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I do not know what is happening in your neck of the woods, but Quebeckers, older Quebeckers were heavy heavy smokers. These folk still smoke today regardless of the health warnings and the general un-cool factor that it has today unlike the status it once had. But...older French Quebecker males DO smoke less than French women today . Also, at least in the Montreal area, YOUNGER females smoke (and vape) far far more than the males. I wanna know why that is?

I think he @ykX is equating a 'wallowy" suspension with crappy ride. To that he aint wrong about the cars having wallowy suspensions during the time he is referencing which is from the late 1960s to the early and mid-1980s. I aint gonna judge nobody for liking and not liking this type of ride. I dont care really what somebody's preference is for car suspensions, but there are some things that I will take exception to. But his or anybody else's preference aint one of them. The thing I WILL take exception to though is about calling it a crap ride as opposed to a tighter European "road hugging, stiffer suspension is that I will DEFEND the wallowy ride for these reasons: BECAUSE our NORTH AMERICAN roads and CAR CULTURE DICTATED that OUR cars RODE like we are in our living room on our sofas in COMFORT. Our highways, to THIS day, are STRAIGHT for THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of miles and when we USED to go on family trips from coast to coast practically, East to West or North to South and EVERYTHING in between, in European terms, many borders of many countries, 5-6 -7 countries, would be crossed. Europe is also very very mountainous, and hence their cars being smaller and because most of their roads were horse and donkey travelled, cars HAD to be tighter for turning. American roads flattened the mountains or go right through them, but NOT travelling around the perimeter of the mountain when on one side is the mountain, the other side is a plummet to your death and you have to share the very very narrow road with cars going the opposite side. Brakes and handling and turning radius had BETTER be tight... City driving is the same. HUGE phoquing boulevards. Street light to street light...racing. Is THAT a better ride over the other? Well, take a North American road trip in a small, tight suspension-ed Japanese or European car of that era and you would realize that those cars were NOT great for OUR roads AND car culture. Id say shytty if we were truly honest about this whole thing. By contrast, traditional big American cars SUCK for Europe...for many many reasons. As many as those 1970s European and Japanese cars were for us. High gasoline prices was probably the SOLE reason why these cars even got a foothold on our shores. Again, if we were truly honest about this whole thing... What I have said is not a secret. I aint teaching anybody anthing knew here. Its just sometimes, we let our biases get in the way...

I forgot...the Trailblazer. Spark and Malibu are gone for 2022. You sooooo want to make a case for BEVs being expensive. Get over it... Average transaction prices of new car sales in the US are just a tad below to what a Model 3 sells for... The mythical 35 000 dollar Model 3 never showed its face. But does it matter? The Model 3 flew off the shelf anyway. It still does. And if Elon could eek out MORE money from future consumers, then why not? Its still early in the 2020s. We got a whole decade ahead of us. A whole decade of battery tech improving and actually becoming cheaper to produce. It. Will. Happen. PS: It STILL doesnt change the fact that GM has, in effect, ALSO raised its prices by limiting the amount of cheaper models to sell. A move that you yourself have blasted Tesla for doing. Tesla has eliminated the mythical 35 000 model 3 option and you didnt like it. GM has done the same for 2022 by getting rid of the Spark AND a 23 000 dollar Malibu effectively only having one shytty 20 000 dollar Trailblazer to offer the poor folk to buy. What happened to a century plus of ICE tech to offer the poor folk some transportational ICE options for their transportational ICE needs?

Problem is...that GM has nixed their cheapest model that was 15 000 dollars in 2021. For 2022, GM's cheapest model is a whopping 25 000 dollars. 10 000 dollars MORE expensive... GM even killed off a sedan (Malibu) whose base price was 23 000. Like I said, the cheapest Chevy one could buy now is 25 000. Sorry Balthy. Your argument here is non-existent. The Model 3 is on price parity with SEVERAL GM ICE offerings...

No Coke. Pepsi.

True. But we (our modern society) seem to WANT to be seduced by these wolves in sheep's clothing. Our morals and scruples seem to have been loosened over the years. And when we do that, we beget more and more wolves in sheep's clothing until the wolves our brazen enough to not even disguise themselves as sheep. Look at the last President... Money...the root of all evil.

Lucky folk, though. It was a blessing for them if not for his other victims. I found it more appalling when back in the day, news media, journalists, analysts, bankers, politicians, etc...revered this thief and swore by him.

