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In other words... Its only phoquing fair for GM, Ford. Coca-Cola, Apple, Timex to build factories all over the world for those people in those places to work, since all those phoquing people buy American goods... And since 19phoquing45... I have played two sides of the coin just now... 1st being that corporate culture in America has been an enemy to the American worker for awhile now. And all corporations from all over the world, including the American ones, all have been brainwashing the American public with bullshyte messages. And the American people have ceased to keep their eye on the ball... The other point, as the world got more richer and on the same economical playing field as the US and Canada, world trade got inevitable and trade had to be equalized between the nations. This is where we at. Mexicans have bought Chebbies for a long phoquing time. Its only fair for GM to build some factories there... Problem is, the wage gap between the American worker and the Mexican worker is well... you know. its not only American car companies that see an advantage of the Mexican worker labour costs. BMW and Nissan and others have factories there... Im rambling, I know... So much to say. Thing is, its not as clean cut and dry just to blame Wallstreet and GM and beancounters as to why American factories have left town. Nixon with the opening of the West to China started it in the 1970s. Reagan with Global trade talks in the 1980s and well, we are here today. But somewhere in between that, American society started hating on American manufacturing and started shytting on the American worker, service or production line worker, and we are where we are today... In other words, German cars for the German market are made in Germany and the Germans have pride in their worker and in their cars and only buy German cars. Ditto for the Japanese in Japan. In the US, well, NONE of that exists.... Any of it... Its NOT just General Motors we gotta blame here...

So the truth comes out... Nothing to do with "reliability" then... I may need a bed with my meds...but there is a reason I write my posts the way I do... The rest...the arguing of who employs more and where the money goes and to whom is for another thread... And one that is interesting and would be informative... But...GM and Chrysler and Ford building cars in Canada is a bad thing? You view that as a negative? I hope you dont. Because it undermines the trillion dollar trade both our countries enjoy for the last...well, since forever. Since the days before Paleface hadnt crossed the Atlantic yet and only the Native American Indians lived here... In other words, there was never really any borders here. Ever. Between the different tribes there were alliances and with others there was war, but there was always trade between everybody. And discussion of that, well, that too would be for another another time in another thread... PS: To inform you... I care a lot for the American worker. Even as a Canadian, I care a whole lot. If you read closely to what I wrote, you and I are saying the same thing... I just cut to the chase and eliminate the BS... Oh...just to let you know... That quote... There was a time when veterans of your country would NEVER EVER consider a car made by ANY Japanese or German car maker... How long does it take to heal wounds? I know WW2 ended in 1945... But to ease your conscience about it all, American money went on to rebuild Toyota and Mazda, Mercedes Benz and BMW. But there is another factor nobody considers in these conversations. Japan and Germany make it very very very difficult, almost impossible for others to build factories in their countries. China forces others to partner up with Chinese companies. Tesla pulled a miracle with Germany. Opel was GM property and GM had sensitive ties with Hitler... Maybe the US is too damned generous with their openness with foreign factories in their homeland? But dont forget though, after WW2, the US was the ONLY one left standing with factories still standing and running and producing all kinds of stuff that the world consumed. Its like Ford, GM, Coca-Cola etc...benefited from all the one-sidedness and that spilled over to the American people? I guess that is the price we paid for with our Rock-N-Roll and milkshakes and chrome and drive-in movie theatres in the 1950s and 1960s I guess...

This morning, I listened to the Mach E drifter do its EV motor whine and I sooooo wanted to defend it and try to contradict Balthy...but I ran out of time. I had to go to work. But, something funny happened to me this late afternoon. I was bitten by a snake. And hearing that V10 made me realize: Its hard to argue with Balthy... The Mach-E sounds HORRIBLE. I like the tech behind it. I like the way it looks. I HATE the way it sounds.

Yellow Viper SRT10. Exactly like this one. Pulled into my drive-thru window at around 7:00 PM tonight. Had a couple of hot dogs and a Coke. And on he went on his merry way. The front end had all kinds of little paint chips and bug stains. THAT tells me this Viper gets driven...a lot. THAT makes me happy as the owner of that Viper is ENJOYING his car!!! Cars are meant to be driven... PS: That V10 thundered and growled and put a huuuuge smile on my face.

