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When I was a kid in the 70s, next door neighbors had a gold '72 Olds 98 4dr ht like this, and a black '73 Cadillac Sixty Special.

There is something about gold Oldsmobiles...

Just got my 2nd Pfizer shot. No line, no waiting, quick and easy.

Lots of Italians, Sicilians, and Greeks in Steubenville, Ohio where I spent my childhood. Our next door neighbors had immigrated from Palermo.

@trinacriabob I was listening to those clips above and others a few weeks back. I was shocked to see that in some parts of Southern Italy, Greek is spoken still and mixed with Italian. I knew that about Sicily, but not on mainland Italy. I was even shocked to learn, this was yesterday, that a classic 1980 Giannis Poulopoulos song was but a cover. An Italian cover. From 1974. And there is a catch, the song was written and sung by a very popular Italian singer, but the song was written and sung...in Greek. Original Mia Martini Una faccia, una razza! http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yDqhw4Vhh-I/Tvr6TfymTmI/AAAAAAAABiw/ia8Zwy4TxDI/s1600/ItaliaGreciaBandiere.jpg

My grandfather drove a car identical to this in blue, my fathers best friend had one in white. Sbulime cars....

I was laughing pretty hard at this. (I know that everyone on C&G wants it to be multilingual.) You can check out this goofy video to see if any of it strikes a chord ... or focus on the background scenery and what sounds like the sonorous strumming of a mandolin. And, of course, they focus on the differences, which are quite a few. But they don't tell you that ~ 60% of the words are about the same.

The ‘50s Corvettes posted above are 100 times more cohesive than the ferrari 250 also shown here. i’ll have to do an analysis tonight to illustrate how I look at them. Lots of ‘starts & stops’ and misalignments in the linework on the 250.

I like Ferraris. Usually. More than Lamborghinis. More than Porsches. These types of cars are not the types of cars Id buy had I had the money (including Corvettes), but they do brighten up the roads when you see one. Any of one of them so-called exotic things. They also do beautify a teenager's bedroom (with posters) of them or pics in a beautiful cars thread. I prefer modern Ferraris over any other modern exotic super or hyper car. Even though I think that modern Ferraris are also overdone. Looks like it could be Aston Martin rather than a Ferrari. But hey...its a start. The start (maybe and hopefully) of beautiful, sexy and elegant lines rather than the awkward ugly-aggressive design language they had going on since the late 1990s.

I'd love to have a Testarossa. And a Ford pickup. Maybe a '92-96 style or a '67-69. Wouldn't mind having a '90s Bronco also....test drove one back in '96, thought seriously about buying one then.

Wasnt THE Trans Am version of the Firebird more or less a Cougar competitor? Although I do agree that an Oldsmobile F-Body would have been a better fit. Maybe. It would have been a sportier version of a personal luxury coupe. But it would have also been a less expensive model of Oldsmobile's very own personal luxury coupe that is the Cutlass SX. Would THAT be a good idea having a cheap pony car sold above the price tag of an already expensive Trans Am but being a cheap pony car non-the-less and offering not much more than what a Trans Am could offer anyway, and probably be LESS favorable than the Trans Am OR the Cutlass SX? But then again, an Oldsmobile F-Body personal luxury pony car coupe would have fit in PERFECTLY just below that SX and the big daddy Toronado. But then again, the Cougar in the mid-1970s just became a bloated Ford Torino personal luxury coupe and strayed far far away from its original concept. But then again, seeing that Pontiac made '70s history with their SD455 Trans Am and made a stellar movie appearance with a black and gold 6.6 liter Trans Am...and later years actually HAD an Olds engine under the hood to satisfy sales and CAFE numbers...maybe an Olds rocket 455 or 403 in the later years of their very own F-Body doesnt sound that out of this world after all. An intersesting "what-if" ...

Or extreme mental duress brought on by an odd variant of Covid. I see him on FB now and again, seems to be doing great. That would have been fantastic.

