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Not for the first 5 years though...

The difference though with the VW Phaeton was that the Phaeton was truly a top tier luxury car. It was engineered like one. The price was less expensive than the equivalent Audi A8 or Bentley GT (all 3 shared the same platform) was 1. VW was the "cheaper" brand. The people's car brand...(which marketing wise, the Phaeton failed not because it was a bad car...au contraire, it was a FANTASTIC car, but it was an oxymoron to sell a people's car to the 1%ers, even though the price tag was less expensive than the 1%er equivalent competition...but Pieche had visions of grandeur that just because VW had success with the Passat being on the Audi A4 platform and having success making VW enter a higher priced niche than ever before, he thought that a Phaeton priced less than a comparable Audi, Bimmer and Mercedes, VW could enter that realm...he did have the car, the Phaeton WAS the real deal, VW was and to this day is STILL not ready to sell 1%er vehicles...) ) 2. The VW had steel body shell construction while the Audi and Bentley had aluminium body shell construction.

I agree with the sentiment...but not all that accurate either... A unibody SUV but was small so it be closer to the modern CUV thing was really the Cherokee of the 1980s. But the CUV thing drives more like a car rather than a truck by definition...so the AMC Eagle has a place here before any Cherokee or CR-V or Lexus RX... And... Land Rover may want say something about the luxury side of things....or even the Jeep Grand Wagoneer... But...none of these exist if the Willys Jeep had not been invented before any Land Rover, which the first Land Rover was a reversed engineered copy of the Jeep, much like the Toyota FJ 4x4 right after the war...or Toyota's answer to the bigger Land Rover, the Land Cruiser. The Jeep should be the only one represented here... But that is just my opinion...

1. The 1st generally accepted working internal combustion engine vehicle. 1885 Benz Patent-Motorwagen 2. First production car with modern controls arrangement - Cadillac Type 53 3. The car that put not only America on wheels, but the world. Ford Model T 4. VW Beetle. The longest-running and most manufactured vehicle of a single platform ever made. 5. The world's most beautiful car ever made....generally accepted...which I think is the Jaguar E-Type that year after year, in these kinds of polls is always at the #1 spot or almost always is. 6. The first ever concept car The Buick Y Job 7. The first 4 wheel drive vehicle The Willys Jeep

Of course there are other colours... As sexy as red though... All those pics you posted...of the cars... NONE are as sexy as a red car... Red could even turn that sad blue Malibu into a hot car... Because blue...is better suited to sell paradise on earth... But ironically, blue represents coldness, rather than hotness...as opposed to the colour red.... Therefore, you could turn BLUE in the face to try to convince yourself actually, red will always be the defacto colour to showcase a car a certain way... PS: gold and silver are also fantastic colours to showcase a certain level of richness and sophistication for a car...both of those colours lack the fiery, fierceness, taboo, sexuality, evilness that the colour red symbolizes.... Black too...but black is also souless. It represents death...which is great for a certain type of car...A Dodge Demon...ironically the devil is known to wear red...but hence the RED eye Challenger... Red is red my friend... red Ferraris and red Lamborghinis...little red Corvettes...cue in Prince...

I disagree with you there, buddy. Cars, especially cars at car shows showcasing their specialness. While you may seem tired of red, the colour red signifies fire, and danger, maybe speed and therefore excitement. Red also signifies jewels...expensive rare jewels... You said it yourself, buddy! Red will always be sexy. It may be cliché, but red will always be...RACY...get it?

I agree. That governments have a responsibility to their people first and foremost! But, when lies and deceit and corruption come before the protection of the people...we have misinformed facts and stuff like Brexit happening... Ill talk about North America... NAFTA... NAFTA is not the real cause why middle class, manufacturing jobs went away in North America. It facilitated it, but not the true cause... Find the truth and you will realize why MAGA in 2016 played on the fear of an entire nation... (Also...you, as an American, or a British sympathizer, you got to realize that being a world power today is NOT about full control of ALL the world's resources by control with an iron fist...the wealth has GOT to be spread around...in fact...THAT was the TRUE purpose of NAFTA to begin with...but like I said...find out the real truth about why NAFTA did not pan out...hint: corporate greed and corrupt political lobbying...and you got yourself part of the answer...) (Brexit is EXACTLY how some view NAFTA...many falsehoods...The EU has not damaged the big wealthy countries like Germany, France or England...While its true that it benefitted Germany the most, the EU has destroyed the little countries...Spain, Italy...GREECE...but that xenophobic rhetoric also blames socialism (false) and corruption of (while true...that corruption has aided Britain, Germany and France) and the favorite excuse of them all...the true xenophobe rhetoric...that Greeks are lazy...and all that although certain elements are truthful...most is lies and deceit...and only the corporate big wigs get to benefit along with some political figures that lie in bed together...In other words...EU did not destroy Britain a quarter of how it destroyed Greece...one country that would actually benefit from leaving the EU...would be Greece...had Greece had better, stronger, less corrupt and sellout politicians to EU leaders and corporations...but of course...Germany, France, England, USA, would never admit to that, nor tell its people that either...that multi-national corporations of the US, Germany, France, England, China control the world and its political leaders are aiding and abetting and misleading their populations...) You honestly believe a concrete wall 50 feet high will actually prevent illegals pouring into your country? Hear what the border people are actually saying about that and listen to real facts and not xenophobic rhetoric and maybe the billions that are to be spent on protection of your borders will be spent PROPERLY with the NECESSARY MEASURES to counter illegals entering your country... But...like you always say, this aint a political site. I dont want it to be an issue JUST because I said a couple of political words here and there... Also, to anyone wanting to take offense...I hope you realize my statements are kinda just general statements...and NOT leaning on any side of the political fence. Not demeaning any political leader or party...just words meant for all of us to open up our eyes...

