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@trinacriabob Je n'ai rien fait de spécial pour mon anniversaire. Merci d'avoir demandé. @ocnblu She asked me what I did for my birthday. (Il veut etre repondu avec la langue des tetes carrées ) Ici, on parle francais, mon tabarnak!!! (Ive heard that a few times...)

@dfelt How many of us have been saying about the right EV product (SUV/CUV) with the right combination of range, price, esthetics, dimensions, utility WILL sell well!!! (referring to the Mustang Mach-E) Thanx for posting. Now...hopefully Ford actually hits those performance numbers as promised.

True. But (affordable)sports cars lately...dont really sell well... Muscle cars, when done and marketed well...actually DO sell well. The Challenger is proof of that. Affordable mid-engined cars...when well done, unlike the Fiero, like the Toyoter MR2...didnt sell well way back in the day. Ironically, the Fiero DID sell well... When GM is moving away from ICE and going towards EVs...I dont think an affordable mid-engined ICE vehicle will make sense. Maybe the Camaro will become an affordable EV sports car. Skateboard platform and the battery being housed under the carriage type deal negates a need for...a mid-engined ICE sports car. However... Corvette and/or Cadillac could benefit from this Speed proposal. But from different "fiction" discussion. Cadillac could include a mid-engined sports car in its line-up with a Black-Wing V8...or better yet...what you have proposed with your Microblock engine ideas. However, like @Robert Hall said, high priced, ultra performing Vettes are part of the fabric...so Z06/ZR1, Zora full on EV or hybrid Vette is a must for being a Chevrolet and a Corvette at that. Your Speed idea is a GREAT idea if Corvette was its own brand. Yes...Cadillac be more awesome if it too, had a version of the C8. But...Cadillac needs product that better defines what Cadillac is all about. Cadillac is starved of such product as of now. A mid-engined sports car is not that product. When Cadillac rights itself, then and only then will a supercar should be in its cards. The XLR was flubbed. The Cien came and went as a concept. The Ciel, El Miraj were wasted as concepts. That was Cadillac's chance. Now...15 years later, they need to re-think their product line-up again. EVs are gonna be their new battle ground.

I personally think Chevy will kill the Camaro as is, but will re-invent it as an EV crossover coupe thingy (like you said...but EV) to compete with the Mustang Mach-E. As I posted above, I wasnt trolling with the E-ROC comment. Electric Racing of Champions instead of IROC. There is also no reason to believe its staying either... GM has been....silent on the future of Camaro after 2023. That means anything really. But its more of a negative to be silent than a positive. Very very true... However. This is GENERAL MOTORS we are talking about!!! GM has already killed the F-Body twins with similar sales in 2002 as the sales that the Alpha platform ATS and Camaro generated. And...in 2002...SUVs were all the rage which was a major reason for canceling the F-Body and killing the Camaro/Firebird. In 2020, SUVs and CUVs have become the bread and butter products and EVs have somewhat become all the rage and Camaro is neither. Mizz Barra DID say GM was going full on electric in 2023 and beyond. This is why I have stated that Camaro will probably be an EV CUV to rival the Mustang Mach-E. Or if not a CUV, then an EV coupe the Camaro will become. I have strong suspicions.

They understand it. They speak it but are too shy to do so if that makes any sense... I mean, if they are forced to speak Greek, they will do so. But its not as fluid as I speak it. To be fair, at home, we speak English and French more often than we do Greek. Sad to say. But reality dictates that Greek is not part of our environment. Even when we have family get togethers, we speak English more often than not. Its like the sentence is started in English, therefore English would be the language and structure we define our communications with and Greek words are substituted sometimes in place of English ones. And sometimes French words are also added to the sentences as well. And that is how my kids "speak" Greek as well... They will back away from speaking fully Greek though. I speak almost perfectly in Greek. I do have a slight anglophone tone when I do speak Greek as opposed to a Greek from Greece. Plus I obviously dont speek Greek lingo from Greece. I also speak Greek at a slower speed than native Greeks do. But my speed is matched to theirs after a couple of days when Im there. (In Greece) But my anglophone tone remains. Same with my (Quebec) French. My (Quebec) French is on par with the Frenchies of Quebec, except I got that slight English thing going on. Its ever so slight, but one could tell Im an anglophone. My dad's French was pure laine Quebecois though. And his English was pure Canadian English (Montreal English). My English goes from a Montreal English accent to a slight American one. Blame American culture...

daughter is 14 and son is 12.

