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Yet...no answer or rebuttal to the post where the Acura pics reside... So...you still sticking to your idea that Buick tried to sell to the youthful market using the H-Body and J-Body? Because its my turn to laugh... PSS: yet those rust bucket POS Japanese imports have caused a real problem for American car brands in the USofA... Like I said...no real rebuttal...just empty insults...

PS: What are you gonna "correct" me on? Because I said Opel sourced J-Platform? Who the hell cares about the accuracy of THAT statement? Even if its not accurate...the message is NOT wrong because I used exaggeration... Opel was a part of GM then...it dont matter where the J Platform came from...it came from GM engineering from all its brands... But GM butthurtness fanboys WILL take offense to that when someone says that it a condescending way......when they shouldnt...but its said that way to trigger you....and it works...so the irony is that when you ask me if Im triggered...its really you that is triggered... But THAT is NOT the point... The point being, is that Buick was NOT making youthful cars aimed at the youth. Buick, and all of GM's brands were trying to cut costs to be profitable and platform sharing was the answer...except it was not platform sharing they were doing...they were doing the wrong way of platform sharing...they were doing god-awful badge engineering... And if THAT to you guys means selling cars to the youth, then Im wrong then!!!

Im cool as a cucumber... Are you? That would be twice you call me other by my name and Balthy took offense for me calling him out on semantics... Stop with the blinders, both of you, and accept the fact that Buick...even with the GS of muscle car fame in the 1960s, was NEVER into the youth market. In fact, they created the GSX for it to be a tad more colourful for the young to be more muscle car than uptight old man's car like a GTO... And the GS was relatively late to the party compared to the GTO and the 442 in 1964... The Riviera was in 1964 was NOT a youthful entry...it was more for distinguished gentlemen... Its called showing you proof...and calling out your bullshyte!!! ?

But you always do play semantics... and I did NOT run astray...on ANY point... The 455 went away... The 3.8 was bought back by Buick from Land Rover that Buick sold to them sometime in that era...I really do not care about the accuracy of the years...its IRRELEVANT to the POINTS being made... The 3.8 liter V6 in the late 1970s were raced at NASCAR or something...which intrigued Buick engineers further and decided to use that for their Regal to create a new muscle car for the modern times that was fuel efficient...the GN was born... GN died because GM went to FWD for most of their cars... Dont matter...Acura did youthful FWD cars...Buick did not in that SAME TIME FRAME!!! THOSE are the points being made...THOSE are ACCURATE...anything else anybody wants to "correct" is JUST SEMANTICS!!! I JUST included a tad more details just to SHOW you guys I KNOW what Im saying IN THE CONTEXT OF TIME!!!

No! YOU are looking at them with GM blinders on! Those folk that bought those cars were GM lifers....WERE GM lifers as Im willing to bet, those folk went away and bought Japanese imports... I AM looking at them in relation to time...Its THOSE cars that started the GM erosion of market share in the US that Honda, Toyota and Nissan eventually got and created Acura, Lexus and Infiniti...to DISPLACE the American luxury brands... Its THOSE cars that were engineered crappy and failed many Americans and Americans would never return to American brands... Less than two car generations from the H-Body to the J Body and the Japanese had Acura and Lexus and Infiniti on our shores... Between that big block 455 GS Colonnade to the 1987 GNX...and Acura was selling Integras and Legends... Two years later and the NSX changed the world... YOU want to talk about YOUTHFUL, Sporty LUXURIOUS RIDES???!!! This wiped the floor with ANY T-Type Skyhawk... THAT is a 1987...It really is a Honda Civic... But Honda had this that wiped the floor with the badge engineered Z24. This is a 1986 1986 Legend 1989 You honestly think...that what Buick gave us between 1977 and 1987...is YOUTHFUL? Is WORTHY of the Buick nameplate? In context of time???!!! Take off your GM blinders...because in 1977... THIS is what Honda was giving us... So...in context of time...even with a RWD H-Body...had the H-Body been as good as YOU are trying to sell me on context of time...and then morphed in to the J-Body...you think that Acura would succeed in the 1990s? Get outta here with the H-Body bullshyte! Even worse for you to try to sell me on the J-Body... And Im a HUGE defender of the J-Body...but O know its limitiations...

