado he drove in his 1985 movie Commando: Even though it was FWD. Course I have always had a soft spot for this lovely Cadillac Convertible: 62 series Cadillac Eldorado Convertible. In regards to the Dakota pickup truck convertible, it was a cool concept poorly executed and they could have done much better if they wanted.

It’s a special song for folks who complain about progress and change.

We will see if VW can have its cake and eat it too. I do hope that VW has abandoned its fraudulent ways.

Negotiating an agreement is not a sign of being corrupt. Charging more for the same item another seller does isn't either. When Snap On sells a ratchet that performs identical to another for quadruple the price, are they 'less than reputable'? BTW : Costco may also be 'corrupt' because it doesn't adhere to the same pricing other sellers do (never mind it may be lower). Isn't that how this snap judgment thing works?

You would know all about pishposh being an expert on the subject matter and all. He is not wrong. Dealers that do that are a joke and in this day and age, it is pretty damn easy to make dealerships regret the practice of overcharging just because they can. For all of Tesla’s flaws, their sales model will eventually spread to others who will get tired of these shady dealers that do nothing but make potential customers run far away from thus killing the bottom line of the manufacturers for which they sell. People are slowly but surely seeing through the tactic and eventually, the rules will change, pishposh and all.

And then after three or four years, Volvo will be forced to cut at least five of those models because of low or nonexistent sales.

They can start with the crossovers that are so popular these days, especially at Cadillac.

It will be interesting to see how the performance compares to cars like the Ferrari 488. In Z51 spec the estimated 0-60 time sounds in the same range, but over $200k less... It's in the 718 Boxster/Cayman price range, but potentially playing at a higher level...

What a bitchass travesty, to use the legendary COPO designation with an "e" in front of it.

Thank you for the birthday wishes! I appreciate it!

Really like this pic. Fleetwood Series 60 Special in the background- note the vinyl roof. Cadillac started this feature on the '56 Eldorado Seville… and when NOT padded / using small back windows or enlarged C-Pillars, it looks really classy / luxurious IMO.

Surreal, how many times has this been tried? Saturn is a prime example, but there have been others. The only thing dfelt can do is buy his new Corvette (and never take the top off) from a dealer who does not price gouge. This is plenty powerful enough. Simple. Done.

And you talk about others' READING COMPREHENSION? Makes perfect sense

Easily debatable when it comes to crappy electric cars and their ilk. I'm seeing much more Oldsmobile than Cadillac in this. With Pontiac headlights. A mishmash of all things GM at the time... but mostly it looks like the '71 Oldsmobile Delta 88. A little out of tune, but we're not singers around these here parts.

We get it. You hate convertibles, or any open top vehicle. Because "the sun". But there are others who enjoy them. The Dakota convertible was built during a time when Chrysler Corporation spearheaded an industry-wide convertible renaissance. And they sold a lot of them, company-wide, for many years. They burst the convertible market wide open and let some fresh air in. Surreal, a convertible has ALWAYS been a trade-off. They are for people who willingly take the trade in practicality for the freedom of open-air driving. This T-Roc continues a very long Volkswagen tradition of catering to these individuals... who are willing to sacrifice ultimate practicality for enjoyable motoring.