My birthday was yesterday. Saturday, got home from work tired and greasy and in pain (chest and muscles hurt from cleaning the restaurant and from a cold). Took a shower and I took the family out to dinner to celebrate. We had a nice time. We saw Venom the movie when we got home. Yesterday, my actual birthday, came home from work tired and greasy and in pain (chest and muscles hurt from cleaning the restaurant and from a cold). Took a shower. We saw Alien and Aliens. My wife hates those movies so she went to bed early. My kids, twas the first time they saw it. Today. Sweet phoque all! Its Spring Break for them, and Im actually staying away from all members. Im being anti-social as I want some needed "me" time. Im feeling much better physically, but I need some alone time. Nothing to do with me aging one more year LOL. Ive just had a very very rough...month at work and with this cold...I just need to unwind. But tomorrow...we are going skating!!! Yeah...I was supposed to go into work but BECAUSE Im feeling better, but Im also feeling a little remorse for being anti-social...I will go skating with my kids!!! The wife could come too...but she dont skate. She could stay home and cook if anything.

Sure... But..as @riviera74 and @dfelt have stated. And like you also have made a comparison with Mercedes Benz and the GLA... Cadillac, should NOT enter Buick and Chevrolet air space. The Yukon Denali enters Cadillac airspace and THAT is OK for Buick. Buick NEEDS cars in the upper echelon that touch Cadillac prestige to retain Buick luxury status. Chevrolet could enter Buick airspace to attract buyers in the Chevy showrooms. Halo cars like the Corvette and high speed Camaros (ZL1s and the like) were always expensive and entered Cadillac airspace. And those cars helped sell the rest of the Chevrolet line-up of Biscaynes and Bel Airs and Chevelles which also made Chevrolet introduce a new niche. The "SS" muscle car trims of their family grocery getters. And those "SS" trims entered Pontiac and Oldsmobile airspace. And the same thing happened over at Pontiac with their GTO and Trans Am offerings, but Pontiac also had personal luxury coupes to sell. And the same thing over at Oldsmobile and so forth and so forth... Zoom over to 2020. Same thing. Only that Pontiac and Oldsmobile do not exists anymore. Cadillac has been cheapened to sell more cars. That would be a 1980s mistake. The dealership network has to understand that Cadillac at one time, sold cars on the merit of LUXURY, PRESTIGE and QUALITY. By down pricing and selling Cadillac, LUXURY, PRESTIGE and QUALITY also goes DOWN. THAT is the nature marketing. And its done NATURALLY. When cars being sold at the SAME price level and NICHE MARKETS as even your OWN entry level, family haulin' brands, your own pricing DICTATES what MARKET you are gonna be playing in. What airspace you are filling... You (GM/Cadillac) is DEFINING that space... Mercedes is lucky and unlucky at the same time as M-B for a time now, has to do all that on ONE brand. Its a curse but a blessing. A curse because their marketing AND engineering has to be top notch. A blessing because if their marketing AND engineering is top notch, their luxury cars are the best, and THAT sells their lower end cars. If they sputter on one of the two, then both luxury and entry level go to hell. Cadillac does NOT NEED that headache... All Cadillac needs to do is just be...CADILLAC. The rest follows ON ITS OWN. Mercedes had to INVENT slogans like: "Engineered like no other" or 'Nothing but the best" Mercedes had to CONVINCE buyers that