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In all fairness, the Passat, and especially the 2nd generation Passat, along with the Corrado did push Volkswagen into a different brand position. Those pushed VW a tad more upscale to where they once were. The Corrado was expensive for what it was. It was faster than anything VW had put out and was quite desirable. The 1st generation Passat introduced North Americans to what VW aspires to be. Both the Corrado and 1st generation Passat showed North Americans that VW need not be hippie inspired, peace loving transportation pods. They both introduced North Americans to an image that VW need not be your daughter's graduation convertible present either. Both the Corrado and 1st generation Passat helped VW get out of that teenager image they had with Herbie the Love Bug, Bumblebee the Transformer, VW Rabbit Cabriolet/Rabbit GTi/Golf Gti/Diesel and matured the brand to where adults other than pot smoking, peace loving, muscle car hatin' hippies could buy a mature automobile. The Corrado was a much more refined, more upscale slightly faster and more importanly, a more mature Scirocco. The 2nd generation Passat just cemented that idea where VW is not only mature, more upscale, but dare VW say premium? Premium and more upscale, European (German luxury) at lesser prices than an Audi, Mercedes and BMW... Because, the 2nd generation Passat really was THAT good of a car. It was Oldsmobile/Buick (for 1990s Olds and Buick images). It was Acura. It was Audi. (It literally WAS Audi as it was a stretched Audi A4...and THAT is when Audi took off as well...) It was a good looking sedan with great luxury features for a car priced the way it was. Which was high for VW but people accepted it and bought into it. So much so, that the VW CC was a very successful, sporty AND luxurious Passat a few generations after the mid 1990s... Where the Phaeton failed, the CC succeeded, only for VW to let it wither on the vine too long... The Phaeton just went too far upscale too fast. But in all honesty, VW at that point in time, really was on an upward swing.

Logically, the C8 will have a slightly higher base price than the C7 because every new generation Corvette always bumped up the base price. Another slight bump up would be because this C8 will be a departure from the norm. But on the flip side, GM/Chevrolet has been doing this since 1953. The Corvette has a built-in customer base since 1953 that expect a car in that familiar base price range. GM/Chevrolet will not deviate from that drastically. GM/Chevrolet big wigs have publicly said so that the C8 will NOT increase in price drastically as to not alienate their base price, meat and potatoes, customer base. The higher end ZR1 equivalent C8 will probably be at the highest level pricing of any Corvette to date. THIS is the Corvette probably to push not only performance levels to new heights, but price levels too. And THAT is OK...because EVERY Corvette since Corvettes started PUSHING the performance levels higher and higher ALSO had their price tags go higher and higher too... So I dont really get the phobia of the C8 being expensive. Base Corvettes were more or less "affordable". Higher end Pontiac and Oldsmobile levels of affordability. But the high end Corvettes were always out of reach for the MAJORITY of the American people at prices that were in the high end luxury vehicle prices such as Cadillacs and Lincolns back when Cadillacs and Lincolns WERE the ONLY luxury vehicles consdidered by the filthy rich... Rolls Royces were simply niche....MOST 1%ers of the time didnt even bother with Rolls Royces. Only the oldest of the old money, the stuffiest of the stuffiest bought Rolls Royces. And even then, these people had their Rolls Royces, but they also had their Cadillac or Lincolns too. Because, even though Rolls Royces WERE Rolls Royces, NOTHING said that you had money and made it in life more than a Cadillac. More to it than that, nothing put an exclamation mark more than arriving at a destination than arriving in a Cadillac. With that being said...after 66-67 years of Corvettes...the pricing formula has NEVER changed, and for the C8, GM and Chevrolet big wigs have confirmed that NOTHING will change in that regard either... This every man's sports car that is a Corvette is NOT only defined by its more or less affordable base price...but MAINLY because the Corvette sells BY THE THOUSANDS... THIS IS THE MAIN REASON WHY the Corvette is considered as the every day man's sports car. The pre-owned used Corvette that is 5-6-7-8-9-10 years old... Those Corvettes are DIRT CHEAP to buy as there are LITERATELY THOUSANDS of them to choose from. In alll kinds of conditions in all kinds of colours and options... And BECAUSE the AFTERMARKET PERFORMANCE support and community is SOOOOO HUGE for the Corvette, a Corvette that is LITERATELY 20 years old, it could EASILY KEEP UP with performance with EXOTICS that cost 3-4-5 times MORE and that are BRAND NEW!!!

Volvo's brand identity in the US is safety? Coming at a time when folk like Ralph Nader are making headlines? Would that be an accurate statement? I would think so. Volvo was a pioneer in safety. Volvo made a huge name for itself because of safety. Yes, their cars were dull also at a time when Detroit was selling style at a time when folk like Nader was voicing a loud...voice. At a time when the automobile was just starting to be seen as an evil entity...at a time when world politics was at fever pitch. This is when VW also started to become popular with a subset of Americans opposing world stage politics... Is THAT a fair assessment? Anyway... I would never buy a Volvo...but there are a couple of models in their history that I think are cool that do an excellent job of being...Swedish.

