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You are on the assumption that BEs will never be produced using an affordable for everyone business model. Eventually, a) All that tech will be paid for by early adopters. b) All that tech will be made affordable by the sheer amount of EVs produced FORCIBLY by the FACT that multiple nations/cities will be banning ICE in the near future. c) All that tech will eventually be produced by a company that has a business plan specifically tailored for the mainstream market. Chinese EV tech companies already exist specifically tailored for such a market... I didnt say these EVs are Tesla Model S and Model E equivalents which could resemble Duesenberg Model SJ and Bentley Blower equivalents of the 1920s and 1930s. The Chinese EVs are more like 1930s Fiat 500 Topolinos and VW Type 1 "Kafer" or Beetle to British and Americans... The Chevrolet Bolt, Nissan Leaf and Hyundai Kona are more akin to Ford Model As with a slightly higher price tag for the day that the Model A had. But the deal is that affordable EVs that are quite capable are ALREADY available without being penalized as if these were Fiat 500 Topolinos of the 1930s Italy driven around in 1930s America... A Ford Model A was THE hot rodders choice...and how I sees it, a Chevrolet Bolt drivetrain does very well with many folk that electrify their hot rod of choice... (I dont need to post former ICE vehicles that folk have decided to electrify with Chevy Bolt motors and batteries. I KNOW you know they exist) Prices are high for almost all EV entries as of now. The North American market is not a very good judge of what EV pricing will look like and you are basing this idea with North American pricing. Yes... I know we both live in North America... Problem is...the WORLD is shifting AWAY from EVs... No matter how strong the US car market is in sales/year as compared to other car markets of the world. There is a BIGGER car market in China. When you add Europe to that mixture and when you combine ALL the car manufactures that Asia and Europe has (and both markets are in FAVOUR (government mandated) of an ICE ban, and when you realize that American car companies are only 2, FoMoCo and GM... then Im surprised why you are NOT scared shytless about how slow the American car market (because even in Canada, we Canadians dont really mind going all EV) is adapting to this changing of the guard... But then again...GM is said to be going all out EVs. Tesla is American, so is Rivian... Like I said, there WILL be affordable EVs. YOU are just not seeing that right now because Americans are too much caught up in disinformation and shytty slogans rather than what REALLY is going on... Irony at its finest. Tesla is at the top of EVs in sales, tech and charging infrastructure. They wont be collapsing anytime soon... GM is said to be adapting to this new reality. GM MIGHT collapse if folk dont STOP buying Teslas to buy Chevrolet Bolts and Cadillac Lyriqs... Lets be honest, GM in North America, when Quebec, New York State, Ontario, California, British Columbia, Washington and others BAN new ICE car purchases in a decade or so from now, GM wont necessarily have enough sales with ICE to make it past Honda, Toyota and Hyundai with ICE sales in North America... In an ever shrinking ICE market in North America in 10 years from now, when Im assuming gasoline prices will be through the roof to DISCOURAGE the use of gasoline in cars, Im wondering how is it that GM survives solely on V8 powered Tahoes and Sierras? Catch-22... DO they ditch EVs or do they ditch ICE to capture lost market share? (to other EVs and to Toyota, Honda and Hyundai...a trend that continues to be a thing SINCE the 1970s...) Keep in mind that pick-up trucks are lucrative BECAUSE they also command high price tags... Kinda like how Tesla commands high price tags for THEIR EVs...

That would be MY quote... But...if you mean by Tesla scrambling to compete for a consumer's dollar regarding a vehicle purchase, than yes. BUT... Concerning the EV market...they got that all to themselves. AND... when governments all over the world are getting on the "ban the ICE" bandwagon... And the ONLY choice consumers have to make is between EV and ICE and ICE has been taken away from them...so the consumer gets to decide what EV purchase they are forced to buy, then as it goes now...Tesla is the clear choice that consumers are gonna be making... Leaving century old car makers in the dust...