that is true. But they also had to deliver on that promise. Cadillac ONLY has to deliver on the goods. Cadillac invented only ONE slogan. "The Standard of the world" after they won the Dewar award almost 100 years ago. After that, Cadillac ONLY played in Cadillac airspace and "engineered their cars like no other" and were truly "nothing but the best" and the PEOPLE came up with this slogan "Its the Cadillac of..." By occupying high priced Chevrolet airspace, and low to mid-level Buick airspace...do you (CCAP) actually think that the Cadillac version will be at Cadillac levels of prestige, LUXURY and especially QUALITY? I personally dont think so.... The Cadillac Escalade is NOT at a Chevrolet Tahoe level or Yukon Denali level...but the Yukon Denali is at Escalade levels of luxury, prestige and quality. But for Cadillac playing in Buick and especially Chevrolet airspace...one gets the OPPOSITE reaction towards Cadillac. Ive said this before.... When a Cadillac ATS is sold SIDE BY SIDE, PRICE FOR PRICE, (more or less) with a Chevrolet Impala, with the Impala getting a more powerful engine than the entry level ATS and the SAME engine with a mid level ATS, with the IMPALA seemingly getting a NICER interior than the CADILLAC ATS...than its no bueno for Cadillac and its image.... But lets not fool ourselves. The Escalade truly is a Cadillac. The Chevrolet Tahoe is no where NEAR the Escalade... BUT...the Tahoe is probably gonna be a MORE luxurious, better quality vehicle than a possible Cadillac XT3... And THAT leads to PRESTIGE...which shoots Cadillac in the foot by trying to sell vehicles it has NO BUSINESS selling in the first place. Let Buick handle that niche. If Cadillac "needs" a small CUV like a XT3, then the XT3 NEEDS to have a PRICE TAG, that BEFITS a CADILLAC which in turns needs to have the ENGINEERING, TECH, LUXURY that BEFITS a Cadillac... Which means it needs to be EXPENSIVE as HELL...to support all that!!! And maybe a small CUV that is expensive as hell might not sell in high numbers enough for Cadillac to invest in...which means Cadillac might cheapen all those qulaities and THAT is no bueno... And if Cadillac wont do that, and if Cadillac might NOT sell enough expensive as hell XT3s, then either way...Cadillac needs to stay the hell out of that market. Mercedes on the other hand...has that luxury to play with. Produce and sell luxury vehicles and produce and sell entry level stuff. The luxury stuff is celebrated by folk just because and that alone sells the entry level stuff. GM has Buick. Different brands, Mercedes and Cadillac. Mercedes and Cadillac were a force in the luxury market pre 1940s. 2 World Wars forced Mercedes to be what it is today. Entry level, luxury and trucks. Military and commercial. GM was that too. But GM had other brands... GREED and STUPIDITY made Cadillac be what they are today. It works for Mercedes because war and the fight to survive made Mercedes re-invent itself. GREED and STUPIDITY ultimately made Cadillac fight for survival and the now need to survive...and be more like Mercedes. Mercedes might have copied Cadillac in the 1960s and 1970s to regain their place in the luxury world, Cadillac did not need to sell more lower priced cars like Mercedes did... and THAT is what is STILL killing Cadillac. That DUMB ideology that Cadillac needs to be in EVERY garage in all facets of North American life. It does NOT. Cadillac only needs to sell to the stupidly, filthy rich!!! Great rant? Stupid rant? Give me a break. Im still sick (but getting better) and I havent talk cars for a while...