Corvettes were sold before there even was Lambos for sale...two decades before, almost... Corvettes, the high end Corvettes, were always priced as high as Cadillacs... Cadillacs, were always the highest priced vehicles on the road...of the mass produced variety...and not hand made...like Rolls Royces...and not limited produced...like I said...mass produced...up until the early 1970s... Yeah...I know...you said exotics. But that is what Rolls and Ferraris and Lambos are... A Corvette was never an exotic....its DOMESTIC... It dont matter, this was at a time when Ferraris sold 50 cars a year...or so... Corvettes were always about being mass produced. Corvettes sold by the thousands... Corvettes were never about exclusivity. THAT is what makes an exotic car, an exotic car. And it being a foreign car...you know...not American Domestic Market... But...Corvettes were just about as expensive as expensive could be for a DOMESTIC product... Corvettes were American exotics as like if a European or Middle Eastern buyer wanted to buy a Corvette, he would most definitely pay like he was buying a Ferrari to have his Corvette in his European or Middle Eastern country back in the day... Like I said...learn your automotive history and stop trying to weasel your nonsense with me...

I suggest you learn your automotive history...

Again...who says that Cadillac cannot be both? Mercedes is doing that exactly... Problem for Cadillac is that when they should have had an Evoq in their line-up, they fudged it up big time with the ELR. They then could have had the Cien in their line-up eventually had they NOT fudged up the ELR. They could had done the Ciel at the same time as the ELR, and if they'd done the Ciel right, then the El Miraj would have been with us too. But chances are they'd flub the Ciel as well... But now...that ship has sailed. The BMW wannabe aspirations have long since passed with folk buying cars. As of NOW...people want old skool Cadillacs. Proof? The Escalade just keeps on steam rolling the competition.... But...if Cadillac embraces their past and they do old skool the right way...then who says Cadillac cant do sports cars? Listen...you do have an honest opinion about why Cadillac flubs it, but you also go overboard with it... Tone it done...stop being so hypocritical...

Nope. That is NOT what Cadillac is all about. I guess Cadillac could have a super sport car above the Corvette... but before they do that... they need this Where did you ever get this zany idea that Corvettes are attainable? Top of the line Vettes were ALWAYS expensive... Top of the line Vettes were ALWAYS about being the fastest machines they could be... Top of the line Vettes have always been about state of the art engineering... Stop with this BS you keep on ragging about Corvette, man! You KNOW its not true what you say...so why you say it?

You see it on a Camaro . Super Sport. Rallye Sport. Rallye Sport? Vat is dis Rallye Sport you speak of? Ah yes...from 1973 to 2019. Well..Racing Sport in THIS case...

Ive been saying a version of this for a while now! Im glad that a few passionate people about Cadillac, and GM, are voicing their opinions. If we are NOT happy about our beloved Cadillac...lets start shouting that out loud!!! RAISE A LITTLE HELL!!! (Canuck Rock Rules!!! )

WOW! Now I truly understand why all the downvotes... Anyway... Here is a little video I found a couple of months ago...maybe we could all laugh at the hilarity of this dude's editing! Its really funny. I laugh my a$$ off every time I see it!

Im gonna telll you a story, a little story about Gloria. Down by the river, there was a girl named Gloria. Gloria seems like she is always on the run. Running after somebody thinking that she'll get him somehow. She needs to slow down because she will start to blow it. She is definitely heading for a breakdown. Gloria is one frustrated woman....she MUST be from Boston!!!

Balthy with his cherry pics of...cherry dresses and 'smoking' hot tomato girls ...has got me thinking about this song

Me too. But not for Mexican. I want pizza I think!

I love the States, man! I love your country almost as much as I love my own! It pains me to see and hear all that is happening in your country. Ill stop with the political stuff. Only because reality of what our countries have done to other countries is hard to accept by some of us...yes...including Canada....

In light with everything that is going on in politics today...

Yeah...cherries... They way she's lookin' at the camera, her cherry has been p...let's just say that she fooled many at the alter by wearing white...

All this does NOT concern YOU or the United States OF America... You know what? THIS concerns YOU and the United States OF America... IRONY is that...those shythole countries YOU wanna talk about, well, a lot...a lot of similarities exist... Yet another public shooting...this one is fresh. It happened YESTERDAY... From Fox news so YOU dont say to me its #fakenews... https://www.foxnews.com/us/at-least-12-deaths-and-several-injuries-at-virginia-beach-municipal-complex-police-say-shooter-also-dead-reports Always looking at other's crap, while ignoring your own... I guess THAT is how you will get great moving forward...

Lets be fair though... But...once a liar...always a liar... Once a blowhard...always a blowhard... http://gmauthority.com/blog/2016/02/the-tale-of-donald-trumps-dotted-history-with-cadillac/

Ummmm...Pontiac died a few years after that... You sure its a good idea???