It seems to me that you are making excuses for yourself to feel better about it... BTW...GM's problems were 20 years and OLDER too... Yet...for some reason, you only hold GM accountable... Like I said. I dont care what you buy. Your pocket, not mine. Just stop with the bullshyte excuses. And I never said : fOreIGn trUCk BaD I said...its STUPID to think and give pride to FOREIGN owned products made in America any value...and to blast American owned product for problems they had and to IGNORE foreign owned product problems... You got a problem with American companies building their products elsewhere BUT the USA....talk to Wallstreet about that... Change your POLITICAL environment, change YOUR OWN mindset and not ONLY be ready to pay a lot more money for your American owned American built products, but thinking you have NO CHOICE BUT to pay a lot more for your American owned American built products TO TRULY SUPPORT YOUR FELLOW AMERICAN. AMERICAN WORKERS AND SERVICE PEOPLE DESERVE A LOT MORE MONEY THAN THEY ARE PAID NOW... You see... THAT IS AN EMPTY PHOQUING ARGUMENT... YOU WANT TO BE A GOOD AMERICAN...THEN FORCE YOUR POLITICIANS AND YOUR COUNTRYMEN TO ACCEPT THAT CONSUMER GOODS BUILT IN AMERICA WILL BE MORE EXPENSIVE DUE TO THE FACT THAT AMERICAN WORKERS DESERVE A BETTER PAY, BUT FACTORIES WILL BE RETURNING BACK TO THE USA...AND AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL HAVE JOBS TO PAY FOR AMERICAN BUILT PRODUCTS... LIKE USUAL....FOLK LIKE YOU ALWAYS BARK UP THE WRONG TREE. BELIEVE IN SOME WEIRD PHOQUING LIE, AND STUPIDLY LIVE BY A CODE THAT ONLY DOES YOU HARM... ANOTHER EXAMPLE: THE FREEDOM OF NOT WEARING A MASK DURING A PHOQUING PANDEMIC... WAVE FLAGGING, FREEDOM CRYING NONSENSE... But yeah...buy your trouble free Toyoter to your heart's content... Like I said...I dont give a shyte. Your life. Not mine. Your money, not mine. Just STOP with the bullshyte arguments...

Honestly... Big PHOQUING deal that its built in the US... It REALLY means nothing... Sure! Americans...Canadians...are FREE to buy what they want. So are German and Japanese folk. These people are FREE to buy whatever they want too. Oh...please stop with this bullshyte argument insinuating that ONLY Americans have fought for their freedoms for their people to be free. France, Britain, Greece and many many many....many many many....many many other nations and tribes and clans over the hundreds of thousands of years humans have been roaming the phoquing planet have fought oppressions of all kinds JUST to be free... Yeah but....really though. Where is the REAL American pride? Germans and Japanese in Germany and Japan ALL buy cars that are OWNED by German and Japanese firms... These people are TRULY proud to be... They believe in their engineering. I guess anything engineered in America is crap? THAT is what you believe? Look at the last 150 years, including 2020, and YOU tell ME with a straight face that America sucks in engineering stuff. Made in America by a foreign company means absolutely NOTHING... Toyoter (and evidently that dumb rag of a mag consumer report) has BRAINWASHED you into thinking all kinds of stupid things....) Case in point... All those frame rusts, all those engine slugs, all those runaway cars...and Consumer Reports, nor yourself...have ANY hatred towards Toyoter, but you loathe GM? You ARE free to think what you wanna think and buy what you wanna buy... I aint here to change your mind about NOTHING. I dont care! But...Im letting YOU know...I aint falling for YOUR bullshyte argument... And Im calling you out on it...