GM and Chevrolet is already, kinda saying goodbye to the Camaro. Maybe. No news on what will happen to the nameplate, platform, replacement/successor, refreshes... Chevrolet has been very very silent on what happens to the Camaro after 2023. Neither saying Camaro will end completely nor saying it will continue on. Neither saying the platform will end nor getting an update. Neither saying Camaro will live on, on another platform, or go fully EV, or becoming a sport CUV or becoming the Mach-E competitor named the Camaro E-ROC (electric race of champions)... With that being said..... Had Tadge Juechter been interested in creating the Corvette into a brand of its own, because he is really not wanting to go into that direction, this would have been a FANTASTIC idea...as a Corvette model. As another sports car sold under the Chevrolet name plate under Corvette, and beside or replacing Camaro...it ain t gonnna fly. The market wont support this. The Camaro has already died before. GM sports cars just under the Corvette have died... The Firebird has died. The Solstice that kinda tried to replace the Firebird died. The mid-engined Fiero that was to replace the Firebird but was sold alongside the Firebird has died. We could go into the reasons why those died (shoddy engineering choices blah blah blah...), but at the same time, the market then also supported many other sports cars. The Fiero, Firebird, had competitors with the Supras and 300ZX TTs, and Celicas, and MR2s and Mitsu 3000GTs/Dodge Stealths and Mitsu Eclipses/Eagle Talons...so even if GM/Pontiac flopped the marketing and engineering of their sports cars, the market supported all the other entries. But then...the market stopped with those too... And alas, the only one to survive was the Mustang...which was in grave danger in disappearing too at one time... The Challenger had died twice before, before being resurrected again to great success. But lets look at that scenario. The Challenger died the 1st time because of the gasoline crisis and insurance hikes on fast 2 door coupes (muscle cars) and folks couldnt afford them any more. Also, big cubed cars were shunned upon. Then it became a god awful Japanese badge engineered mess of a thing. But MOPAR got smart and done the Stealth and Eclipse. Then it returned...AS A MUSCLE CAR again. This mid-engined idea is FAR from being a muscle car. It seems to me that a 2 door sporty coupe needs to have muscle car intentions to succeed... The Camaro fails because its persona may be muscle car, but its execution is not. When it was on the Zeta platform, the interior visibility was a mess, but because it was new again, it was a success. Then it to the fantastic Alpha platform, and although its a great sports car, its NOT a Camaro... Visibility issues aside, there is another problem. The exterior design is OLD OLD OLD now. The movie transformers came out 3 years BEFORE the car came out. 2007 for the movie and 2010 Going by THAT...the exterior look of this "new" Camaro is already 13 years old and a decade old with the car itself. The Camaro needs a NEW look...like NOW.... But...if we look at the Challenger, which as an exterior LOOK is concerned, is just as old...but MOPAR has INVESTED it MARKETABILITY and MADE the Challenger COOL to be what its supposed to be...a MUSCLE CAR. Ford has done the same thing to the Mustang. The Mustang has been COOL to be a PONY CAR again since 2005. Changed the look of the Mustang with AWESOME refreshes, like the Challenger, changed the platform and the LOOK of the Mustang, changed its persona in becoming more European in flavour, but succeeding in keeping its AMERICAN MUSCLE CAR presence... This Chevy Speed is, to me at least, NOT what the doctor ordered for Chevrolet at this point in time. The Camaro could STILL live on as its numbers as is are NOT THAT BAD. Problems for the Camaro are stale. Retro looks from a1969 model has become passé and cliché. Crap visibility. Mustang on both accounts is a tad better and the Challenger is better still. Then finally, marketing has to improve for not only the Camaro, but for Chevrolet and General Motors in the grand scheme of things. The Chevy Speed as presented, is not a muscle car. 2 door American coupes need to be muscle cars is what I think the market is calling for. And the Camaro sales are really not that bad actually...in a market world of CUVs... The Chevy Speed should be tocthe M-E Corvette as was the Ferrari Dino to the bigger Ferraris from the 1960s. A cheaper alternative... to the Corvette brand had Tadge been interested in making Corvette a brand on its own. As a model under the Corvette beside the Camaro or replacing it wont work. As a Corvette brand on its own. I think Corvette could succeed this way. In the short term. Long term...well Porsche right now may be in a little bit of a pickle as 20 some odd years of expanding into the SUV world, their CURRENT fans know Porsche MORE for Macans, Cayennes and 4 door sedans then they are for what made them what they are b y getting these new fans into their showrooms in the first place. Great rant? Bad rant? Im sick and I havent talked cars for awhile. Give me a break...

