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How about a supercharged version? The reason why I ask is because Ford just released a supercharged version as you know. You mentioned it. The Mustang has 3 flavours of V8s in the Mustang. 1. Over 700 horsepower on a supercharged 5.2 liter V8 . Possible torque? Maybe Im hoping over 600 ft.lbs because this flavoured Mustang is not only a Chevy Camaro ZL1 competitor for track and hp numbers alike, but Hellcat muscle car competitor as well...and torque is needed for that. 2. A 520 horsepower 5.2 liter "flat plane crank" V8 for track. Naturally aspirated. The torque might be a little lower on this, but its a high revver. This flavoured Mustang really has no equal because this particualr Mustang is more European flavoured than the other two pony cars. 3. 480 horsepower and 420 ft.lbs on a 5.0 liter naturally aspired. These are 3 DISTINCT and UNIQUE V8 versions of the Mustang. Unlike the same ole shyte V8s from GM and Dodge offerings but just add a supercharger on the V8 and let the horsepower and torque fly difference on their versions. Mopar and GM go about it differently in distinguishing the "personalities" of their different versions of the Challenger and Camaro respectively, but the engines in these trims are basically the same "personality, but with a steroid approach to distinguish them. Ford's approach to the engine versions are truly different from one another. How would a turbo benefit Ford's V8 hierarchy the way it is now? To add it to the Voodoo? Well, the "flat plane crank" at 5.2 liters the way Ford has done it might have reach its potential and that is why they chose the more conventional American way of doing a V8 with the supercharged 5.2 on the GT500. To ecoboost the 5.0? That would probably increase the horsepower rating beating out the Voodoo. But what benefits that approach? The GT350 is special for many reasons. And 520 NATURALLY ASPIRATED horses is but one (of many) of those reasons. (European flavoured is another) I agree, an ecoboosted V8 SHOULD have been made by Ford...but for the Ford GT... Ford wanted to toot toot toot the ecoboost banner, maybe an ecoboosted V8 would have been ideal. Maybe not. Maybe Ford should have put an ecoboosted 2.7 liter V6 or take the tranverse 3.5 ecoboosted Taurus SHO, make, it longitude and sell the ecoboost V6 moniker BOTH on GT AND the Mustang...and make that engine into a 450 V6 horsepower affair. In other words, a DETUNED Ford GT motor for the Mustang... And had they did that, increase the 5.0 to 480 HP as it is now for 2019 back then 2-3 years ago... But I dont see how an ecoboosted V8 would benefit Ford for the Mustang as of now. If Ford decides to stop producing the GT350, then and only then would I see a need for a turbo V8.

Does a supercharged version count?

Great Lakes for me is...Niagara Falls. Seeing that I never traveled further west of Niagara Falls, I blindly ONLY see the Great Lakes as Niagara Falls. Also... the Saint Lawrence River. Yes...I equate the Great Lakes to the Saint Lawrence River. How can this be? The Saint Lawrence River connects the Atlantic Ocean with the Great Lakes...and I happen to live on the banks of the Saint Lawrence. Every time I look west when Im looking at the Saint Lawrence, which is almost on a daily basis, and for a good chunk of my life really, well, I ALWAYS think about where all that water comes from, which is...Niagara Falls...the Great Lakes...

EDITED.... Because I regret what I posted. Which wasnt bad, but was not on topic. ON TOPIC! So...tariifs on Mexican built cars, huh? Well. Phoque GM for building cars in Mexico then! You know...Phoque Trump for making his cheap brand named crap in China as well!!!