Well, to be honest. Nobody really knows how this EV thing is going to turn out. Gasoline prices remain cheap, even though there was a short period of Covid time where it was really really cheap. EV prices remain to be high. If GM cant find a way to price that EV Bolt at Chevrolet Trax prices AND make a profit with it, all that what I wrote is irrelevant. What @ocnblu wrote is also irrelevant because there hasnt been a time in American automobile history where Americans willfully stopped buying new cars... ICE cars will eventually wind down and no manufacturer will build them. But that is not anytime soon...

well...New car sales (lease sales) wouldnt be as high that it is/was at 17 million units last year... Each and every year, 16 million, 17 million units are sold/leased. There was a small window where there was a panic and literal meltdown when the industry dipped to 10 million... The figure, I believe, where it states that the avg age of the |American car is 11 to 12 years old is because in most parts of the US, weather is favorable to older cars, and...I think, the average American household owns 2 cars... One old car. and one newer car. And especially in the warmer parts of the US...the older car is quite old...but in good shape. But there is a very very fairly new leased car in the driveway... Yes like you said, leases are very popular in America. Exactly why the newer, shinier, blinglier EV Bolt WILL be leased when the lease to the Rogue, CR-V, Escape will be due. And NOBODY gonna buy out their CR-V lease when its up... Aint NOBODY gonna hang on to those ICE vehicles... Nothing exciting, enticing for them to do so... Practicality of gassing up? There is always a 2nd car in the family for that... To my point, when was the last time you saw a Rogue ONe Nissan Rogue on the road? That was a 2016 model... It is now 4 years old... Hence why I mentioned a 2024 EV Bolt. A CR-V that is leased today, you actually think the people in 2024 would be loyal to the CR-V to buy it out when they have a chance to drive a brand new, shinier, blinglier model in 2024 over that 4 year old CR-V? Cash for clunkers was introduced to get the economy rolling because new car sales dipped to 10 million... In 2024, I would think the economy would bounce back from Covid, actually, I did google and so far, 6 million units have been sold. That is on pace to hit 11-12 million. We are at just above half way throughn the year. That would be the number that the US hit in 2010 and 2011, the year that everyone praised the economy was finally back. It would seem that Covid hasnt had the same effect as when the economy collapsed in 2008 and 2009...

The funniest comedy And why? 1. American consumerism will never allow people to hold unto anything longer than necessary, especially when something newer, shinier and blingier comes along. The classic chasing the Joneses syndrome is a huuuuuuge part of the American psyche... And one that Americans cant let go of. Especially when the automobile is concerned. 2. And you are talking about GM, arent you? The inventors of planned obsolescence of the car...meaning, General Motors was the one to popularize last year's model is yesterday's news. General Motors perfected making your neighbor jealous with the purchase of a new car of the year approach to car sales... 3. NEW car sales is what drives the American economy. Its embedded in your economic policies, your economic thinking, in your economic well being and quite frankly, its in your American DNA... You actually believe, Americans will forego buying a new of the year EV Chevy Bolt 2024 JUST to sit on an eight year old, put put Nissan Rogue, Star Wars Rogue One Edition? If memory serves me correct, Rogue One A Star Wars Story wasnt even THAT big of a Box Office hit for Americans to clamour over it... And I just know that CR-Vs and RAV4s and Ford Escapes arent that much different than a Nissan Rogue in that there is nothing for Americans to get excited about in keeping these shytboxes a long time... OH BOY! A 4 banger CUV!!! WE MUST MAKE IT A FAMILY HEIRLOOM!!! Cash For Clunkers made me come to this conclusion... 1. The American Economy is based on NEW car sales 2. It dont matter what the average American is driving and what average age the car is...NEW CAR smell beats everything all the time. 3. American ideology and American thinking will do anything to make American citizens buy NEW cars...

^^^ I agree with you 100 and 1 percent. And there were 2 comments made to that article. And at least there are 2 others that agree with us. The comment that was made of hat article to which the second guy agreed to.

2018 I think... PS: surprisingly, Id rather the truck...

I just just realized...what could be a very very hypocritical point of view Im holding regarding sports teams names and logos that feature heads of Native American warriors. Pontiac Motor Division was named after a famous Indian Chief who also lends his name to the place of where the Motor Division built its cars. Pontiac Michigan. It may be a badge of honour to have a car maker name a brand after a Chief and depict him as the logo of said brand. Maybe because GM's naming of Pontiac Motor Division and this logo and all other variations of: was truly done with respect. I dunno what the answer is anymore. Reality is indeed complex.