I wonder if Madoff will ponzi scheme his way in acquiring a coin for the Ferryman

You called it legendary, yet you find most Ferraris 'meh'

Warped phoquing people. These people are NOT Christian. Nowhere in the bible does it say that sex is bad/evil/sin... Its just says that EXTRAMARITAL sex is a sin. Marriage is a HOLY bond between a man and his wife...no funny stuff OUTSIDE of the marriage... Immoral sex has NOTHING to do sex before marriage or who is your partner. homosexual sex. Immoral sex is cheating on your spouse. Married folk SHOULD have LOTS AND LOTS of sex. Procreate. Be fruitful and multiply it says... THAT is all it says... Phoqued up folk translate that into other shyte...

Ive had several different bread guys over the past couple of decades owning my restaurant. But for the last 8 years its been the same guy. He drove a HINO. Kinda like this one. Always in the shop for whatever reason. He never told me why. I never asked. Always seemed pissed about it. LOL. ( I would be too) 3 years ago he got rid of it and got himself a used 2015 GMC Sierra 2500HD with a goose hitch and box trailer. The first year he had transmission problems. I think GM fixed that under warranty as he wasnt really bitchin'. Smooth sailing ever since. Ive nothing more to add. Just wanted to get that off my chest. Well...there is something else. The bread guy that I had between the years 2005-2010. THAT guy had (still has it) a 1997 Plymouth Prowler. Bought it new in 1997. Yes Its a Plymouth. Yes, its purple! He comes to see me from time to time.

Steroids PS: THIS is a proper Pontiac Trans Am gif...

I stand corrected. I guess one can... It is more accurate to say: Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder. If you look for beauty, you will find it. And by contrast, if you look for ugliness and faults, you will find that too... It all depends on what you want to find.

Yeah...that would be a personal opinion. I like both equally. But no matter which one you think is better looking, you cannot deny that the other is NOT not good looking.

@trinacriabob I was listening to those clips above and others a few weeks back. I was shocked to see that in some parts of Southern Italy, Greek is spoken still and mixed with Italian. I knew that about Sicily, but not on mainland Italy. I was even shocked to learn, this was yesterday, that a classic 1980 Giannis Poulopoulos song was but a cover. An Italian cover. From 1974. And there is a catch, the song was written and sung by a very popular Italian singer, but the song was written and sung...in Greek. Original Mia Martini Una faccia, una razza! http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yDqhw4Vhh-I/Tvr6TfymTmI/AAAAAAAABiw/ia8Zwy4TxDI/s1600/ItaliaGreciaBandiere.jpg

That is a noice Oldsmobile too! I missed it! Thank-you for posting it!

There is something about gold Oldsmobiles...

OK Im very interested in your analysis. Like I have said in the past, I like to pick your brain with stuff like this!

More of an Italian car industry problem rather than a design problem?

Do not be like OCNBLU If you dont like them, you dont need to be confused as to why others actually DO like them. I did say this later on. But it does NOT change the fact that even if these may NOT be BOTH of our style of cars, we CAN appreciate them for what they are or what they look like. Or you may NOT like the way they look, which is fine, I like them. They are beautiful. Well, maybe NOT the car in this commercial, but you get the idea with the sexy visuals, song choice and the lovely Italian language!

Ive been thinking about this all this time. And although I do agree with you that some lines, like how David pointed out on that C pillar, is awkward, I feel that THIS car's beauty is MORE than the sum of its parts. And although at this angle, like you say, the undercarriage seems to be unfinished as you could see the ugly pipes of the exhaust system too much, it could have been done better, the lines, ALL lines do flow smoothly from front to back. I will disagree with @David by him mentioning that those bumperettes are not pleasing to the eye, they are no more "vulgar" or unnecessary than what Cadillac did with their style of bumperettes to try to beautify their front ends of their cars of mid 1950s. Or even Chevy's 1957 Belair. This SWB version seems to be tidied up quite a bit from the one above The rear of the 250 SWB is less flattering, uglier and bulkier than the 25 GT Lusso, which is not very pretty itself, between the two, I prefer the 250 GT Lusso. In comparison, a 1962 Corvette's lines were not that cohesive either (year for year) '50s front end with '60s back end styling made for a bumble bee behind. Fat. And that stainless steel trim on the bottom there maybe made for a clean finish, it was not a very pretty look. The '58 and '59 were much much sweeter. Devoid of that stainless steel trim and the '58/'59 seemed lighter and more sprightly.

I like Ferraris. Usually. More than Lamborghinis. More than Porsches. These types of cars are not the types of cars Id buy had I had the money (including Corvettes), but they do brighten up the roads when you see one. Any of one of them so-called exotic things. They also do beautify a teenager's bedroom (with posters) of them or pics in a beautiful cars thread. I prefer modern Ferraris over any other modern exotic super or hyper car. Even though I think that modern Ferraris are also overdone. Looks like it could be Aston Martin rather than a Ferrari. But hey...its a start. The start (maybe and hopefully) of beautiful, sexy and elegant lines rather than the awkward ugly-aggressive design language they had going on since the late 1990s.