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Basically, If GM was as poorly run as it was and it was the size of Chrysler or AMC in 1970, GM would have gone bust by 1980. Bad Management has ruined more companies and lives than anything in American capitalism. Just look at all the companies that have gone bankrupt in the last 15 years: all of them made major errors in management and everyone else paid for it, regardless of industry.

Can you blame them? The US looks deeply incompetent compared to most of the developed world when it comes to Covid-19.

Rumor has it that the Malibu will be dropped by 2023

Are you sure your not talking about DC? ? Same Shit different Capital.

Spark is made in S Korea. So without the Sonic, they will be down to 5 cars in the US (Spark, Malibu, Camaro, Corvette, Blot) 5 CUVs, 2 SUVs, and 2-3 truck families...

Small block Chevy. That should be a very familiar abbreviation around here...

Had my house custom built in '92; about $165K plus about $15K for my 24x48 shop. Already owned the 0.9 acre land - bought it from my in-laws for $1. Paid off the mortgage in 11 years, saved about $75K in interest vs. full term. Zillow says it's $480K now.

What was once the greatest has gone totally down the tubes. Ugh. GM, you need new leadership, STAT.

Well I'm a car geek too, but I would be embarrassed as heck yelling out to a stranger in traffic about their crank. Unless they were super hot. Like the time I was behind a lifted, redneck-ified Chevy pickup with aftermarket dual rear exit exhaust. One pipe was a few inches lower than the other, so I pulled up next to him and yelled "Hey buddy, you got one hangin' low!" He laughed.

Exactly. Who would buy a Mitsubishi these days when Hyundai/KIA could kick their rear ends so easily on almost anything at the same price?

Well...if this was a Charlie Brown cartoon This is what the USA looks like right about now... Time will come when we could play together again. But not now. Until then, Canada is happy going on at it by itself. Sorry.

Canada... 'fanning the flames of hate, fear & xenophobia' - some guy.

Thank you Mr. Rorschach

Yup. fix yer shyte! Do your homework, tidy your room, take out the trash, mow the lawn and walk the dog and then maybe we could go outside to play together.... Until then...

Seems Canada has decided they do not want us. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/8-in-10-canadians-want-border-with-us-to-remain-closed-due-to-virus-concerns-poll/ar-BB16uJ4T?ocid=msedgntp 8 in 10 Canadians want the border to remain closed to the US.

It’s possible that all ‘cars’ might disappear, except for mass-volume mainstreams ones, like toyoter, mercedes and BMW. Yes

Instead, GM NA gave us the Celebrity Eurosport...which was neither Euro nor Sport.

The Buick V6 is on Ward's 10 Best Engines of the 20th Century list, along w/ the SBC.

Ah... social distancing...

There's a '16 LTZ Turbo hatch here at Rancho Balthy. I find it a wholly competent, fun lil road rocket (138 HP). I drove the snot out of it when I picked it up in PA, was constantly going faster than I thought/intended. It's racking up the miles; currently doing about 36K per YEAR, but it is still tight. I think it's a shame to let it go.