If Lyft and Uber make it that far... They are bleeding billions. And the hick to that? That NOBODY wants to mention... Uber and Lyft DONT pay for MAINTENANCE on cars... If Uber and Lyft think that they will be saving money on NOT paying humans to drive...did they or the dumb phoquing investors of Uber and Lyft EVER think how much money it costs to keep cars on the road? Even electric motored cars need servicing.. ESPECIALLY superduper artificial intelligent, superduper computer power, sensors galore AD cars... You know...to uphold extreme safety... You know...the weather, especially inclement weather seems to wreak havoc on these kinds of systems, forget about good ole wear and tear... So...who will be servicing these autonomous pods? The users? Users will be forking over thousands of dollars per year for Uber's and Lyft's profits PLUS for the cost of repairs and maintenance for autonomous pods they wont own? Usership that lasts only a few miles at a time? So...Uber and Lyft are bleeding billions right now when their business model is just paying drivers a pittance and for up-keeping the app on the smart phone... Yes yes...I understand, the fee for an Uber and Lyft user is artificially low...and that will change when Uber and Lyft deem time to raise praises when they feel like the have a control in the market place... HA! Like I said, Uber and Lyft DO NOT pay for maintenance on their "fleet"...its the dumd stupid owners that use their cars that do the expensive servicing.... Wait until Uber and Lyft actually have to fork over REAL maintenance money for their fleets...

You saw Autoline afterhours with Sandy Munroe yesterday, huh? So did I! Rolls will keep the V12 as long as they dont have an electric motor to put in there. Same with BMW. Same with Mercedes Benz. But like you said, China is making life tough for ICE cars and their potential buyers. I enjoyed Sandy yesterday. I enjoyed the way he hinted about America's future if present minds dont change and yet, his hinting about that rang loud and clear. But I aint sure Marcus, Gary and John really took in his words regarding China, Tesla and the future of EVs in the world...

Good news No need to fly. Bad news... huuuuuge phoquing eyesores that ruin the view...with the same swathes of dumb ass tourists... Conclusion: Trump is right. You visit Cuba, you are a terrorist! So...dont go!

I hear you. I understand. I did just that when I took my family to Greece this past summer. Yeah, we did the touristic, historic spots. For my kids to see and learn what is their culture and what place does it have in this crazy big world we live in. But we also did a lot of walking and talking and soul searching and we often took the road of the beaten path, away from the tourists, where the local yokels once did (old donkey trails that even young modern Greeks dont take) to see how Greek villages really function (or used to). We also talked to many local yokels to get their perspective of today's Greece and how they cope in the 2010s. I got to see Greece when I was young, how my mom grew up as a kid. I got to see Greece, how Greece was in the 1970s. I got to see how Greek villages functioned for hundreds, maybe thousands of years. Because when I went to Greece to see where my momma grew up, to meet my grand parents, the island where my mom grew up, her village and the other villages around, and the surrounding islands, well, even in the 1970s, not much had changed since the ancient times. Modern cars and telephones were there. Not all the people had those though. It was a cool experience and although I did not realize it then 100% what I was witnessing, although I did have an idea, 'twas in my late 20s that it dawned on me that old European villages in the 1970s was somewhat going back into time. And I am proud that my kids, to a degree, got to see a tiny glimpse of that. Maybe not live it like I did, but they saw the remnants of the past. Those donkey trails are not used anymore by anybody so somebody that knows what to look for could see the 1970s, the 1960s, and yes nature has taken over so anything older than that is harder to find, but I saw in the 1970s, the 1950s, 1940s, 1920s, 1890s in those villages...so I know its there and I explained that to my kids.