I have a very bad chest cold the last 2-3 days. Also, We decided to majorly de-grease and clean the restaurant the last couple of days, while I was sick, so that hasnt been too pleasant on every account. And on my birthday, we as a family did not do anything special, but my wife and kids love me and I am the luckiest guy around because of it...so yeah...thanx for asking my American brotha from anothah mothah. @USA-1

I thought that the President made the phat phoque of a dictator promise with full pinky swears that he wont be testing and releasing anymore missiles into the air... I thought the President declared that he has achieved peace with that phat phoque. I wanna know what caused the phat phoque to go against that pinky swear that he had with the President? OK!!! I wanna know who released doves in North Korea's air space???!!! I want that man (or woman)...........FIRED!!!

@ccap41 yes I did. I also stopped with the plastic coffee stir sticks and use wooden ones. All my other stuff is recycled paper containers. The only thing left are the lids. Coffee and sodey pop lids remain plastic. There are no viable alternatives to those just yet. I think as Im not aware of any products that could replace those. But Im sure there will be people that will bitch that my containers are one shot deals as well as there are other fast food joints that use re-usable containers. Kinda like bring your own containers type deal. We dont do that. And yes....Ive had people compliment me for the papers straws for "saving the planet" as much as I had people bitch about them that the sodey pop tastes different and that the taste is shyte. Others bitch because the paper straws dissolve waaaay too quick... We switched to paper straws for two reasons. 1. Yes...its good to do some sort of tree huggin' actions once in awhile. Every little thing helps... 2. I think its Quebec Law to reduce plastics and I think there is a ban for plastic straws that will come in effect sometime soon. If it hasnt been enacted already...

I already have brother... its you that chooses to ignore. PS: you ask the wrong questions...

I think you answered your own question...in the same post I might add... PS: "solely by man"...may be your ticket out... But MY discussion was never about "solely by man"... It is about a growing human population that ICE may not be a good way to travel anymore. Possible electric motorvation may be a viable alternative. Lets discuss that....I said... It lead to climate change...which ICE and carbon monoxide is HUGELY a factor of air pollution...hence the human population growth argument where more and more people will have more access to ICE and hence even MORE carbon monoxide in our atmosphere...which I say that sure! YEAH! Human activity DOES INFLUENCE climate change... I also say that there is a NATURAL course of climate change...but humans DO influence it NEGATIVELY... So I guess, we are talking past each other... Here...more pics.. 1 milllion years ago on planet earth Sulfur and carbon dioxide and all kinds of other gases. Heats up the earth. Cools it down to extreme also with ash fallouts causing ice ages... Today...we dont have volcanoes that erupt on mass extinction levels on almost a daily occurence... But...we have this mess... Oil fires Industry car pollution...stuck in traffic going nowhere real fast... Almost the same phoquing thing...aint it? KEEP IN MIND WE DO NOT HAVE VOLCANOES ERUPTING TO THE MAGNITUDE AND FREQUENCY OF THE ANCIENT ANCIENT TIMES...to support the million years ago argument... PSS: STILL no Data or links or proof to support your side of the discussion. Just words trying to find some sort of fallacy to discredit on. Trying to find a "gotcha" statement. "AHA! 2016 was supposed to be the end of the earth...but we are still here. " Yet this "gotcha" moment does NOT address the fact that..well...pollution is killing us...no matter what AL Gore said about 2016...

Therefore... BECAUSE the time was wrong and more or less a scare tactic of when Earth will cease to be able to sustain HUMAN life (because we really arent killing the planet, we are killing ourselves)...then humans are NOT on the road to ruin causing our OWN distinction therefore we shall continue our destructive ways? Unless of course you dont think the way we do things now are NOT destructive... And...BECAUSE the time was wrong and more or less a scare tactic of when Earth will cease to be able to sustain HUMAN life..then we should do NOTHING about it. Because the time was wrong and more or less a scare tactic that means that day will NEVER come? BECAUSE the time was wrong and more or less a scare tactic of when the Earth will cease to be able to sustain HUMAN life, that means that ONLY big fat asteroids cause cataclysmic extinctions? Read only the bolded parts... I dont really care what Al Gore, President Trump, Greta Thorwhatverhernameis, big Oil, Sesame Street say about climate change. I see for myself what humans do to the planet. Im educated enough, saavy enough to look for scientific evidence to see what humans do to the planet and I put two and two together. Ill tell you about Al Gore... He once said that he built a 3000 square foot house (or whatever square footage it was...but it was a huge house...bigger than the average American home) with "ecological friendly materials with eco friendly energy usage that compares to homes of 1600 square feet with conventional and the norm... If he truly was a tree huggin' greenie, he would have built a 1600 square foot home, because a TRUE earth lovin' human does NOT need more than that really, especially when he built that home when his kids were almost out of the house...so that his eco friendly 1600 square foot home could have a foot print that eqauls a bloody hut... So yeah... I understand what you are saying... But NO!!! JUST because fraudulent people make false claims on BOTH sides does NOT mean that human activity does NOT influence the climate.... THAT would be YOUR argument's flaw...not mine.

