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@ccap41 @oldshurst442 @surreal1272 A worthwhile read if you are interested in what is going on now and the future for EVs and Charging. The Future Standard Of Electric Vehicles: Charging Infrastructures - Plug and Play Tech Center

At least in other countries, they charge you, like they do for ICE vehicles to fuel up. https://images.hertz.com/pdfs/ENGB_EV_RENTAL_TERMS.pdf We will record the EV’s battery status before we rent the EV to you and measure it when you return the EV. We ask you to return the EV with at least the same level of charge or 75% (whichever is lower). If you return the EV with a level of charge lower than this then we will recharge the EV for you at the rate of €0.80/sterling equivalent (inc VAT) per kW/h. e.g. 75% on rent charge – 55% return charge = 20% 20% x 100% battery capacity = 20 20 x 0.8€ = 16€ Recharging fee. If the EV battery status is below 20% on return an Administration Charge will apply in addition to the recharging fee because this increases our turn around times and involves staff time. Administration Charge = +€25 (inc VAT) No. Sht. That's the whole point I'm trying to make. ICE for rentals is quicker and more simple for the one paying the money to rent a vehicle. I know damn well that if I'm on vacation the last thing I want to do is wait for a car to charge. It has nothing to do with instant "gratification". It's just fueling a vehicle up. Literally nobody in the world WANTS to be doing that at any given point, ICE or EV. That's why EVs are so damn convenient for everyday use where people like you, Olds, and myself can charge from home and always leave with a full "tank". Renters do not have that luxury. they have to go into an app, in car or on their phone, find a charger, and wait. Some are at perfectly convenient locations, and some are not.

The concern of having to wait while charging? What's their solution, because I didn't see a section for that.

Shell Recharge Solutions | Shell United States One can clearly see how easy it will be to have public Charging stations compared to gas stations with the in-ground tanks and all the other EPA safety stuff they have to install. Yes Charging has it's own safety needs, but nothing like a traditional ICE station. Yet let's focus on your original comment: How many auto renters actually have to fuel up during their rental period? Yes, they usually fuel up at the end to avoid the high price at the rental place for gas. Most rental places do not have their own fuel pumps, so have to pay someone to drive it over, gas up and bring the auto back to rent again. Compared to EVs, easy to have a 220 Level 2 or DC Fast charging connections installed at the rental site. Hertz has installed fast chargers to deal with both the Tesla and will for all over EVs using fast charging CCS units. Electrical permit needed, but very easy to do and as per Hertz own web site, they are showing how easy it is to charge if needed. Charging a Tesla | Hertz Electric Vehicles I think most folks will be fine having an EV, charging up either at a public station or letting Hertz re-charge the auto.

Like I said, restaurants, McDonald's and In and Out Burger and grocery stores and all kinds of public parking lots with businesses could have charging ports as well as designated stations. And its not as if charging times with these new batteries and systems take a long time with level 2 charging. On avg., 15 minutes gets you 80% of a full charge on a 250-320 mile range EV. Common... Like I said, lots of unnecessary fear...

you could only fill up a gasoline powered car in a gas station. Charging ports should be ubiquitous like gas stations are. Charging ports are easier to erect than gas stations are. Charging stations could not only BE at specific charging stations only specializing in charging, but almost everywhere there is space and shopping or dining is made where the driver on an EV is out and about doing other things other than just filling up his EV with a charge. Its that simple... And its actually being done like how I say, not only in other parts of the world, but in the US itself, but there are far too many anti-EV rhetoric outlets in the US and the fear of EVs has set in and a stall in progress for charging stations has ensued in some parts of the US...

I completely disagree with you guys on this and I am far from anti-EV adoption. I just think the end user themselves will not have as enjoyable of a rental experience having to charge publicly. Personally, and I've said this many times before, the biggest advantage of EVs is the ability to charge at home, over night, for very little out of pocket cost. Charging publicly takes almost all of the gasoline price savings out the window and you're forced to actually wait somewhere, unlike charging at home. @David's point are good points but they're not good points for the user renting the vehicles. They're fantastic points for the manufacturers who want more people to experience EVs and to sell units. @oldshurst442, I'm not saying it's difficult to find a charger. I'm saying it's inconvenient to ONLY be able to charge publicly and there's very little money being saved by the user by having to charge publicly. You and I both know that there are environmental issues mining for the metals for batteries as well. It's a give and take but I think as batteries advance and technology advances to using less and less precious metals, it will be a much greater net gain for EVs. But, as of now, mining for those precious metals isn't a whole lot better than drilling for oil. They're getting there! I've read multiple things about new technology to eliminate these precious metals for future batteries. they're just not there yet and certainly not in any production vehicles.

