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The new interface and system is all Google software ( a big "yikes" for me) and yes, excluding CarPlay is a huge mistake.

I think that is a HUGE mistake, to not support Apple CarPlay going forward. Too many people love it and use it. I cannot imagine whatever they cook up will be as nice.

GM and Google have said that you will just need to login with your Google account to sync so that you get what is on your phone on your auto. Seems they think for Apple folks having wireless Bluetooth to connect their phones while asking them to create a google or GM account will be good enough. BIG, BIG, BIG mistake, I think. We have already seen how slow GM is to update their existing Nav systems, I cannot see them once Google gives them the new system staying on top of keeping it as current as the Android phone or Apple Phone.

Mercedes charges 75k for a vehicle that's identical to their 57k vehicle.

Okay, so already more steps involved... This is starting exactly how I would expect it.

True but it also applies to Luxo snobs. Same principles.

@oldshurst442 @ccap41 @surreal1272 @riviera74 @trinacriabob @Robert Hall @Drew Dowdell @Cmicasa the Great Seems GM has not totally forgotten cars as their design team has published this to their instagram account for people feedback on if a Coupe EV would be of interest to the public. Using the Design language from the CELESTIQ.

Over Compensation issue is what we called little man syndrome when you saw little guys buying and driving the H2 Hummer when it first came out. I like to call the Over Compensation crowd the Chicken bone size issue.

That's exactly my point in regards to the same person who always asks the same question, at this stage of development, and then speculates when he doesn't get the answer he wants (even when it's just not there at the time) while knocking any price point he perceives to be "too high" because in encroaches on Mercedes territory (oh the over-compensation issues here lol). This "analysis" goes for EVERY brand not coming from Daimler. That's my issue here.

Seems tomorrow April 5th, 2023 at the NY Auto Show the Ram REV, their first Electric vehicle will be revealed to the public and details about the truck will be released.

@surreal1272 Why Does price even matter at this point if someone who has been following the auto industry has any common sense. GM, Kia/Hyundai are on record stating that the early adopters will probably pay a much higher price than those that end up buying a year or two later. This is due to the fact that economy of scale will drive down costs. The only thing folks need to be looking at is the details of how a model in a certain segment competes against other models in that same market segment on features. An example would be that Polestar a very unknown brand is doing a road show and they are seeing what the public reaction is to the stated features and msrp of a product for their Polestar 3 SUV. They are aiming at the performance of the auto not entry level. If folks are fine with the price, they will sell if people like what they see. If they do not get the positive reaction from people or the pre-orders, they will have to adjust their price to sell. This is the common sense that seems to be missing from some. You are right that many media are estimating the starting price for the EV9 at $55,000 2024 Kia EV9 Price, Pictures, Release Date & More | Kelley Blue Book (kbb.com) Edmunds seems to be at the high end with a starting price of $60,000 2024 Kia EV9 Prices, Reviews, and Pictures | Edmunds

Common sense? You mean the price question he asks for everyone else but one manufacturer? How about we actually wait on the price before delving into your analysis about what car is worth what money (again, for every brand but one)? The only thing known is that early estimates have it around $55K for the base model. That is it. Nothing more.

Common sense is we will get the pricing info close to the date of opening up for pre-orders. Right now comparing what is in this EV compared to the few others on the market, it appears to be a very competitive product.

This also confirms a very important point that you, myself and many others have made to a certain member and a few others that said Tesla will never be removed as the leader in EVs. GM has moved from Concept to Production faster in the last 2 years than Tesla has done in the last Decade. 2 years ago GM has the Bolt and a concept of Lyriq. Today they have 2 versions of the Bolt on the market and a luxury level LYRIQ as well as 2 semi-luxury level GMC Hummers, truck/SUV. So 5 EVs selling now that are sold out into 2024 for 3 of these 5. GM has the Chevrolet Equinox, Blazer and Silverado coming to market and the Commercial Silverado starts shipping to customers this month of April. They have also started to ship the Brighdrop 600 along with the Brightdrop 400 that is already shipping. GM will end 2023 with 8 EVs plus 3 commercial EV selling and 2024 brings us the GMC Sierra EV plus GM has already announced that for Cadillac alone, they will show off a full size SUV EV, mid-size SUV EV, and a Cadillac Car EV. 3 more EV concepts. This will give GM in 2023 8 retail EVs selling, 3 commercial EVs selling, 3 concepts that we know of. This gives GM 11 selling EV models to Tesla 4 and 1 commercial version. GM has already announced additional EVs to go into production by 2025 but we are not yet aware of the brand or models. End result is that Musk is HOLDING BACK Tesla due to his distractions with Politics, Social Media (Twitter), Rockets, Tunnel boring, etc. If stockholders of Tesla do not see the distractions, then they deserve to lose their money. The Big investors need to demand his removal and get a real CEO leader in there at Tesla.

GM is having a great 1st quarter. U.S. Q1 Sales: Off to a Great Start (gm.com) General Motors Co. (NYSE: GM) and its dealers delivered 603,208 vehicles in the U.S., up 18%, in the first quarter of 2023, growing market share by an estimated 1.5 points, the largest of any automaker.

I know the price will come later. It looks like a good product I agree, but if they want $50k for an EV6 which is a Sportage size vehicle, is this $75k, $85k? It is 2 size classes bigger, the Sorrento size EV would have to slot in the $60-70k range. I don't see the path forward for Kia if they are priced above where Cadillac is now with similar sized vehicles, unless the price of these EV's comes way down.