The science is wrong? Should I post those pollution pics again? Doesnt take a scientist to tell us that pollution is...bad. How many news reports state that carbon monoxide killed another poor soul because the car was runnin' and not sufficient ventilation... That stuff goes in to the earth's atmosphere, non? You wanna say that there is no cause and effect... Really? Then there is the science part. The real deal science behind it. https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/global-maps/MOP_CO_M https://www.conserve-energy-future.com/smogpollution.php https://science.howstuffworks.com/nature/climate-weather/storms/trees-affect-weather1.htm No climate change due to human activity, huh? All links by pseudo scientists bought by corrupt politicians, right? Nothing real or logical in those three links I posted and what Im about to summarize, right? Carbon monoxide released by the cars we drive (keeping in mind my the post I made yesterday about human population growing exponentially to 10 billion souls by 2050 and why ICE may not be an answer for our future) Although carbon monoxide does NOT cause the climate to warm up directly...it does inhibit plant growth and trees and stuff... and it kills living things INCLUDING plants and trees and stuff...through the phenomenon called smog slow growth of trees or downright death of them...which smog is a factor of, trees affect our climate. So yeah...human activity is no way influencing the climate in any way... Notice I kept it to ONLY automobiles... We deforest trees. We pollute our oceans. Im sure the plastics we throw into our oceans also have an effect, direct or indirect , affecting living things that affect the climate...and so forth and so forth... Now...Ive shown "proof" of some sort of MY thought process. Pictures to prove that there is human activity and pollution going on... Ive posted links to "educated" sites...I guess...maybe these are paid organizations to fool us...who knows? To show cause and effect... Now...where is the data on your side to contradict this? Words to the effect of "I dont believe you" ...aint gonna cut it... The millions of years argument...aint gonna cut it either...

Therefore... BECAUSE the time was wrong and more or less a scare tactic of when Earth will cease to be able to sustain HUMAN life (because we really arent killing the planet, we are killing ourselves)...then humans are NOT on the road to ruin causing our OWN distinction therefore we shall continue our destructive ways? Unless of course you dont think the way we do things now are NOT destructive... And...BECAUSE the time was wrong and more or less a scare tactic of when Earth will cease to be able to sustain HUMAN life..then we should do NOTHING about it. Because the time was wrong and more or less a scare tactic that means that day will NEVER come? BECAUSE the time was wrong and more or less a scare tactic of when the Earth will cease to be able to sustain HUMAN life, that means that ONLY big fat asteroids cause cataclysmic extinctions?

What's disingenuous about it? That ICE engines pollute and the other side completely ignores it... Using "dont try to change me" arguments while mocking? Which falls into the climate change argument while saying that the earth existed millions of years with climate change without the help of humans...and is simply just how the WORLD TURNS...while TRUE... BUT IGNORING what HUMANS have done to the earth for the last 10 000 years...but especially what WE did to it the last 150 years... (The one above is simply to say that humans SHAPE and CHANGE nature and its surrounding to humans' needs...no other living thing before and during human existence SHAPES AND CHANGES ITS SURROUNDINGS...WE are the ONLY living things to do that. Even trees. The roots just go through anything...even tough man made materials, the roots find a way...but the roots NEVER shape the environment...like humans do) IGNORING ALL THAT SHYTE while HAVING THE AUDICITY to SAY THAT HUMANS DONT HAVE A PHOQUING IMPACT ON THE EARTH???!!! AND if THAT aint enough....WE HAVE STARTED TO POLLUTE SPACE...the upper upper of Earth's atmosphere... C'MON MAN???!!! To think that WE DONT CAUSE SOME CLIMATE CHANGE is to be TRULY ignorant...

yes exactly... The world has been in existence for millions of years... I believe that amoebas drove Mopars up and down Lava Alley burning rubber all the way baby!!! Then when the earth froze...they were snowmobilin' their frozen little hearts out...

BS? Enlighten me, buddy. Show me how wrong I am. I AM BEGGING YOU!!! Ive asked you THREE TIMES NOW TO TEACH ME!!! All Ive got from you are just nay sayer words... No proof of how wrong I am. No proof of where your reality comes from....show me how wrong I am! SHOW ME. SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!