That wasnt to put you in your place. I figured, I bitched at you long enough two weeks ago or so....so...that "diesel|" party boat was just that...a party boat...meant for us to have fun posting in here. I figured, why be bitter? We might as well all have fun in here... Now that we've done finished with throwing around all these nice pleasantries...

For Cadillac... There is a lot of noise in Detroit. A lot of that white static noise. As much of an arrogant and clueless mindset that is in Silicon Valley, there is just as much of that same arrogant, clueless mindset in Detroit. Cadillac needs to distance itself from bad vibes. It needs to surround itself with good vibes. Returning back to Detroit may not be that answer either... Was NYC that bad of a choice, or was it still the Detroit dinosaur mentality that never accepted Cadillac going to NYC in the first place that hindered that decision? You cant move forward if resistance to change keeps dragging you down...(sound familiar?) Detroit to NYC is only 614.5 miles With the communication technology we got today, that distance is not a problem. I mean, even the engineering stuff, with the 3D software and virtual reality stuff...stuff gets engineered in one corner of the GLOBE and is sent via email with whatever means via the world wide web INSTANTLY to another corner of the GLOBE and other engineers get to view it as if they were there. The interior designs of cars are done this way I believe in that no real mock-up is used that often anymore and all the ergonomics are figured out in this virtual reality world... The designing of parts has been done on this level for a long time. I forget what was the first car to be engineered this way, but there was a car in the 1990s that was ENTIRELY engineered and tested in the VIRTUAL WORLD and its long term defects were computed in the virtual world....so...Cadillac being in NYC for THAT should NOT have been the problem. Cadillac distancing themselves from the FALSE accolades was a reason I believe. Cadillac did not, nor still does not need a bunch of homers high fiving each other over false hopes... Yes, Cadillac builds great cars, and the homers in Detroit SHOULD high five themselves for doing so. But also, that blindness does NOT see what others are doing, because those Detroit Homers ALWAYS thought GM had it going on, and let the German and Japanese luxury makers steal their lunch because of that sad arrogance, and that arrogance also does not see the weakness of the current Cadillac line-up. And that arrogance does not see what the others are doing to stay ahead of the game. Cadillac always seems 1 or 2 steps behind. And its that dinosaur mentality that stops Cadillac from actually LEADING the pack... As far as Infiniti goes...Hong Kong is a country within a country when their homeland is in another country. And Japan and China are not exactly the best of friends. If you think China and the US are not doing good in the foreign relations department lately. HA! China may have a deeep beef with Japan. I think THAT is more of the issue than anything else for Infiniti car sales in Japan. Infiniti being a Japanese car company.... At least Detroit and NYC as far as I could tell, are both in the USofA.

I could see that happening... I just wished Id seen it sooner and for myself as I serve many of these types of cheapwads in my restaurant. Not necessarily cheapwad Tesla owners, but just cheapwad human disgraces in general.

Id like to say that, I support EVs. Im also a VEGAN myself. I just like meat to be served with my veggies. Its a personal choice. About my fueling habits. My daily driven habits are as follows. I fill up to the brim, and then go as low as possible before I fuel up again. But I have a gasoline station on the way to work and another that is almost right next to the restaurant and another that is very close to my house. And my daily commute is but a 6 mile trip going and another 6 mile trip coming back. But, If I need to travel far, I make sure I have enough to get me to my destination, and then some so if Im stuck in traffic, or there are wild detours (you never know in Montreal) I dont run out of gas. So, more often than not, on long trips, my tank is full full...

I could see what you are saying. What everybody else is saying. The first post I made in this thread is actually a serious post as it truly represents of how I feel about yet another CUV, and how I really dont mind the name because Im thankful its not yet another alphanumeric, but Im really down on the fact that we have yet another crossover in the marketplace. The other posts are just made in jest as I like to have fun sometimes. But there is still that element of truth to my posts as yes I troll, but its not full blown trolling as my posts are honest. But yeah, Trailblazer or on the other one, the Blazer, are not fitting names to these new CUVs as they dont fit their historical backround, nor are a good representation of what the actual names stand for in regards to what the new models do... But...Tracker is not a good representation for this new CUV either. No...not because of privacy scandals... But because Tracker also seems to be of an adventurous name...and this new CUV will not be that. Unless we think about GPS tracking devices to track are whereabouts going from Starbucks to Wallmart (this is 2019) to track where our UBER EATS driver is at so we could eat and not starve to death...

That, and...does anybody remember the Tracker anyway? And, what does a Tracker do that is so special? As the former model and as a name. As the vehicle named Tracker, it was a good offroader. This new CUV will be far removed from that. So...not so much different then Trailblazer as a name for it as there are discrepancies with model identities with both names... As a name...maybe in 2019...TRACKER for a vehicle name may not be so good. With all the hacking, spyware, Russian Collusion election tampering, WIKILEAKS/Cambridge Analytica/Facebook privacy scandals, Big Brother keeping an eye on us...Tracker maybe the wrong name for THIS generation...