As far as Im concerned...about V12s, V10s, V8s, V6s, I6s, flat 6s, 4 cylinders and inline 5s versus electric motors. If not a Ferrari 12 cylinder, I dont really care for them all that much. Ferrari or bust. V10s. Dont care for them all that much either. Unless its a Mopar V10. OK...I got room for the Porsche Carrera GT and the Lexus LFA. The BMW V10? ? Nah...I think I prefer an electric motored Tesla Model S instead... V8s...well, V8s for me is where its at. From muscle cars, to sports cars, to luxury rides, to classic American boulevard land yacht cruisers, to exotic supercars, the V8s is what I prefer. I do like a good 6 cylinder engine, whether inline or in a Vee or even horizontally opposed, I enjoy a 6 cylinder car. 4 cylinder cars...If I could, Id pass on those. I do enjoy a good 4 cylinder Honda from the 1990s, but that is where I limit myself as an enthusiast. I know there are other great 4 cylinder cars, but 4 cylinder caars aint my bag, baby! And then we have electric motored cars. I think I could enjoy the instant torque and smoothness in my daily driven vehicle. Would it replace the V8 in my heart? Probably not. As I enjoy the V8 sounds too much. The Instantaneous and humongous torque WILL replace the V8 in my heart, but not the sweet sounds that a V8 makes. Will I care for an electric motor personality? Lets be honest... Modern cars, other than the real deal enthusiast cars out there, the V8 Mustang, The V8 Camaro, The V8 Challenger and V8 Charger, The Vette, all the sportcar Porsches, the Miatas, the and all the other high dollar sports cars, there really isnt much personality going on. The small pocket rocket GTis and Civic Sis got some handling spunk going on, but as far as engine personality is concerned, not much distinguishing one from another. Yeah, there are differences, but...(explained later on) The full sized pick-up trucks got V8s. The Bimmers and M-Bs got V8s. The Cadillac Blackwing CT6 is a V8... Explanation: But lets be really really really honest...the way modern consumers want quiet cabins, no vibrations of any kind because modern consumers deem vibrations as low quality and as nuisasances, and the way that most engines all fall into the same displacement categories (example: every manufacturer makes a turbo 2.0 liter 4 cylinder) there really isnt much personality to be had here... The V8 vehicles I mentioned above, even for the V8 pick-up trucks, their personalities are all muted. Faint V8 rumble could only be heard upon acceleration, and that too is toned down. All the noise insulation, noise canceling technologies, vibration free counterbalances and the like...not much individuality is happening... Therefore, I (we as consumers) have been programmed NOT to think about vehicle personality the last 20 years or so. Especially when CUVs and SUVs are being presented to us as viable machines for me to own and we (not me) gobble them up like there is no other freakin' niche...(coupes are dead, convertibles are dead, sedans are dying...at least in decades past, the society then bought all kinds of types too. Today, single, married, young, old, female, male, trans, gay, straight, fat, skinny, short, tall, hairy, bald, smart, dumb, sane, crazy, white, black, latino, asian, north south, east, west, liberal, conservative, democrat, republican, commie, capitalist, we (not me) all buy damned SUVs...) I applaud BMW for keeping the V12 until 2023 or so. Im curious to see what BMW will do to counter the Model S and the Porsche Taycan. Im MORE curious to see what BMW has in store for an EV Rolls Royce. Because I dont think Ill care for an EV BMW sport sedan. They never had me as a fan, but they lost me even more when they decided that SAVs are a thing and they went all fat and bloated for their cars that they now pass off as sports sedans... (minus that BMW 1M and its successor M2 and the E39 M5 and Z8) Im even MORE curious to see how Volkswagen Group goes about EVs and how they handle the "personality" part. They got Bentley. That is in a GT class. 2 and 4 door. Different than a sports sedan but not quite luxo boat cruiser. They got luxo isolation chamber SUV. They got Porsche. Porsche has sports car, roadster, GT, sports sedan and sport crossovers. They are all different from Bentley. They got Audi. A mix and match between Porsche and Bentley. They got VW. What "personality" is VW going to go after with their EVs? I think I will always prefer Tesla over all other EV sport sedans. I think Ill stick to GM and what it will bring to the table with their EVs with Chevy, Buick and Cadillac. Maybe Ford too. But with that being said, I got to see what everybody actually does with EVs, because as of now...Tesla is best! Nobody else comes close.

