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And... https://www.automobilemag.com/news/porsche-corvette-racing-withdraw-24-hours-le-mans/

Genesis: starting something since time began!

WRONG, Airbus just now has an efficient plant that beats the 777. BOEING has Built a far more efficient plane, the Dream Liner 787 that Airbus has NOTHING to compete with. Airbus FAILED as they tried to beat the 747 and while building an 800 plus people carrying cesspool of germs in a plane a380 that is so INEFFICIENT that most plane companies are writing them off. Production is over, where the 747 is still in production. So YOU ARE WRONG WRONG WRONG Back to cars

If Genesis is still going ahead w/ the coupe, then it'll be a 7 model lineup. If the Mint and Essentia concepts get the greenlight, it would be 9, w/ likely another dedicated BEV or 2 added at a later date. Wouldn't exactly say German Big 3, as least not here in the US. For much of its run, the Genesis sedan/G80 has outsold the A6, and when the new model hits, should do so again, and the G90 has been outselling the A8. Too early yet for Genesis to launch a performance division, so a Sport model/trim will have to do. As the new G80 is getting a Sport trim, the GV80 may get one as well. But something the size/weight of the GV80 is not really suited for performance as is the smaller GV70; think a 420+ HP GV70 should be enough power/performance to satisfy most. For those who want more, there's the eGV70 (can't beat instant torque from a BEV system). But the eGV70 (not being based on a dedicated BEV platform) likely won't have the performance chops of the dedicated EV Genesis CUV. Like the production version of Kia's Imagine CUV, should have Taycan level performance (sub 3s 0-60 time) - using the same electric propulsion as the Porsche (Porsche and HMG both have an ownership stake in Rimac which oversees their performance electrics). Would that be quick enough for you? As already stated, the GV80 already has nearly 10k pre-orders. Add a more powerful Sport trim and the electric - should attract more buyers. The Q7 did 34.6k in sales last year. Once the GV80 gets all its variations/powertrains, don't think 28k-32k in sales is unreasonable (assuming, of course, things get back to normal, or close to it).

We've stated this ad nauseum. And it really proves nothing. And more name changes are to come. The EVs at Cadillac will have proper names. The Escalade shal;; remain Escalade. The 2 steps forward 3 steps back at Cadillac is real. Fair enough. But, most of what you post is fiction loosely based on facts. Mostly outdated opinions you still hold... Mostly irrelevant and trivial nonsense you hold against GM but dont hold the same standards for Mercedes. You give a pass to Mercedes.

Agree w/ everything until the CT4 and CT5 part. In developing the ATS (and Alpha platform), Mark Reuss wanted to badly beat the 3 Series at its own game. Problem was, Reuss benchmarked the E90 3 Series 109" WB), when he should have known that the next 3er was going to get larger (which it did w/ the F30 - 110.6" WB). The WB of the ATS (109.3" WB) was almost identical to that of the E90. So by the time the ATS went into production in 2012, it was already being outclassed by the F30 which went into production a year earlier in 2011. Further exacerbating things, Reuss and the engineers working on the ATS made it so that handling prowess was maximized at the expense of trunk space. In terms of passenger/trunk space, the ATS was more in line w/ something like the A3 (and now the A Class) than the A4 and C Class. As an aside, the Alpha platform is the gift that keeps on giving - the 3G CTS was also tighter when it came to passenger space than its competition (5 Series/E Class) and when the Camaro switched over to the Alpha, interior room got squeezed and sales tanked (the ancient Challenger, w/ its copious amount of passenger space in comparison, started to outsell the Camaro, and by a good margin at that). The CT4 is not the replacement for the ATS. The CT4 has the exact same WB as the ATS (109.3" WB). Why would Cadillac make the exact same mistake again for its compact/entry-level offering? Yes, the CT4 is longer in overall length (187.2" compared to 182.8"), but that's pretty much all behind the rear axle - which was necessary to provide enough rear headroom w/ the new sloping roofline. Like you had stated, the ATS-L should have replaced the ATS here in the US, but its WB is 112.6", making it a good bit roomier in the passenger compartment than the CT4, but there would have been a political price to pay for importing it from China and it wasn't worth the cost of tooling a plant here to produce it. The CTS was on a different platform that was longer (114.6" WB) and wider than the WB for the ATS-L. Furthermore, why would Cadillac drop the price of its compact/entry-level offering (if it were the CT4) down to $32,995? That's a whopping $6k lower than the base price of the ATS ($38,995) which was already priced below the 3 Series ($40,750) and the C Class ($41,400). That $32,995 price of the CT4 is below that of the A Class ($33,650), much less the CLA ($37,850) and they are FWD-based. So are you saying that Cadillac's brand cachet is so damaged, that its compact offering has to be priced below MB's FWD subcompact offerings, and around $8,500 below the C Class? That's also below the base price of the Acura TLX ($33,000), another FWD model. As for the CT5, it starts at $36,895, lower than the price of the ATS. Why in the heck would Cadillac's newest mid-segment offering be priced lower than its old compact offering? And that's $17k below the price of the E Class ($54,050). The new G80 is expected to start around $46k-48k ($47k, btw, is where the CTS starts), so Cadillac has to undercut Genesis by $10k as well? None of that makes any sense. But it's not just that; spent plenty of time on a Cadillac forum which included input from an insider who had access to Cadillac's future roadmap and read pretty much everything JdN had stated about his plans for Cadillac. Like I had stated before, Cadillac went back to the strategy of the 2G CTS in providing more room than the competition, which also did away w/ the need for a separate LWB variants for China (JDN having focused on China as the market to drive increased volume). The planned sedan lineup was as follows: CT4 - sub-entry CT5 - compact/entry CT6 - midsize CT7/CT8 - flagship CT8/CT9 - uber-flagship The 2G CT6 was canceled, or at the very least, suspended. The Omega-based CT7/CT8 was canceled. The uber-flagship morphed into the Celestiq EV.