Let us have our disagreements and lets put those on the side... 1. Merry Christmas 2. AWESOME RIDE! I LOVE your purchase! Great colour! Great motor! Great ride all together!

Dressed up like a million dollar troopah. Tryin' hard to look like Gary Coopah. (supah dupah)

^^^ In comparison The Tesla Roadster is a battery electric vehicle based on the Lotus Elise that was produced by Tesla Motors, now known as Tesla inc. A Palo Alto California based car manufacturer that is also a technology company with its core technologies as the battery, the computer software and the proprietary motor. Tesla Motors would eventually start building a proprietary charging network all across the planet. The Roadster used lithium ion battery sells and the first electric car to travel to more than 200 miles per charge. Tesla would go on to sell 2 450 Roadsters in over 30 countries propelling Tesla to continue on in engineering and producing more electric cars. The Model S, Model X, Model 3 and Model Y while other vehicles are in the pipeline including a pick-up truck and a second generation Roadster. The Model S and Model 3 becoming smash hit successes. The other established gasoline powered car manufactures that are a century old, give or take, are currently scrambling to compete with Tesla Inc in the EV market.

Tesla not only has the best EV tech and software (and the yahoo dude does mention that the Mach E compares and competes very favorably with the Model Y), Tesla also has a better charging infrastructure. His words: And well, I do realize that one component for success for EVs is a substantial and reliable and kick ass charging system. And if the rest of the EV makers out there will rely on a shytty one like this, it will be an uphill battle. On the other hand, Tesla will continue to rack of those EV sales, and if electrifying the world will be SOLEY made by Tesla, then so be it...

A certain comeuppance will be long overdue. Patience.

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Fun Fact: Louis Chevrolet, Cavelier De La LaSalle and Antoine de la Mothe Cadillac all spent some time in Montreal. GMC... I meant to say GMC earlier. (as I knew you love the Sierra!) Its late and Im tired, my mind is mush. Awesome!!! Yup. Its only money.

Antoine de la Mothe Cadillac 1658 – 1730

Congrats are finally due! Tacoma, huh? Then you better make sure you opt for that special undercarriage greasing thing they do over at the dealership. (I know you got a Chevy)

Ill be watching the movie Memphis Belle soon. @A Horse With No Name inspired me to do so. I got the DVD. Bought it a loooooong time ago. Saw the movie at the movie theatre a looooong time ago when it first came out.

I do not know when in December you got married...but... HAPPY FIRST ANNIVERSARY!!!

Sure! What's a good "I dont give a shyte!" type of drink? Maybe a boilermaker? It dont matter as I dont give a shyte! We should get together, drink, have a few laughs not giving a shyte!

Well...Im fascinated. (maybe this should go in the "what are you listening to" thread?) (nah! its good in here too!) PS: Ill watch that inbred video sometime tonight...

The Mandalorian A not too shabby series Id say. Kept my son and I occupied for a few minutes and quenched our thirst for Star Wars. Battlebots is next. Found out that a new season has begun...maybe? At least I think its a new season and not a rerun. I recorded it on Sunday and we will watch it sometime between tomorrow and XMAS eve.