I, more and more, have come to terms with the front end and in certain cases, as this Yenko 800 HP super special, have come to LOVE not only the whole package, but the front end included.

I never once thought any negativity towards black mommas. Every time I saw an Aunt Jemima pancake mix on the grocery store shelf when I went shopping with my mom and dad, I always thought: mmmmmm...pancakes. Maple syrup. I want breakfast with eggs and bacon and pancakes...RIGHT NOW!!! I dont know IF there were ANY racism towards that logo and Aunt Jemima, but as I boy lovin' Aunt Jemima pancake mix pancakes with either real Quebec maple syrup, OR Aunt Jemima syrup (not real maple syrup, but sugary maple flavoured deliciousness nonetheless), I never equated any hatred towards black folk. Au contraire. I had a FONDNESS for Southern Black women... Call me naive... Now...the Washington Redskins is another story, Same with Edmonton Eskimos and Chicago Blackhawks and Cleveland Indians' Chief Wahoo. Chief Wahoo looks like a caricature of a Native American Indian chief. THAT may be offensive to Native Americans. The Blackhawks and the Redskins' Native American Indian depiction, looks to me as a dignified portrait of a FEARSOME Native American warrior. To me...that would be respectful. To a Native American Indian...maybe not... The name of Redskin, might not be the most wonderful of names REGARDING Native Americans. THAT could be offensive. I wouldnt know as I am NOT a Native American. Blackhawk to me, would be something similar like how an ancient Greek might be a Trojan or a Spartan. Again, I wouldnt know how offensive that may be to a Native American. Eskimo is a KNOWN fact that it IS offensive to the Northern dwellers of North America. In Canada, we have stopped calling them that since the late 1970s. Inuit is what they prefer. With the Edmonton CFL team, I do NOT understand why they dont change their name. All this may sound foolish to us whiteys, but we are NOT the ones to have faced racism and bias and genocide from white people. They have. WE are the white people. I say that, because I, as a Greek, have BITTER feelings with the Ottoman Empire. Those of who who do NOT know what that means, I suggest you google...and even if the history is rewritten in the source that you chose to read, you will STILL get the jist of what I am saying. I would NOT want a Turkish soccer team to have a crappy caricature of a Spartan soldier as a logo and them calling themselves the Fighting Greeks or something like that. Id find that VERY insulting... On the other hand, American collegial/high school sports teams that have Trojans or Spartans as their name..I dont find offensive. All in context and who is who... Plays a MAJOR part in this... I know that THIS generation of white people have NOTHING to do with the past, the past does NOT simply go away just because some of us want it to... We learn from the past, yes, but sometimes some of us dont want to be reminded of it constantly also... To which is why, Turkey...went a little more hardcore last week, in saying that Agia Sofia was to become a Mosque again....nothing to do with sports, but EVERYTHING to do with racial, ethnic, religious, political control and power. And yes...sports DO cross that line... ALL the time. The Olympics...after all, the Ancient ones at least, forced all peoples that competed in them to cease and desist any aggression and wars between themselves and just focus on the spirit of competition. But Im sure regional pride still played a major role in the competitions... I have to say, when I see gun loving, 1st amendment , freedom fightin' folk use this as their freedom cry... Molon Labe ie, Come and get them... I GET SO PHOQUING ANGRY!!! Cultural appropriation and misdirection comes to my mind. Start your own motto and get your own history and STOP phoquing up mine is what I think! So I get and understand the sports teams changing names in 2020. I could even say and admit...I agree with it.

Oh...That is coming Im afraid. Give it time. Statues and sports teams names first along with certain elements from TV shows and movies. And 2nd in line ARE the old Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry cartoons. Actually, those have already been modified since the 1980s. Speedy Gonzales and his Mexican friends and Tom's (Tom and Jerry) mother...a husky black woman, have already been eliminated from TV. Also...in the 1980s, all the Wile E. Coyote dust puffs from him falling and landing have been cut... This PC thing is not from yesterday. Its been with us since the start of the 1980s. It has been snowballing ever since...but it has been there since the Reagan administration. (Not saying his Presidency had anything to do with it, but saying it has been there since 5 Presidents ago...)

