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list price 19 900. 115 000 miles. Bored 350 to 355. I wouldnt touch a thing about it. Love those Cragars. And T-tops! ? If anything, if the underneath has hidden problems, Id sell one or two of the other dream cars in my list to proper restore this beauty! https://classics.autotrader.com/classic-cars/1980/chevrolet/camaro/101122563 1990 Corvette ZR1 for 19 995? Shyte, Ill buy it and have it my affordable dream garage. And if its a legit ZR1, this one might be appreciating in value... https://classiccars.com/listings/view/1351882/1990-chevrolet-corvette-for-sale-in-elkhart-indiana-46514 I went on several used car sites for the entire US and I found that a Pontiac G8 GT had a wide range of prices from 9 000 to 23 000. I could find a nice one for close to but under 20 000 easily. A GXP or Chevy SS are all over 25 000. They seem to be closer to and above 30 000. So a Pontiac G8 GT will happily do! 11 900 for a 1972 Cultass 2 door hard top. I think that is a cool buy. It does have a 455 in it. Rebuilt it says! https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/oldsmobile/cutlass/2073015.html I was looking at Fiat 124s for sale. I found out that for 2017, I could get a nice used Abarth for close to and under 20 000. And Id be keeping the Pontiac G8 GT if I were only to have just one. If I had to sell one car so I could restore that 1980 Camaro, Id sell the Fiat.

There is a BIG difference between Cadillac hearses and ambulances and Mercedes E Class taxis... Why E Class sedans are NOT luxury is BECAUSE the E Class car is made into a taxi FROM the factory... In Cadillac's case, Cadillac just supplied the rolling chassis to independant coachbuilders and they completed the fitment of their bodywork and interiors and the final assembly. What all this means is that the E Class, FROM THE FACTORY is built, produced with SPARTAN, UTILITARIAN interiors...and sold to liveries. The Cadillac hearses and ambulances were created by outside independent companies. Interiors and bodywork and assembly... Cadillac just supplied the rolling chassis and the dashboard. Now... Im giving a tongue and cheek response and opinion to all this E Class talk of it not being a luxury car. JUST to prove a point with another point of view that was given a month or two ago. Plus to troll a certain resident poster that has blinders on. This post here is just to set the facts. Cadillac did not build ambulances and hearses. They just supplied the chassis. And why Lincolns and Cadillacs were and are still hearses along with Mercedes Benzes? Because your final ride should be made with class. And what better final ride of your time on earth to be made than with a finest of all automobiles? A Lincoln or Cadillac in North America and in Europe, I would imagine that to be a Mercedes.

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@dfelt The Cybertruck on top. Elon Musk's Family Truckster... The very movie starts with that dialogue... The song at the beginning, the dealership and the ending song from the movie. OK. I decided to use the European Vacation end song. The smoking weed pic is to simulate how hippy-ish-ly stupid he is and the naming of his child: X Æ A-12 Its satire, but if one has to explain the joke...apparently it aint that funny...

Elon Musk X Æ A-12 Elon Musk Ed X Æ A-12:

1890 Henri Morgan colonial home Rue Ste Catherine Ouest Montreal 1913 Morgan Department Store 1923 Today ...since 1972, The Hudson's Bay Company Department Store

And... https://www.automobilemag.com/news/porsche-corvette-racing-withdraw-24-hours-le-mans/

We've stated this ad nauseum. And it really proves nothing. And more name changes are to come. The EVs at Cadillac will have proper names. The Escalade shal;; remain Escalade. The 2 steps forward 3 steps back at Cadillac is real. Fair enough. But, most of what you post is fiction loosely based on facts. Mostly outdated opinions you still hold... Mostly irrelevant and trivial nonsense you hold against GM but dont hold the same standards for Mercedes. You give a pass to Mercedes.