^^^ It dont matter about quantifying when cars were perfected with ease of ownership and the like. The point is...even with Toyoter's Hybrds in 1997...the POINT is that, even by your own admission, Ocnblu's words to be exact, by the 1930s, ease of gas powered cars came into its own. And what you go on to say on the post above. Lets be real though. We havent yet reached the time lapse of today's BEVs to get to that point in time to EQUAL the gasoline powered cars time of coming into their own. We havent reach a time for an EV Model T equivalent yet. There is no such EV on sale as we speak. Most BEVs on sale as of now...are of the Duesenberg equivalent variety. But to make a comparison and an EQUAL statement of this quote with BEVs No; there arent as many charge stations as there are gas stations, but for daily driving back and forth to work, there isnt a need for such as charging from home is a reality for most folk who buy a BEV. Prior to Tesla, Hybrids were mostly used as an electric alternative. People with hybrids never had to screech to charge up at a...Costco. Just fill 'er up at the Costco with gas. Point being, EVs at this stage, in 2020 are about where ICE cars were in the 1920s. Late 1920s early 1930s. Teslas as EVs are just about as advanced and fast as Duesenbergs were in those same late '20s and into the '30s. Rivian, Lucid could be what Mercedes, Cadillacs and Rolls Royces were at that time too. Except that even in December of 2020 and heading into 2021, Rivian and Lucid arent even ready to sell 1 bloody car yet, but Mercedes, Cadillacs and Rolls Royces were household names by the 1920s... Tesla is the ONLY one... To boot, BEVs dont even have a Ford, Dodge, Chevrolet equivalent to boost the sales to the mainstream for the BEV to be revolutionary to the common man the way Fords, Chevys and Dodges were to the common folk in the . THAT started as EARLY as 1908 as you stated for the gas powered car. BEVs and steam powered cars were actually a thing in those days. But it took a Model T and the production line to cement the gasoline powered car to what it is today. Tesla is the ONLY one in 2020 doing the heavy lifting for BEVs. THAT is what you get when the internal combustion engine has had 100 years to develop and to perfect and to simplify and make life easy to own such a contraption. Some of that easiness and perfection, a BEV takes advantage of (roads, highways, drive-through fast food windows and banks...) and others, the BEV has to create its own... Its not fair to discuss the 100 years of ICE development JUST to look down on BEVs. ICE is superior has an advantage BECAUSE it has had 100 years to be PERFECTED. Battery electric motorvation has a potential. A real potential. To deny that is to be naïve. If not naïve, disingenuous then. Another point: To believe that BEVs are not exciting...then that is a bunch of hooie! But Ill entertain that thought. If one is to think that BEVs are just appliances, well, the gas powered car started that way of thinking a looong time ago waaaaay before MODERN BEVs came into play. Nope, it didnt start in the 1970s either. It started WITH the Model T waaay back in 1908. It was a tool for the common man to use to go to work. To use as a truck on his farm etc... It brought the mythical horseless carriage to the masses. It had a whopping 20 HP. The Model A double its power to a mind blowing 40 HP. Meanwhile, the real fast toys over at Bentley, Rolls Royce and Duesenberg all had 250-400 HP... Yeah yeah...hot rodding and muscle cars... Face the truth...the very gas powered car that made America also implanted a seed that cars are appliances. It took time a very long time for that seed to grow, but station wagons, minivans and SUVs is what became of that Model T appliance seed...and all of those vehicles I mentioned is what most Americans have bought since the 1960s... Oh...let us not forget the pick-up truck. As fun as the pick-up truck maybe today with Raptor and TREX variants, the pick-up truck still represents the mundane work-horse and family hauler appliance piece the Model T was invented as... All to say... Modern BEVs havent reached the timelines of those early gas powered cars yet. However, the milestones that gas-powered cars reached in those first 30-40 years, the modern BEVS are attaining them as we speak in a shorter time frame.