Duck Dodger in the 21st and half ceeeeeentury!!!! (or at keast that is how I remember it goes...)

What Portland, Oregon? Anger Southern and maybe you downvoted because, why? I dont know why you downvoted Southern, but I took it upon myself to (not derail the word association thread) and post a Bugs Bunny/Yosemite Sam Looney Tune cartoon depicting an angry (Southern soldier) Yosemite Sam... Im acutely aware of where Portland resides on the map... Im deeply understanding (pun intended of the deep part) of where the South is and what Southern States make up the South. In fact, in the cartoon, the Mason-Dixon line is shown. Not only do I know what that means and why it is, but I also know that you, buddy boy, live very close to the Mason-Dixon line to the south of you... In fact, that beautiful river you posted a while ago crosses that line... Im surprised you didnt get the connection... You always do...

@ocnblu I say...I say 'ole boy, David wasnt that far off I give you Anger & Southern, the only way I know. The Looney Tune way.

Loved that movie Back to the game: Elvis

You wouldn't even know how...

You said it yourself... the oil industry feeds far more than... So why does the oil industry STILL get help from that same state coffer you want to defend? The oil industry is a multi trillion gabagoodillion dollar industry. Why arent you up in arms for them still getting some teet from taxpayers? Like I said... I really dont understand the pushback that some industries face while others dont seem to bother the endless sucking of public money even when its CERTAINLY not necessary anymore... PS: Like you say, even if gasoline powered cars go away, there is enough oil products to be consumed that the oil industry still stays to be a gabagoodillion dollar industry. There is no need for big oil to cry foul for EV subsidy help, or gasoline taxes to go up or whatever. The big oil industry is certainly not gonna go away and whither. And BECAUSE its a gabagoodillion dollar industry, they could INVEST in EVs and make THAT much MORE money. But NO! The fat phoquing cats that collect all that phoquing money from all the phoquing oil derivative products out there, and all the phoquing government subsidies want ALL that wealth ALL to themselves... And WE as consumers ALLOW them to do that. Ill repeat.... I really dont understand the pushback that some industries face while others dont seem to bother the endless sucking of public money even when its CERTAINLY not necessary anymore... What we OUGHT TO DO, is pull a French revolution on some of these fat phoquing cats STILL having their fat phouqing cat hands out. Let them eat cake...and they beheaded the bitch... Ill repeat: At the turn of the last century, big oil got all kinds of help...all kinds of wars were fought, people died...but yet here we are...we get a little upset when gasoline taxes are asked to go up to subsidize another power source... Why do we want to be so loyal to big oil? I mean...I get why Texans and Albertans get all huffy and puffy about it. But as for Alberta...they got another source of energy they could exploit. WATER... They could EASILY make gabagoodillion amounts of money doing the water thing... NOPE! If the people that want to continue to pollute the planet by driving internal combustion engines...THEY could subsidize the cleaner fuel alternative. And when not enough taxpayer money is collected by gasoline, we could tax electricity the way we tax gasoline in 2020... Oh...and when EXXON's ship captain gets drunk and hits a rock because he was too sloshed to see where the phoque he was going...EXXON could pay BILLIONS in not only clean-ups, but in FINES. Dont worry...EXXON has got gabagoodillion amounts of money. They could afford it the billions in fines to clean up their messes... (yes I realize that was a 30 year old accident...but oil spills CONTINUE to happen WITHOUT a NAY or PEEP by ANYBODY. I toss a banana peel in the street, Ill get pushed to the ground, read my rights and fined...and Im lucky for that as I have white skin...had I been black though...)

Well... The oil industry got big big....big subsidies from governments...and continue to get big, big...big subsidies from governments to continue on... Tit for tat is what I say. Government gives tax breaks to car makers all the time Government has bailed out car makers in the past. These car makers produce oil burning cars. Does it seem economically fair to let EVs survive on their own? The oil industry did not do it on their own. I really dont get the push back for one industry to get help while the other STILL gets help...

This had me laughing. I got a visual cue from Robocop. And then poof! This song popped in my head