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That above...about Cadillac...is not correct. The Catera is the car that started the RWD sports sedan entry for Cadillac. That was waaaay back in 1997. Johan was at Audi then. The Catera was roughly the size of a 1st gen CTS and 2nd gen CTS. The Catera would be the failed predecessor of the CTS. From the get go, the Catera was going to be the BMW 3 Series (4 door) rival. It was considerably bigger than the E36 Bimmer. Then Cadillac did the Arts and Science thing and decided to go to a more precise way to do a BMW 3 Series rival sedan. Changed the name to CTS. Cadillac at this time also wanted to do away with FWD sedans and changed their FWD Seville Touring Sedan and Seville Luxury Sedan (STS and SLS for short...and minor differences mainly 25 HP and 5 ft/lbs less for the SLS versus the STS amongst other trivial things) to a RWD STS. It was a couple of years now that Seville was retired to STS and SLS but with the RWD version, only STS was the nameplate. The STS was a BMW 5 Series competitor. Both the CTS and STS were slightly bigger than their rivals but slightly smaller than the next step up. What does that mean? The CTS was bigger than the 3 Series but smaller than a STS and BMW 5 Series. The STS was slightly bigger than the 5 Series but smaller than a BMW 7 Series. This lasted for another generation. But sometime during the 2nd gen CTS, the STS was canceled. The 3rd generation CTS arrived. But this CTS REPLACED the STS and an new entrant came to be. The ATS. Meaning, the CTS now is DIRECTLY competing with the BMW 5 Series in size as well. The ATS gets smaller than the 1st and 2nd gen CTS and is now the SAME size as the 3 Series Bimmer. ( The 4 Series Bimmer now also grew to be bigger....) OK...NOW....with ANOTHER name change... CADILLAC HAS GONE BACK to the original formula in that the CT4 is a tweener like the 1st and 2nd gen CTS was to the 3 Series Bimmer and a competitor to the 4 Series Bimmer which is slightly bigger than the 4 Series and the CT5 is slightly bigger than the 5 Series Bimmer but pricewise...Both Cadillacs are directly inline with their respective BMW rivals. Johan...wanted a car SMALLER than the ATS. That was scrapped I believe as there are no talks about it ever since he left Cadillac. And yes...RWD. Shyte! Cadillac has been in this RWD market sports sedan niche since 1997. That be 23 years. yes. Of coarse a smaller car than the ATS would be RWD. Cadillac has gone full out RWD performance for its CARS since the first CTS-V hit the streets in 2004... Their was even a failed XLR...Corvette borrowed chassis in that mix and a very real V12 mid engined concept car created that actually drove like a REAL production car. THAT is how serious Cadillac was for doing RWD performance cars.... And THAT is waaaaaay before Johan came in at Cadillac. All Johan did was continue the perfornce RWD trend. Nothing to do Johan stating he will do RWD in segments where the Japanese and Germans are going FWD. But EVERYTHING to do in continuing what Cadillac had started a decade plus before he came in... And THAT is why I said... WRONG Lets get our facts straight. PS: The ATS L in China was almost like an afterthought when Cadillac decided to start selling cars in China. That was AFTER the ATS development but was easy to do as the ATS rode on the Alpha platform. The bigger CTS rides on that platform too... The BIGGER mistake was NOT offering the ATS-L in North America. They had NOTHING to lose in doing so... BUT...Like you said OCN. Cadillac has an onslaught of EVs coming. But Ill bet a bigger selection of CUV and SUV EVs will be offered first and the sedan EVs will be limited. Maybe a CT6 sized or S Class sized Cadillac EV sedan will come to fruition and maybe a Tesla Model S competitor in a CT5 V EV will be produced, but not before an onslaught of EV CUVs...

This thread has been hijacked anyway talking about Mercedes more than Genesis...on TWO occasions. So to derail it further and perhaps in a more interesting topic... Not really a slow news day. Delta airlines is retiring all of its Boeing 777s. That is a big blow to Boeing as Delta is also going to replace their fleet of 777s with relying on their Airbus A350-900s with their longer routes and for their smaller routes with the Airbus A330. Delta says that both Airbuses are more fuel efficient and cost effective than the 777.

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wrong wrong. Not in the US... That number is worldwide...and thanx in part to taxi and police car liveries... wrong

Wrong From where I stand and Ive seen... ALL Mercedes vehicles below the MODERN S Class are...budget. The G Wagen especially...its a military vehicle. Military vehicles are as budget as budget gets...

wrong wrong wrong. In Germany either. The E Class is sold at Charger prices in Germany... I guess when it comes to your arguments...you like to play both sides of the fence. But you know... a very IMPORTANT CRITERIA of LUXURY is the contrary of what you say... VOLUME is the very OPPOSITE of luxury. So in THAT context, because THAT is what YOU are discussing...LUXURY...that statement above is... WRONG!!! WRONG... Theis COVID thing will put a damper in E Class sales in the US... Dont be surprised that the E Class might be canceled in the US in a year... 1. its a sedan in a SUV world 2. new vehicle sales will be down drastically 3. Mercedes has to pay its huuuuge diesel scandal fines in Germany in the following months... Cost cutting was well on its way before the Covid thing, and now in the very near future, like in the next couple of months, it will be a very painful reality for Mercedes... 4. Mercedes before the Covid thing was cash strapped...Im afraid to ask what is happening now...