That above...about Cadillac...is not correct. The Catera is the car that started the RWD sports sedan entry for Cadillac. That was waaaay back in 1997. Johan was at Audi then. The Catera was roughly the size of a 1st gen CTS and 2nd gen CTS. The Catera would be the failed predecessor of the CTS. From the get go, the Catera was going to be the BMW 3 Series (4 door) rival. It was considerably bigger than the E36 Bimmer. Then Cadillac did the Arts and Science thing and decided to go to a more precise way to do a BMW 3 Series rival sedan. Changed the name to CTS. Cadillac at this time also wanted to do away with FWD sedans and changed their FWD Seville Touring Sedan and Seville Luxury Sedan (STS and SLS for short...and minor differences mainly 25 HP and 5 ft/lbs less for the SLS versus the STS amongst other trivial things) to a RWD STS. It was a couple of years now that Seville was retired to STS and SLS but with the RWD version, only STS was the nameplate. The STS was a BMW 5 Series competitor. Both the CTS and STS were slightly bigger than their rivals but slightly smaller than the next step up. What does that mean? The CTS was bigger than the 3 Series but smaller than a STS and BMW 5 Series. The STS was slightly bigger than the 5 Series but smaller than a BMW 7 Series. This lasted for another generation. But sometime during the 2nd gen CTS, the STS was canceled. The 3rd generation CTS arrived. But this CTS REPLACED the STS and an new entrant came to be. The ATS. Meaning, the CTS now is DIRECTLY competing with the BMW 5 Series in size as well. The ATS gets smaller than the 1st and 2nd gen CTS and is now the SAME size as the 3 Series Bimmer. ( The 4 Series Bimmer now also grew to be bigger....) OK...NOW....with ANOTHER name change... CADILLAC HAS GONE BACK to the original formula in that the CT4 is a tweener like the 1st and 2nd gen CTS was to the 3 Series Bimmer and a competitor to the 4 Series Bimmer which is slightly bigger than the 4 Series and the CT5 is slightly bigger than the 5 Series Bimmer but pricewise...Both Cadillacs are directly inline with their respective BMW rivals. Johan...wanted a car SMALLER than the ATS. That was scrapped I believe as there are no talks about it ever since he left Cadillac. And yes...RWD. Shyte! Cadillac has been in this RWD market sports sedan niche since 1997. That be 23 years. yes. Of coarse a smaller car than the ATS would be RWD. Cadillac has gone full out RWD performance for its CARS since the first CTS-V hit the streets in 2004... Their was even a failed XLR...Corvette borrowed chassis in that mix and a very real V12 mid engined concept car created that actually drove like a REAL production car. THAT is how serious Cadillac was for doing RWD performance cars.... And THAT is waaaaaay before Johan came in at Cadillac. All Johan did was continue the perfornce RWD trend. Nothing to do Johan stating he will do RWD in segments where the Japanese and Germans are going FWD. But EVERYTHING to do in continuing what Cadillac had started a decade plus before he came in... And THAT is why I said... WRONG Lets get our facts straight. PS: The ATS L in China was almost like an afterthought when Cadillac decided to start selling cars in China. That was AFTER the ATS development but was easy to do as the ATS rode on the Alpha platform. The bigger CTS rides on that platform too... The BIGGER mistake was NOT offering the ATS-L in North America. They had NOTHING to lose in doing so... BUT...Like you said OCN. Cadillac has an onslaught of EVs coming. But Ill bet a bigger selection of CUV and SUV EVs will be offered first and the sedan EVs will be limited. Maybe a CT6 sized or S Class sized Cadillac EV sedan will come to fruition and maybe a Tesla Model S competitor in a CT5 V EV will be produced, but not before an onslaught of EV CUVs...

OCN is correct on that prior post and CT4 and CT5 still ride on Alpha. I think Cadillac knew they had to cut price to survive. They made the right move pricing CT5 where they did. CTS was dying in sales, a $10k price cut was needed or there was no point in continuing. 5-series size for 3-series money is the only strategy that worked for Cadillac in the past 25 years.