V12s do that too. Silence and smoothness and torque. Or you can make a V12 roar as loud as you want. I am not arguing that EVs do a much better job at silence and smoothness and torque. Im just saying that in 2019, V12s still have a place. And until Rolls, Bentley, Cadillac, Mercedes get really really serious about induction electric motors, V12s are the top of the heap... Rolls Royce (BMW), Bentley (Audi, Porsche), Mercedes STILL in 2019 do NOT have an electric motored vehicle for sale... And when I say BMW, I do NOT mean an i3 and the really really useless mileaged (range) i8. Nor do I mean an equally useless electric mileaged (range) Porsche 918. In 2019, the ONLY adequate EV to do the job of what a V12 should be doing as what we are talking now about quiet drive, torque and silence and smoothness is a Tesla Model S. But the Model S is sold as a sports sedan to kick exotic supercar and muscle car ass rather than luxo boat isolation chamber. The Model S also is more or less second tier luxury on the inside rather than top tier. The Porsche Taycan is gonna be a sports sedan...and...not on sale yet. So...luxo boat isolation chambers have no choice BUT to be V12s... In 2023...like I said, we have about another 4 years to get there. As of now, V12s are the top of the heap for what we are talking about in this thread.

Good news. There are many other islands to discover in and around the Caribbean that may or may not be over saturated with dumb ass tourists.

V12s are still usefull. Whether 600 horsepower V8s exist or electric motors will be dominant in the luxury class of vehicles. V12s are still the top of the heap in 2019. We still have a-ways to go to reach 2023 when maybe electric motors will dominate the luxury world. Plus, V12s are not meant for pure speed and fastness. But for smoothness AND speed in a GT car. In a cruiser. But not a bruiser ride. But a smooth, boulevard, cruiser ride and V12s are just about the best there is IN 2019. I aint talking about hybrid technology either. Just pure internal combustion technology. And while it does take 2 turbos for BMW's V12 to get to 600 on 6.6 liters, Im sure BMW could get more than that outta them. But Im not sure BMW wants to dump R&D money on the V12 to achieve that. Ferrari did though. On a 6.5 liter V12 making close to 800 NATURALLY ASPIRATED horsepower. The most NATURALLY ASPIRATED horses EVER to be offered on a road going production vehicle on their GT car. Because the 812 Superfast is a GT car. (but a lackluster torque number as compared to that stupendous horsepower number) Their new big SUV, whatever its called, could possibly use this V12 they got. Why not? They wont sell many, true. But their V12 is still needed. For 2019. It be not a good decision to dump the V12 now. In 2023? well, we arent there yet. Possibly a good decision then.

And while Celine was born in Quebec, in New France if you will, and not in France, making her, yes, Canadian, she does have roots that go back to France. So, while Celine is not European, she is French. Peugeot is French. A connection was made And the Charles De Gaulle snippet was to prove that relations between France and her former colony that was forgotten to left to die and capitulate to her English enemies, well, it was to show that France finally has acknowledged that a colony did exist at one time in North America and that France has got Quebec's back to fight for her French rights. Well, it was more to stick it to English Canada more than anything else. Not that Quebec wanted France to help out and not that France was going to help out anyway. It was just a very vocal way to say to the English world? for whatever reason.

...................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Chevrolet Life and career[edit] Early life[edit] The second child of French-Swiss parents Joseph-Félicien and Marie-Anne Angéline (née Mahon), Louis-Joseph Chevrolet was born in La Chaux-de-Fonds, Canton of Neuchâtel, a center of watchmaking in northwestern Switzerland. In 1886, Chevrolet's family left Switzerland to live in Beaune, in the Côte-d'Or département of France. There, as a young man, Louis developed his mechanical skills and interest in bicycle racing. Chevrolet worked for the Roblin mechanics shop from 1895 to 1899. He then went to Paris, where he worked for a short time before emigrating to Montreal, Quebec, Canada in 1900 to work as a mechanic. The following year, he moved to New York City, where he worked briefly for a fellow Swiss immigrant's engineering company, then moved to the Brooklyn operations of the French car manufacturer de Dion-Bouton. ...................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_de_la_Mothe_Cadillac Early life [Cadillac was born Antoine Laumet on March 5, 1658, in the small town of Saint-Nicolas-de-la-Grave in the French Province of Gascony (today in the Tarn-et-Garonne département of the Occitanie administrative region).[6] His father, Jean Laumet, was born in the village of Caumont-sur-Garonne (Occitania). He went back and forth between France, New France and New England and founded Detroit...and later his name would be on luxury cars... ...................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... What does all this have to do with Peugeot and Celine Dion being French Canadian and not European? Well...there is a message in all these links...find it...