I heard a story about how corporate didnt want to jeopardize and cannibalize Corvette sales and forced Pontiac to use Chevrolet's new F Platform that would house the Camaro. Having two 2-seater sports cars would be a money losing preposition for both brands. And I think they would be right. Although it would have been awesome to have seen it alive. But then again, the Firebird/Formula/Trans Am was quite the success and quite the exciting sports car itself. I would have loved to have seen a 2nd generation Fiero. I would have preferred that corporate would have NOT interfered with the Fiero's original engineering which is rumored that the Fiero was bean counted to extreme. It would have been quite the machine itself and probably that would have meant the death for the Firebird itself. But the Fiero had a sexiness (and potential performance) that the death of the Firebird would sting a lot less. Besides, a Fiero Trans Am with a LT1 or LS1 V8 could have been a thing... Of course THAT could have been the death of the Corvette too, but an affordable mid-engined V8 supercar would have come from GM THAT much earlier...

I saw this and immediately thought of this, and that I no longer opt to swim in salt water ... Big thumbs up here. I think that Pontiac could have definitely pulled off a great variant of the Corvette. And that I'd rather we had a Firebird on the market today than a Camaro. And that Buick should release the Trans Am-alike vehicle that has been mocked up since they won't be doing regular cars anymore. Lots of "what ifs" here.

Today's birthday directory / announcement says it's Sixty8panther's birthday! One of the more colorful personalities who is / has been on the C&G forum. I hope he's doing well.

Probably going to see a slew of these 'Pandemic Projects' emerge over the next few years. I mean; I can only assume stark isolation / no contact with the outside world produced this build...

I do recall looking at a few cars w/ my Dad when I was a teenager, he didn't like the idea of me driving an old car or something with high miles...especially since he was paying for it. Circa 1986, looked at a '67 Galaxie 2dr (clean), a ''79 Cordoba (rust free, a dented rear quarter, he didn't like Chrysler products), a dark blue '79 Eldorado (sharp car, but some bubbly rust, too many miles), a yellow '80 Lincoln Town Car (too many miles). So after I got my license I drove his '84 Ford Escort diesel for about a year until he bought me my new '87 Mustang GT. Then in '88 when I went off to college, he bought me an '86 Mustang LX (4 cyl, used with 10000 miles) since the GT was too nice to leave outside at college..

^ I know that was done @ Olds. But '63-64 Pontiac did not have different 2-dr hardtops from B to C.

That just looks badass in white.

Ive been thinking about this all this time. And although I do agree with you that some lines, like how David pointed out on that C pillar, is awkward, I feel that THIS car's beauty is MORE than the sum of its parts. And although at this angle, like you say, the undercarriage seems to be unfinished as you could see the ugly pipes of the exhaust system too much, it could have been done better, the lines, ALL lines do flow smoothly from front to back. I will disagree with @David by him mentioning that those bumperettes are not pleasing to the eye, they are no more "vulgar" or unnecessary than what Cadillac did with their style of bumperettes to try to beautify their front ends of their cars of mid 1950s. Or even Chevy's 1957 Belair. This SWB version seems to be tidied up quite a bit from the one above The rear of the 250 SWB is less flattering, uglier and bulkier than the 25 GT Lusso, which is not very pretty itself, between the two, I prefer the 250 GT Lusso. In comparison, a 1962 Corvette's lines were not that cohesive either (year for year) '50s front end with '60s back end styling made for a bumble bee behind. Fat. And that stainless steel trim on the bottom there maybe made for a clean finish, it was not a very pretty look. The '58 and '59 were much much sweeter. Devoid of that stainless steel trim and the '58/'59 seemed lighter and more sprightly.

Yes, they really need some! ?

I wonder if Olds or Buick ever considered having an F-body version of their own...

^ Ahead of their time; ‘54, ‘56 & ‘58.

Well, it was to make them loss leaders and to make full-sizes accessible to a broader segment. For one, I could hardly see the previous '76 Grandville Brougham sedan with a 6, or even a 4.3 V8. That would be absurd. I can only imagine where the temperature gauge would go when climbing the Grapevine on I-5, for example. With the downsize, a 6 cylinder, together with a bench seat, blackwalls, and wheel covers, could put people who needed and wanted the roominess but didn't need the power behind a full size for less coin. I'm thinking a retired lady in the flat parts of the interior who just needed to shop and go to church. That is, for the most part, who bought the 6s and the 4.3 V8s in these cars. The traveling salesman would go Brougham, larger engine, and all the power accessories. Edit: I am correcting myself. Either a 229/231 V6 and a 250 I-6 was in fact available for all BOP + C entry-level grade full-sizes (Impala, Bonneville/Catalina(?), 88, LeSabre) in that initial 1977 model. @David I forgot to mention the sticker shown for that Bonneville - $ 8,197. Amazing. And that's with an upcharge for the 400 V8 and the heavy duty alternator! Had they gone with a small block V8 and skipped the upgraded alternator, it would have come it at $ 7,9##. Where do I sign ... for that same price? Stat!