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The CT5 target market is non-taxi, non-police force agencies. Unlike the E Class... I guess the target market would be folk that could afford its luxury price tag on a car that is JUST luxury. The E Class is sold in its home market to police forces and taxi cab companies....much like the Dodge Charger is here in North America. And the E Class, much like the Dodge Charger, has got expensive versions to sell to those that want a little bit more speed and style than the taxi cab and police car versions... Also...the E Class has plebeian models too, that sell to Average Joes in the mainstream market. Much like the Charger... The CT5, does NOT have mainstream versions. Like at all... So there is that...

wrong A Mercedes E Class... But not really. A CT5 is truly a luxury vehicle. Unlike the E Class... The thing is...the CT5 is NOT a mundane, mass produced, plebeian, every day Average Joe, utilitarian taxi cab sedan in its home country like the E Class is in its home country... So...what do we compare the E Class to? A Dodge Charger? Yeah...Im comfy with that comparison! You know...the Charger reaches high dollar price tags...JUST like the E Class. You know...the Charger is also a mundane, mass produced, plebeian, every day Average Joe, utilitarian taxi cab/police car sedan in its home country... JUST like the E Class in Germany... Both are RWD. AWD. Both have adequate horsepower V6s. Both have high powered V8s. Yeah....an E Class is a Charger competitor. Awesome!

A Mercedes E Class... But not really. A CT5 is truly a luxury vehicle. Unlike the E Class... The thing is...the CT5 is NOT a mundane, mass produced, plebeian, every day Average Joe, utilitarian taxi cab sedan in its home country like the E Class is in its home country... So...what do we compare the E Class to? A Dodge Charger? Yeah...Im comfy with that comparison! You know...the Charger reaches high dollar price tags...JUST like the E Class. You know...the Charger is also a mundane, mass produced, plebeian, every day Average Joe, utilitarian taxi cab/police car sedan in its home country... JUST like the E Class in Germany... Both are RWD. AWD. Both have adequate horsepower V6s. Both have high powered V8s. Yeah....an E Class is a Charger competitor. Awesome!

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So...is the plural of house, hice? Im Canadian you know... We English differently than you Americans. Then there is the English English. I really dont know what language they speak.

*oxen* I had a slight brain slip up. Stupid English language. - fox >foxes - ox >oxes? HELL NO! Lets phoque the minds of people... Ox >Oxen Ive got a mouses problem in my house. I wonder how many hice have mouses problems in my neighbourhood? Or would that be a RATT problem? (like the Geico commercial)

1.5 to 2.5 hour airplane ride? From Montreal, that would land me where? North? No thanx. I could drive up north. No need to take a plane. East? Just as with going north. Id rather drive to Gaspesie or the Maritime Provinces. South? The US? That take me to NYC about? Yeah.... I LOVE New York. But now may not be the time to visit NYC. Montreal is faring better than NYC, but that aint saying much... No thanks. I am not about to cross the border. Closed or not... West? Past Toronto? There isnt much past Toronto... perhaps a longer plane trip west would be good. Id go to Banff or Northern British Columbia but that is longer than a 2.5 hour plane trip. So we are looking at about Toronto and a little past Toronto. Well...Toronto as with the NYC/Montreal comparison. Toronto is faring better than Montreal, but that aint saying much also. Toronto could easily have a deadlier 2nd wave as much as Montreal could. Past Toronto and Id rather just be locked up in my basement. Id rather just stay put. So yeah. Montreal aint so bad in other words.

Not quite...accurate. On tractors replacing horses, on cars replacing horses and on EVs replacing cars... Tractors, sports cars, race cars, pick-up trucks, panel vans, 18 wheelers, passenger cars, buses, taxis, etc all replaced horses and donkeys and ponies and camels and oxes etc... Romans raced their horses. Chariot horse racing. Greeks before them, but I digress. So...in THIS caes...race cars replaced rce horses. Car equivalent today? yes? no? Oxes and Donkeys and Clydesdales were replaced by tractors and panel vans and the like... Of coarse horses still exist and are part of our life still today. We humans have been using horses for all our needs since the dawn of time... I forgot to mention...tanks and assault vehicles...war machines...these also have replaced the horse...the war horse. And even airplanes... if you were to believe in Greek mythology ( Perseus and Pegasus) but Im digressing again. The electric motor is just the powertrain that will eventually replace the internal combustion engine (maybe) in cars. The automobile itself aint going nowhere...just like the horse.