Plant a tree... What is the point? Selfish shytes much like yourself just dont care.... Selfish shytes much like yourself whine why some fast food joints stopped serving plastic straws and went to paper ones to save the planet. Selfish shytes much like yourself just say that are oceans are NOT polluted with plastics even though ignorant idiots much like myself show you proof. Selfish shytes much like yourself whine and say shyte like "dont try to change me". Selfish shytes much like yourself cry #fakenews and bitch about how you you always drank your sodey pop with a plastic straws and how its not America's problem. China pollutes waaaay worse than we do... Plant a tree? What is the point? Selfish shytes much like yourself dont believe in climate change... Selfish shytes much like yourself just blame scientists that are bought by corrupt politicians for carbon credits. Selfish shytes much like yourself just ignore YOUR scientific scientists that are bought by the corporate world. Selfish shytes much like yourself cant see the irony in all that. Selfish shytes much like yourself dont even use your own eyes to see what is what... Id say...stop kidding yourself, buddy... Me? Im alright, thank-you very much. You? Im sorry. Im truly sorry...

If one group (Group A) has an opinion that is more or less factual...say...internal combustion engines cause air pollution and there has to be a better solution type solution...and electric vehicles are THAT solution, and the other group (Group B)opposes that solution by finding all kinds of problems...real AND imagined...well...Group B could call Group A ignorant and stupid, if they choose to, and they be right...in their own minds mind you, that does NOT mean that Group B's opinion is correct. That also does NOT mean that Group A is wrong either... Group A's solution might NOT be the best solution, BUT it IS A solution. Group B's solution might be to do NOTHING. Which aint much of a solution... Ignoring the current problems the way we have ALWAYS done them is NOT a way. Finding problems with a possible solution while IGNORING the status quo, in my opinion, is more of an ignorant and stupid way of living then trying to change... If humans change to one solution, and find out 50 years later that it wasnt a great idea, or 50 years later, there is a better solution, to me, THAT is more smart. Continuing on a road to ruin, JUST BECAUSE...seems kinda dumb. The thing is...what bias do we have while we argue against EVs? 1. DO WE ACTUALLY BELIEVE that internal combustion engines are bad for the environment and going forward with them is suicide? 2. Are we SELFISH and we just PRETEND that internal combustion engines are safe for the environment and therefore we use strawman arguments and petty shyte to denounce change? I think MOST Americans are NOT dumb. They KNOW the dangers... I think MOST Americans and American culture as of late is more of a SELFISH thing and just DONT care. I think that kind of selfish mentality is even MORE dangerous for a society that an ignorant one.

Made up problem? YOU ACCUSE ME OF NOT KNOWING WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT, YET HERE YOU ARE, WITHOUT ANY SCIENTIFIC PROOF...EIITHER, STATING THAT CARS DO NOT POLLUTE. Nah...that is just you having an uninformed opinion. An opinion NOT based on facts or truths. But piss poor judgement. In any case. THIS is why DISCOURSE is good. TEACH me. LETS DISCUSS. But nope. You are the one to be closed minded. Open yourself up to me. Well...YOU are the one that wants to CHANGE me. With the ironic and moronic way of crying and whining WITHOUT discussing but WHINING and CRYING about it of how I wanna change you. Well...CHANGE me. TEACH me. SHOW me how wrong I am. No! NOT by telling me others are continuing to do what they have always done. (I GOT REBUTTALS FOR EVERY NONSENSICAL SHYT YOU ARE YOUR ILK SPEW.) But DISCUSS with me the HOW with TRUTH and NOT with SELFISH reasons.... This is the hypocrisy of YOUR kind and ILK. YOU and YOUR ILK spew that line like a horny John on a hooker's face. But I know why you dont wanna discuss things. You dont have a leg to stay on. Your first sentence... tells me all I need to know. My dad once told me to never argue and discuss things with ignorant people. Its best you argue with a wall... Ever hear THAT cliche Blu? But you are NOT ignorant. Just selfish. PS: I aint tryna change you. The thing is, YOU dont want ANYBODY else to change the way we do things on planet earth. YOU want the status quo...and THAT in effect means YOU want to change the other billions of folk that want to change NOT to change.

So...are we gonna discuss why the internal combustion engine is no longer a solution for the planet's growing population and the need for mobility or are we gonna try to deflect and look for problems in the questions I pose? Because an argument or discussion and finding solutions is NOT about looking to discredit the QUESTION being asked...but interesting ideas come about and possible solutions are made by actual discourse.