Celine Dion?

I think BMW used the term leatherette. (Leatherette...cowhide from a female cow. Leather...cowhide from a male bull...) Now its SensaTec. Hogwash marketing terms. M-B Tex, SensaTec Mercedes Benz Textile and Sensible? Technology? ITS PHOQUING VINYL... More of that fakeness that BMW and Mercedes Benz want to peddle... Durability of a car seat? When a car gets driven daily,. Nicks and dents and paint chips and rust and wear and tear and high mileage and possibly accidented...but hey! The seats look good. They're M-B Tex!!!! GTFO!!!

I get the Walmart mentality that many Americans have adapted. Even with cars. Especially with cars. This explains Nissan and even Hyundai. But like Balthy said, there are many instances that quality has trumped price. Which also explains cars...but to use Toyota and Honda is mis-leading. Honda and Toyota RECENTLY have had issues with their vehicles. As bad, if not WORSE than what the ORIGINAL Big 3 had... Common man! You just said it yourself. The Big 3's debacles have been 40 years ago...OK, the 1990s for some cars were also crappy....But...its not as if Toyota and Honda and ESPECIALLY Mercedes and BMW did not have issues in the 1990s...Why NOT the backlash for Toyota and Honda? Listen, I own a Honda product. But I certainly did not buy it because I blindly believed it was a better product than a Chevy or Buick. its just that Chevy, Buick or Cadillac did not have a model that I met my needs. THAT excuse just gets old... Hey! I use it too when I get frustrated with Cadillac, but on that market, regarding luxury vehicles, its a lot harder to reclaim your fame. Chevy and Ford, there is NO reason for Americans NOT to buy them. 1. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? 2. Should Americans do the same thing? I dont see that as a bad thing and yes, maybe Americans should start buying American again...I dont see why not? Choice is always good. Americans SHOULD buy what they want and/or need! Those are the freedoms we get to enjoy. But those freedoms sometimes also come at a price... American cars are priced very competitively with the best of the best in the industry. And there is NOTHING wrong with that. Union worker versus non-union worker? Who builds the better quality stuff? I dont know...but that discussion is too complicated to debate actually. There is no wrong opinion or right opinion on that because all points for and against are all valid. And each valid point also has an equal amount of limitations... As they should. But...the best deal does not always mean the best deal. There are hidden consequences to that kind of thinking. Think about what that means. You get what you pay for. And sticker price may not be the only thing that "you get" with "getting the best deal" American made usually means the best of the best. But that means an American skilled worker gets paid top dollar for that work. You buy cheap stuff, possibly foreign made, then that means NO American skilled worker gets paid... OK...you (generally speaking, not directed to "you") want American workers, skilled or not, to be paid next to nothing so that you (generally speaking, not directed to "you") could over consume? Is THAT how you (generally speaking, not directed to "you") view your fellow neighbour and how you (generally speaking, not directed to "you") view your country going forward? Therefore, an American worker should NOT be entitled to get paid an honest day's pay for an honest day's work? A fellow American should NOT be entitled to work in general? Manual labour? Should THAT only be for 3rd world countries? I mean...there are 400 million Americans (about), we should ALL be in the tech world? We should ALL be doctors and lawyers? That is it? No manual labour? Hell, we view hamburger flippers as degenerate losers that did not get an education and we dont want these hamburger flippers earn more than minimum wage so they should just get an education and earn the big bucks...doing what exactly? If not, they should shut the phoque up and flip burgers for a living, but not earn a paycheck that could get them a good living... Back to manual labour... No factories in the US because apparently, those jobs are for 3rd world countries that those workers should get paid slave wages...and America does not want to pay their factory workers neither good wages to actually get a leg up on life so they could buy a 50 000 Chevy Blazer, but as Amercians, we also recognize that being paid 5 cents/day to build (exaggeration, yes) said Blazer is not constitutional, so...who do we want to build our Chevy Blazers then? This problem...runs deep. Its not as clear cut and dry.... Its NOT only about the Big 3 building crap in the 1970s and 1980s. Its not only about "Buy American" Its not only about value for our dollar But, as a society going forward, Americans have to decide for themselves what it is that they want... Im on the fence... No...GM workers are NOT entitled to a job. Therefore, if GM closes a factory in the US for the greater good of the company, well, so be it. Yet on the other hand, GM is American. Therefore, for good of the nation, the American nation, then yes...a GM AMERICAN factory worker IS entitled to a GM factory job...