Feda Ford Standard Service Garage Harmony MN ~

^ That is hilarious...obviously the product of a warped mind..that 'deck' looks decorative, don't see any ramps or tie downs to actually haul a vehicle...

Salina KS ~

^ '59-60 had (2) 2-door designs: the 2-dr sedan and the 2-dr hardtop. Not just a B-pillar added; the sedans had taller windshields by about 2", and more domed rooflines. As different as the Divisions were on everything else, the above-beltline greenhouses were shared across the board {for the most part). All 5 car Divisions got the 2-dr hardtop. That's the same model/bodystyle my '59 is.

If you aren’t losing money because the value holds / appreciates, you’re no fool. Interesting statement, coming from you.

'70 Chevy '350' = 349.8 CI '70 Pontiac '350' = 354.7 CI '70 Olds 350 = 350.07 CI '70 Buick '350' = 349.3 CI 3 of them are right on the money, but Pontiac certainly could've billed theirs as a '355' (I think they should have). '70 Chevy '454' = 454.1 CI '70 Pontiac '455' = 456.1 CI '70 Olds '455' = 454.4 CI '70 Buick '455' = 455.2 CI One of the big differences on the Buick 455 is that it was 'over square'- with a bore of 4.31" and a relatively short stroke of 3.90". These were the largest pistons & the shortest stroke of the 4 big blocks above. A shorter stroke gives you faster piston speeds at the same RPM, which is partially how the Buick had the highest (rated) torque of the four big blocks (510 TRQ in '70).

A beauty! Esp in that (looks like) Firemist Green... tho I so wish Cadillac had continued the hardtop model past '60. 1 of only 1,870 built. It's interesting- it's wearing one-year only '56 wheelcovers, which require '56 rims. Someone really wanted them! It's a gorgeous cover (I have one in my collection); the radiused 'fins' reflect on the center portion, and make it looks, sort of, like a spoked rim.

Awesome Donation, a private citizen donated his immaculate 1964 Eldorado convertible in mint condition to help fund the local fire department. The auto will go on auction April 22nd. Hopefully they get an above market price for this beautiful lady for such an awesome cause! 1964 Cadillac Eldorado In Rare Condition To Be Auctioned For A Good Cause (motorious.com) QUOTE: This classic Cadillac features a green exterior finish over a white wood grain accented interior, a black convertible top, and V8 engine paired with an automatic transmission. While it is not a 100-percent original example, as is this car would make for a good daily driver or an even better survivor quality base for a restoration. Recent service includes four new tires, a cleaned out fuel system, and a replacement convertible motor. Lending a hand to the car's current condition is the fact that it has been in storage for the past 30-years. 100-percent of the proceeds from the sale will go directly to the Williamsport Volunteer Fire & EMS in Williamsport, Maryland to help these selfless volunteers purchase, maintain, and operate emergency life-saving equipment.

I could also easily do MOPAR 426 HEMI and 440 six pack on a wide variety of MOPAR muscle. Be it a '69 or '70 GTX/Roadrunner or a '70 Challenger or a '71 Cuda. I almost forgot...a '68-'70 Charger too.

It is funny how 3 divisions each developed their own 455...yet Chevy had to be different and do a 454. No one tried to one-up with a 456? Of course, Cadillac had to be bigger and did a 500..

yeah...well... I like an Olds 442 455 AND A Pontiac Trans Am 455 SD 455

I've been here! Slightly east of Morgantown, WV. It's just that I saw that treed 2-lane road in fall colors rather than the greenery shown in the video. It's beautiful. And, Morgantown has its own charm and still hums because it's the main state college town. (Other WV towns are not doing too well.) There are rattlesnake signs everywhere here. These guys are timber rattlesnakes, from what I learned. They are not as aggressive as some other "brands." The one I would not want to get into a tiff with is the Mojave rattler. Also, with their camouflage that is so damn effective, the signage is but the tip of the iceberg in "preventive measures."