GM needed new leadership from the 1970s. Got complacent. Got too big. Got too scared and greedy. Got too stupid to see that what they had was good if not great and all they needed to do was NOT to be CHEAP and UNDER-engineer. Cadillac needed a smaller, mid-sized European fighting luxury car. Too cheap to engineer from the ground up car so they chose a shytty mid-sized plebean platform car that even used F-Body underpinnings. 7 year old F-Body underpinnings at that. But were smart enough to spend the dough to at least re-engineer it as if it was a real Cadillac and it turned out to be a somewhat worthy Cadillac. But, 2-3 other platforms that were new for the 1970s were very cheaply done. And those platforms were going to define the new fuel efficient era that was also going to stop the Japanese onslaught on American soil. THAT was the fight to win. And GM lost! Too cheap and stupid that they UNDER-engineered almost EVERY single new platform that brung in the new era that was the '70s and '80s to keep at bay the Japanese. UNDER-engineered the Citation II. UNDER-engineered the Fiero. UNDER-engineered the Vega. UNDER-engineered the Chevette. UNDER-engineered diesels. UNDER-engineered the W-body initially. UNDER-engineered the Northstar V8. UNDER-engineered the Quad 4. Under-engineer the 1990s minivans. The 1990s bread and butter segment. Spent too much phoquing money on establishing a new car company and ultimately UNDER-engineered their cars (Saturn) and eventually Saturn just became just another badge engineered GM brand. Spent too much phoquing money on trying to be global in failing to buy Fiat, in which GM had to pay billions to and spent too much phoquing money on buying SAAB which resulted in UNDER-engineered vital products for Pontiac, Oldsmobile and Buick in which GM already had the makings of PERFECT cars IF GM had not wasted time, money and energy on SAAB. Opel would have NOT been UNDER-engineered and Oldsmobile AND Buick could have had European styling and engineering from as early as 1990. Cadillac too. Imagine a better quality, better more reliable Northstar V8 in the STS? Better interior... And the Northstar V8 would have been offered THE FIRST YEAR...along with a better engineered ALLANTE... What about a more refined Buick Reatta? Could Opel have used a Reatta for itself? I think so. GM made an Opel roadster from a Lotus that preceded the Opel GT/Pontiac Solstice/Saturn Sky by at least a decade. It was a transverse mid-engined car heavily based on the Lotus Elise. A fantastic car. Pontiac could have had one of those... GM thought the Fiero failed because Americans didnt want mid-engined performance? I guess too stupid to realize that it was their UNDER-engineering of the Fiero that killed the Fiero... What if Opel had a luxury roadster based on a Buick a decade before the Speedster? Speaking of Lotus. How about Oldsmobile having this in its stable in the early 1990s? Or even Cadillac? How about a correctly engineered Pontiac Fiero? A correctly engineered Opel Omega for North America to which a better suited brand could have it? Which reminds me. The Cimarron... But what if GM actually took the time and money to actually do a proper Cimarron even if it was a J-Body? GM offered AWD in a Pontiac 6000. In 1989...but dropped it shortly there after. Audi built their phoquing image with AWD just a few years before. But even then, THAT image was cultivated in the mid 1990s... A Cimarron with AWD? GM had ALL the right cars but their execution was shyte shyte shyte!!! Hyundai is now occupying many of those areas that GM occupied in the 1980s and 1990s. Sad really. Acura/Infiniti/Lexus has been occupying the other areas where higher end Pontiacs, Oldsmobiles and Buicks once occupied in the 1980s and 1990s. GM actually had OK market share even in the 1980s and 1990s. All those FWD W-Bodies, FWD H-Bodies, the G Platform, the J-platform cars from the '80s and '90s now lost forever to the Japanese and Koreans. But something was off with a certain formula that GM management wanted in the 1970s and it slowly rotted the company from the inside out... PS: It aint about the EVs like you make it sound like. Far-phoquing from.

I try not to think about paper-thin sheet metal, horribly plasticy interiors and rock-hard suspensions; all hopefully-soon obsolete trappings of 21st century vehicles.

Ya, I definitely wouldn't be thinking about if a vehicle has manual or power windows in traffic..manual windows seem like an obsolete 20th century artifact like carburetors or bias-ply tires; something I'd never think about.

Wonder why Ram took such a hit compared to the rest? ?

I think we all new this day was coming sooner rather than later but... Chevrolet Sonic Discontinuted I've been weirdly drawn to this car ever since the upgrade and name change from Aveo back in 2012. Never owned one and probably never will but they do have a pull for me for some reason. I prefer the exterior of the pre-refresh version but actually like the more traditional interior of the current one better. If only they would have stuck a 1.6T with 180-200 hp in the RS version! Basically a Fiesta ST competitor. Obviously that wasn't enough to save the Fiesta either but it would have been fun for us enthusiasts.

Well, GM was always run by the bean counters hard in the 70s to 90s- messed up quite a bit from that....ruined product after product.....

Chevy Sonic is DEAD. The assembly line will be used as a second dedicated EV line to build the Bolt EUV. Orion plant while being converted to a 2nd EV assembly line, will still have the option to convert back to building ICE auto's if needed. https://electrek.co/2020/07/07/gm-kills-chevy-sonic-making-room-for-bolt-euv-at-companys-second-all-ev-plant/