Because Toyota BULLSHYTS the American public by LYING to them being American. Mercedes WANTS to be KNOWN to Americans that they are INDEED German...they BULLSHYTE AND LIE in OTHER ways to get Americans to buy their raggedy vehicles. Not that Americans SHOULD ONLY buy American, they SHOULD buy the vehicle they desire, need, meets their demands and if that means to buy foreign, then so be it. BUT...Americans should REFRAIN from labeling FOREIGN car makes as American... Americans SHOULD start to buy American cars again because in reality, American cars are better are NO WORSE than their foreign counterparts... (I crossed out "are better" so as to NOT offend the ones that buy foreign that think foreign is better than American...) And because American cars are NO WORSE than foreign makes, then there is NO NEED to keep pumping up the wallets of other nations... @Drew Dowdell said something about certain brands are regional in the FCA/Renault-Nissan merger thread. @oldshurst442, ME, always says that same thing... The French buy French cars... The Germans buy German cars... The Japanese buy Japanese cars... The Swedes buy Swedish cars...(they collect great classic American cruisers and muscle cars by the ton load though...) We Americans, well some, acknowledge...that some French cars are shyte, some German cars are shyte, some Japanese cars are shyte, some Swedish cars are shyte, some American cars are shyte... If us, in North America, KNOW that some French cars are shyte, some German cars are shyte, some Japanese cars are shyte, some Swedish cars are shyte, some American cars are shyte, then undoubtedly those same shyte cars are shyte in their homelands too... The difference between the French, Germans, Swedes, Japanese and Americans? Is that The French buy French cars... The Germans buy German cars... The Japanese buy Japanese cars... The Swedes buy Swedish cars... And that their respective foreign makes in THEIR home land do NOT have a significant market share... Some Americans have abandoned American cars... and in North America, foreign makes HAVE a significant market share... Without going too much into this... Maybe Americans should STOP crying about how GM, Ford and Chrysler have left most of their home land manufacturing for other places... Some blame should be made, as a Blazer could EASILY be made in the USA...but...the damage has been done... OK...A Chevrolet Citation II and a Ford Pinto and a Chrysler K Car were a very good reason why some Americans left for foreign makes...but that was a looooong time ago... The Camry, the Jetta, most M-Bs and BMWs , Audis, HYUNDAIS all had EQUAL amounts of problems like those Citations, Pintos, K Cars, and MORE RECENTLY TOO...so I just do NOT get it???!!! Id like to know WHO are those morons that backlashed GM for its Blazer being promoted at the stadium....Id like to know what kind of car(s) they got in their drive-way...because if they are driving foreign....pre-owned or new....it dont matter to me...they got NO RIGHT to bitch...

I got question. When someone presses on the accelerator, regardless of restrictive airflow, or free flowing airflow from dirty air filter/clean air filter, longer throttle body cables, shorter throttle body cables/drive-by-wire electronic throttle body calculating how much peddle is depressed...10%,15%, etc...what happens exactly? Fuel is sent to the pistons along with oxygen, right? (the proper mixture is done with carburetors or the different types of fuel injection like sequential, port, direct....) (computers calculate elevation and density of air flow, type of fuel etc on fuel injection and on a carburetor, this is done manually through trial and error for lack of a better term, right?) OK...if Im on the right track, let me continue with more question. On a carburetor vehicle, when one wants to start it, we have to press down on the accelerator to get some fuel into the combustion chamber so when we crank, fuel is present already to ignite to start the pistons going up and down. right? OK...when we press on the accelerator too much, we flood the engine with too much fuel. On older fuel injected cars, we instantly flooded the engine by pressing the accelerator, right? OK...by doing that, we immediately waste fuel, right? Therefore we reduce fuel economy, right? But...on modern fuel injected cars, there is a computer that calculates the perfect(?) amount of fuel and air mixture at all times(?), therefore, if there is a restricted airflow somewhere, the computer will only allow that certain amount of fuel necessary, right? THIS is essentially what @dwightlooi is saying, or indicating or referring to, or hinting at, because that is what Im understanding because I kinda got too caught up with the technical jargon, so I reverted back to what I understand about basic engine knowledge and Im assuming that is what this is all about...obviously with more precise engineering technicalities...