New: Ive owned 2 Fords, 1 Oldsmobile, I Chevy, 1 Pontiac, 1 Acura, 1 Nissan, 1 Mazda. All bought new either by by my wife before we got married (Nissan) or when I was single (Oldsmobile, Pontiac) or when I got married. And not one car was unreliable. Not one. Every single one of these cars were driven. Hard. Taken care of. But driven hard. By me. And not one was problematic. Some had issues. But these issues were more of symptoms of their environment more than anything else. The Nissan leaked oil and on occasion on really really cold days, it wouldnt start. The Oldsmobile had ball joint issues. Id blame potholes more than Id blame GM. The Acura has had 2 recalls and the Ford has had...plenty. But none were a problem for my wife and I to go about our daily business with owing these cars. Ive heard horror stories though. From my circle of family and friends from when I was a kid to today regarding all kinds of cars and all kinds of brands through-out my 47 years of life. Ive witnessed people I associate with overreact to some pretty stupid shyte regarding "reliability". Like replacing an alternator after 8 years of owning a car and how its GM's fault for allowing such a thing to falter. To some folk blatantly accuse Chrysler products of breaking down when oil changes arent even being made to flat out ignoring glaring defaults like its no big deal because Honda and Nissan just replaced the transmission (Honda) and engine (Nissan) for free. Or waiting for a window motor for 5 months to be shipped from Germany (no big deal driving in the winter with a garbage bag over the window but impatient when a dealership overbooked and she couldnt get her VW on time. Got it at 3:00 instead of at 2:00. In other words... People's perception of "reliability" and how grave a problem really is is totally whack. Truth be told, maybe even MY perception could be totally whacked. But Ill tell ya one thing, I have NEVER been stranded with one of my cars. Well once. The Nissan. It was a New Years Eve one year. A very cold one. And the stupid thing didnt want to start that night. My wife and I were newly weds, no kids yet and we were celebrating New Years aat my Best Man's home. He drove us home that night. In the morning, my wife and I took my Alero to his home to see what may be the problem and the phoquing thing started on the first try. The thing is, it was COLDER in the day than it was during the night. Strange thing... That 1999 Nissan Sentra was a strange little car. I beat the phoque out of it because I hated it. But it never died. I went through potholes, I revved the phoque out of it. Nothing could kill it. The Alero by contrast had ball joint issues when I hit a couple of pot holes... Byt that little Sentra... It didnt want to start on occasion but it was a tough little warrior.

All 1966 Oldsmobiles. I like 1966 for cars. Some beautiful machines came out from the Detroit Michigan area in 1966

It took a century for the gasoline powered car to be perfected is what I said. To be almost perfect. I said it took decades for all that to be in place. And a century to be perfected. I said it took 2 bloody decades for the horseless carriage to be a car. Nothing I said is fakenews. All that I wrote is true. Nothing in the 1930s, was perfected for the gasoline powered car. No highway system. No autobahn. No gasoline stores at every corner. Automatic transmissions came in at the very end of the 1930s. 1930s gasoline powered cars were waaay better than what came before. A huuuge step forward from the previous decade and before, but still primitive. It took another 40-50 years for this to be perfected...to where we are today. Today...all the roads, the gas stations, the pumping of oil and refining and transport of the final gasoline product, the car dealership network, the marketing, the planning and execution of production of automobiles, is a reflex of everyday life. THAT is what I said. It took a CENTURY to perfect a near perfect system for the internal combustion powered car.... If you and Balthy (becausse he upvoted your mispoken and very ill informed comprehension of my post) well, nothing I could do otherwise... But here we are: A decade into a REAL engineering push for electric cars and its battery tech, as compared to even the 1890s-1930s comparison you are so proud of trying to show me up...and you still fail... 1890s-1930s is 40 years... Tesla and Toyota with Hybrid tech and its ONLY been a decade, give or take a couple of years... Even if you wanna include GMs EV1 of the mid 1990s, that would ONLY be 25 years... But hey... @ocnblu...way to teach me a thing or two.

Always loved this song. Forgot about it until...now. Going down youtube wormholes makes you rediscover things while uncovering and discovering new things. I love youtube. Relieves stress.

Going back to my feel good roots: 1980s rock

Let the sunshine in. Smilers never lose and frowners never win!

I was listening to music to mellow out. (from Covid fatigue) I came across this. I think Ive mellowed out. I love '50s rock. This version is more...cha cha. I guess the beautiful girl dancing the cha cha in soothed my tortured soul. It has been on loop for the last 40 minutes. My lovely wife doesnt get why Im dancing to the same song over and over. Oh well. Ill make it up to her when the kids go to bed ce soir!