I feel you! CUVs need to be exciting too!!! They cant all be tall and have a high center of gravity with bland and boring and me too same ole same ole styling... With grey Pontiac style cladding to signify off roading or whatever this metoo CUV movement is taking us! I do NOT know what manufactureres need to do to spice these things up externally, but they got to do something... Im bored with all CUVs and SUVs from every single manufacturer. Always was. And I mean every manufacturer. With the exception of an 80 year old General Purpose vehicle known as Jeep...I CANT STAND these! There are a couple that move me...Suzuki SideKicks and Toyota 4 Runners of the 1980s and the occasional Grand Cherokee and Ford Edge...and dare I say BMW X6M...I want this movement to die off...unless a CUV or SUV becomes enthusiast type material with an exterior to match my car craziness...

Xenophobia started it. Then nostalgia about the good ole days fueled the rest. And then Brexit happened. Sounds all too familiar on this side of the pond...a tad less in the Great White North up here, yet still present...I wont even talk about my neighbors to the South of where I live...?

Is that a late model Northstar? Like 2006 and newer? Because I read that GM finally fixed what was the problem with the head gaskets being blown. Several problems with the Northstar were adressed with the RWD STS and STS-V and XLR and XLR-V. Both the 4.6 and the supercharged 4.4 are very reliable and not finicky like previous versions.

Did I hear someone say fuselages? How about this one? I think l also read something about skirts? and skirts not looking so good with fender flares? I must have misread then...sorry!

It was an ecotec. That ecotec is still being used by GM. Maybe not THAT particualr version. .But GM puts a derivative of it in everything nowadays that the Alero and Grand Am used. And it was and still is a very good engine. It has powered some very cool GM rides ever since it was introduced.Th SAAB 9-3. The Kappa twins. The Cobalt SS. The CT6 PHEV...the Fisker Karma as the gasoline powered generator...OK, the Karma is not a GM ride. Still a cool ride. Beautiful ride actually.

@Drew Dowdell @trinacriabob Last new model from Oldsmobile? Bravada came out in 2002. Produced until 2004. The Aurora came out in 2001 until 2003. The Alero in 1999 up until 2004 and the Intrigue in 1997 as a 1998 model until 2002. (The Silhouette in 1997) So Oldsmobile's last new model was in fact the Bravada. And none got a refresh of any kind. Intrigue got a Shortstar V6 after the 1st year run with a Buick 3800. The Aurora dumped the Shortstar V6 in its final year run. I do not know if the Bravada got something axed but I do know that the last 2 years of the Alero's production run, the Alero lost its 4 wheel disc brakes that it had for drums in the back. But...last off the line, the last Oldsmobile ever built was an Alero. April 29, 2004. And if talking about nameplates...well, the Alero is in fact the last new name plate ever introduced by Oldsmobile. The Bravada came out in 1990 as a 1991, the Aurora in 1995, the Intrigue in 1997.The Silhouette in 1989. The Alero in 1999. And all the workers that built it, signed it. 7 I believe its in a museum honoring other Oldsmobiles currently.

I just googled Susanna Hoffs and this GIF appeared. Its amazing...how just this moment in time... has been etched in my memory. And right here as a GIF...as it seems, has etched many male's memories. And to think, how sexy she is in that one moment...without her sexualizing herself to the point of sleeziness, but because she is a very naturally sexy woman. Just giving us guy fantasies with only the movement of her eyes!!! INCREDIBLE!

I googled and learned that the engine is a 3.8 liter Buick V6 reworked by McLaren. No surprise there. One could clearly see its Buick's 3800 and no surprise that McLaren was the builder of the engine when one figures out that the concept was showcased in 1985. What surprised me was that this concept was showcased in 1985...as a Buick mid-engined affair. Before The Corvette Indy ME and the Oldsmobile Aerotech. Sure there was a couple of mid-engined Corvette concepts in the 1970s, Buick got into that game too ahead of Oldsmobile. Impressive. Another thing that surprised me was this Buick was not a fast concept like the Aerotech was. I thought maybe that numbers would rival and beat the Buick GNX numbers. But no. Below the GNX numbers and a tad higher than the Grand National numbers making this concept pretty boring for stats comparisons... It was supposedly high tech inside though... Im glad to have read about it. Again, thanx Balthy for always giving me something new to see!

I like this Buick Wildcat. I never knew this concept existed. Thank-you Balthy, this is a nice Birthday present you gave me. Now I will google and learn!

And to see if muhricans that are not Tesla fanatics to adopt EVs... Tesla fans will and did pony up for the top trimmed Model 3. Waited and waited and waited for it to arrive. All kinds of quality problems and Tesla fans bought the Model 3... Now that the 35 000 dollar one has finally arrived, of course there will be more Tesla fanatics buying it... But now, we will see for realz how many EV buying muhricans there really are. EV haterz had all kinds of excuses using the Bolt sales as evidence that there are no EV buyes in 'muhrica. EV defenders say that the Bolt is just not a real competitor to the Model 3 and is just a compromised vehicle...and that the Bolt is just not the right tyoe and sized EV... Well, the 35 000 dollar Model 3 is upon us. The Model Y soon will be open to reservations... NOW is the time to see if the future really is with EVs...