I would disagree with you on this. This is an excellent place for adoption when you think about it. First, the OEMs, especially the Legacy ones are wanting to follow Rivian and Tesla and have made to order and not carry allot of inventory. Second, if there is not allot of inventory, that makes it harder for those that need to test drive and spend time with an auto to see if they like it or not. Example is the Cadillac dealerships by me would give you the Cadillac you were interested in a loaner for 24hrs to see how you like it. If dealerships move to made to order, then you can bet having a 24hr loaner to test will not happen. Third, the point of this is that the rental companies will allow folks to check out an EV at the interest level and learn how they drive, work etc. With the built in Nav systems that tell you were the various charging stations are at and what levels are available it will not leave people wondering where they can charge. Fourth, Hertz has continuously increased purchases of Tesla auto's as they are the most popular for rental. With as I have posted elsewhere an average of 39 miles a day for personal ownership, rental autos have come in at only 54 miles per day on average. Most people will not have to deal with charging and I bet will take the pay option to let the rental company recharge the auto. Hertz as I also expect other rental companies will install plenty of DC chargers to get the EVs back on the road fast. I have posted this before, plenty easy for people to find chargers and if they drive to a distant location to check it out, it makes sense for them to find a charger and plug in while exploring the destination. Alternative Fuels Data Center: Electric Vehicle Charging Station Locations (energy.gov) Tesla Car Rental | Hertz Rent a Car Another reason that auto rental companies want to move to EVs is maintenance. With EVs having much less maintenance, the EV is a higher profit rental than traditional ICE. Just as Hertz has their Mustangs that people seem to love to rent and I can only assume in some cases abuse, one can clearly see that there will be those wanting to rent a Hummer Truck EV to experience WTF mode. Just a few reasons for this EV purchase for renting.

Yes. Sure. The way it is now now. EVs have been politicized in the US (like everything else), and much whining has been made about public charge systems. Now...as in NOW... would be a good GREAT time to actually STOP the whining about charging times and public chargers and ridiculous talking points about range anxiety and start building up the damn charging infrastructure instead of whining against it. American businesses, all levels of governments at the city, state and federal levels could get involved in building up a charge network... I googled and came across some awesome stuff... Ill just post some pics and American capitalism should be able to do the rest... In the US we act like a few cables and a little plastic box with sensors and adaptors is such an unsurmountable feat. Like its a total impossibility and harder to accomplish than burying large tanks underground and fill them up with that flammable liquid time and time again...talk about logistical nightmare, but we have perfected it,...and these are literally everywhere. And talk about a PERFECT place to put EV chargers since gasoline stations are EVERYWHERE. And the thing is, charging stations, public and in the city could be endless as tanks need not be buried and designated in special places... And let me whine about something... NO NEED to transport the electricity to the charge port like a gasoline truck does to the gas station as electricity travels ITSELF!!! Just in case somebody missed it, solar panels on the charge ports produce electricity to alleviate the other shytty talking point...

I never thought of it that way. And guess what? You are correct! Yes. The 747 is a beauty. Still after all these decades. I know your heart is in San Franc Seattle...and Ill agree to a point that the A380 may not be as attractive and pleasing to the eye as the 747. She is a bit of a hefty girl. But she needs to be that way. She is a double decker all the way through. She has adopted an oval (egg) shape all the way through JUST like the 747 is only like that on its 'hump'. I get your Seattle pride, but...the A380 is beautiful in its own unique way. And its fine that you dont like her. Aside Airbus' several mistakes on her The timing of her launch was miscalculated as jumbo jet flying for most airlines was coming to an end as single engined wide bodies and flying preferences changed the game. Airbus actually DID initially design her as a transport plane, but changed the cockpit placement at the last minute negating a transport version. Had they stayed the course and made the cockpit above the nose to open up like the 747, the 747 would have died almost immediately. Airports WOULD have spent money to accommodate the A380. Airlines, despite Boeing's effort with the 747-8 would have balked at it and the A380 would have taken its place. Despite her girth, heft and sheer size, she flies elegantly... So put THAT in your Boeing pipe and smoke it!!!

5 years is a long time.