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@surreal1272 contrary to what you may think about how I feel about Toyota, there are many, many cars and trucks that I very much like from Toyota and Lexus These are some of the Toyota cars and trucks I like and is proud to admit I like. yeah...from the 60s and 70s even the 80s and included in the Toyotas that I like...surprise surprise, a little 4 cylinder shytebox and a Solara of all things And a couple of Toyotas that I saw in Greece that we never got here. Now these next Toyotas arent exactly cars I like, but I was smitten with them for whatever reason. early 80s Crown and a very much mundane 1998-1999-2000-2001 or so Avensis A FWD BMW language copy cat. Never in my wildest dreams would I have ever thought Id actually like this kinda car. But here I am. Now...these are a LOT of Toyotas. Just because I dont buy into the bullshyte of Toyotas being more reliable than all others and I KNOW that their quality of car building is no better and on par with the rest of them other OEMs that we like to call shyte doesnt mean I dont like their cars... BMW is the car company that I have an irrational hate for. My hatred for Toyota stems for the brainwashing BS they do. I actually like a lot of their cars. Toyota has made some really cool vehicles for us enthusiasts. Why they stopped would be another reason for me to hate them...

Yeah, I'm not really understanding how they can be just as "shytty as the next OEM" either. A couple big recalls and they're on par with "everybody else"..?

Just because you think it’s true doesn’t make it so and I’m done trying to convince folks here who would rather gaslight because of their own prejudices than to understand the wealth of data that contradicts their view. BTW, I like Cadillac but that is gaslighting 101 if you think the Northstar was the only big issue with Cadillac back then. And that mirror goes both ways Olds. Just sayin’.

And in both cases, way overblown (owned one of those 3.0 sludge cases via a ‘93 ES300 with absolutely no sludge issues). Again, I am more than happy to side by side some the competition from those years and their related issues but I’m not wasting any more time trying to convince folks who don’t want to be convinced.