Should read: "on the position it has taken vis-a-vis RWD and FWD"

I just remembered. The soon to be dead Focus and its RS version,well, THAT 4 cylinder version makes 350 horses and 350 ft lbs... We could wax poetic all we want about this AMG baby Benz, and as enthusiasts, we should applaud this effort because in a world of CUVs, smart phones and a future where folks envision of not even driving, I still find it hard for me to accept this car seriously. Its the fakeness of it all, I guess. The fakeness of AMG on THIS particular effort. Not on a performance level. But on what makes an AMG special. On the fake leather stuff. On the FWD based vehicle. JUST because of how Mercedes has branded itself on the position it has taken vis-a-vis RWD and AWD. The hypocrisy of the automotive journalist world of shytting on Cadillac for their FWD STS all those years prior... The hypocrisy of the "car enthusiast" that shat on Cadillac for FWD STS but praised anything shytty that M-B slung our way...INCLUDING THIS... yeah SMK...even you... Funny, no dissing this flavoured Merc... Its only got 300 horses and and NOT EVEN 300 ft-lbs...and apparently it needs AWD to put all that god fearing power down...GTFO!!! (I guess I am not accepting it even on a performance level...because I see its performance fakeness on that level too...) Yeah...Im cynical with this car...

There is still a market for sedans whether that market is shrinking or not. The 2020 Sonata is a looker and the interior looks like it actually could be a luxury sedan...so Id say that Hyundai and its 2020 Sonata has a very good chance of being a top seller in that shrinking sedan segment. Why concede that to the other players? Especially when it looks like the Sonata WILL be a winner.

Oxymoron And peeps dont care about that concerning crossovers. They barely care for that on sports cars... The new Big Daddy Caddy is set to arrive soon. Plus the GMC and Chevy versions... Sure, the GLE will sell well...but GM will clean out in this price range. Just the Chevy version will handily outsell M-B... And Im willing to bet that it does. Even with 1 engine offering. And even if it doesnt...GM as a company in that price range will easily outsell Mercedes Benz... Remember...Chevrolet taps into that price range in their SUVs. Luxury brand or not...price range is what counts here. Mercedes Benz lowered its aspirations in North America for volume sake. Kudos for Chevy for being able to sell Chevys in that price range. .Your argument, whatever it may be...is null and void. The point being, an AMG Mercedes Benz should not even offer plastic seats. I will even say that AMG should not even exist in this price range. A 300 horse turbo 4 aint that special... Ford has got one...the new Mustang is 310horses and 350 ft lbs. Its just a Ford on a BASE model at that... AMG is supposed to be special, non? That aint special...

oopsies...that goshdarnit alphanumeric name... I thought you was talking about the new SUV from M-B that just came out now...I googled and I mistook it for the GLE My bad... The GLE is generic. Yeah yeah...so is the XT6. But...you know...we could throw GM under the bus for making a generic Caddy SUV, but M-B also made theirs look somewhat like last gen Equinox in the 3/4 pillar... Kinda...sorta... Anyway...very generic to say the least. I dont think the GLE will be winning any stylistic awards...so yeah...Ill stick to what I originally said... I bet Caddy kicks Mercedes' ass in CUV and SUV sales... Besides, I think the new Caddy face is refreshing. And looks awesome for their CUVs and SUVs. Something that WILL translate into huge sales for Cadillac.

Looks weird. I bet Cadillac outsells Mercedes Benz in all the respective CUV and SUV niches...