And you are trying to argue with me trying to tell me that Buick actually tried hard to sell to the young...in which Im PROVING to you that is NOT the case... That GS on top, 1973? lasted another 1-2 years...then it was gone. The 455 was gone and Buick went to their tried and true 3.8. And 5-6 years later they developed the GN...but in between there was nothing from Buick to get the young folk... Pontiac developped a CAN-AM in 1977 with the Colonnade body style but the other 3 versions from Buick, Chevy and Oldsmobile were just bad, neutered vehicles...(Hey...I know why, the 1970s...we dont have to state the reasons why...) YOU mentioned the H and J platorm cars...and I showed you those were nothing but crappy FWD redundancy compliancy appliancy... in which Cadillac got jealous for whatever reason...to do a young hip car and failed in the mid 1980s with that FWD redundancy compliancy appliancy ... (The H-Body was in fact RWD...I know!!! BIG DEAL!!! Still crappy badge engineery, compliancy, appliancy) The T-Type Skyhawk??? PLEASE???!!! The Z24 barely got any respect and YOU are gonna sell me on a Buick version? The J platform was a cheap Opel sourced platform...it worked for Chevy and Pontiac to a point...but... CMON, man! GM badge engineering at its WORST!!! And people were not fooled by it either! Only GM blind faithful! Take off the GM blinders and talk to me without the bias...

You mean this Skyhawk Or this one? Or is it this one? (The only one that has somewhat different front and rear is the Pontiac version, but the silhouette is the same...) And this Skyhawk? Which one is the Buick and which one is the Pontiac and which one is the Oldsmobile? Oh...yeah...I forgot...Cadillac also tried to get younger the same way... Or is that the Chevy version? What is more younger? A T-Type or a Z24? Or are the Opel versions the youngest? The 1960s GS and GSX and the 1980s GN and GNX were only a couple of models that lasted a very short period of time that Buick themselves did not really promote. As soon as they came, they left... The 1960s GS last at least to model generations, but the GN and GNX were on the G-Body's last legs...only 1 generation for Dark Vader's automobile...and only 3 or 4 years offered on the GN. The GNX was a one shot deal... The GS is older than I am and by the time I was born it was gone, and Im 46 years old. If I did not know about cars, I wouldnt know it existed. The GN and GSX was a time before the world wide web went online to the world...almost a decade before...at a time when cell phones were bigger than bricks. CDs just came out....Cassettes were all the rage. Beta was still in competition with VHS... THAT Buick effort was such a loooong time ago, we might as well just group the GN and GNX with the GS and GSX...

Cool idea..but I dont think people will buy into the idea that Buicks are young folk vehicles no matter how hard GM tries... Crossover coupes is toooo cool for Buick. The Buick brand in North America is just about done I think. I would market Buick as a stuffy, snobby brand rather try to go hip with "I cant believe this is Buick" commercials. Instead, Id be doing "Do you have Grey Poupon" commercials and instead of the guy pulling up next to a Rolls Royce for him to ask that, the guy asking would be pulling up next to a Buick... the only thing would be that the driver of the Buick need not be an old conservative white male...but anybody, black or white, male or female, that passes off as stick up the ass, rich snob.

Yeah...I could see a darkish green, emerald metallic paint job on Mazda cars and CUVs... Like this Vette But how many dullards would actually go for that colour other than the Miata? Im willing to bet, not many.

Always with the semantics... You very well know that noise pollution laws took in effect sometime in the 1970s regarding loud engine exhaust noises. So much so...that even AFTERMARKET exhausts even for classic cars cannot exceed a certain amount of decibels...which I am tooo lazy to google...yet, the jist of those videos was exactly that... A modern Hellcat cannot, will not pass noise pollution laws leaving the factory loud... In the 1960s, there was an option for muffler delete on your factory optioned big block muscle car, therefore, that 1970 Challenger would definitely leave the factory being that loud and although that Hellcat may have an aftermarket exhaust...its still subdued... And hence this video Im about to post But if the cops catch you with that bypass open, you get a fine... There is a reason for such laws to have been passed, because there were people complaining... Therefore...my original post still stands true....and yours...not so much ?

There are! This is why muscle cars dont sound like this anymore... But they are subdued like this with almost double the horsepower... And about the air pollution thing...

Because orange, and burnt orange never sold well for Nissan in the early 2000s, teal and aqua is such a 1990s thing and therefore passé, and quite frankly, society today are that bland. Silver and black and grey and white is what sells the most. Mazda and Dodge, because of their youthful and playful nature, reds and electric blues are offered and sold more than say Chevy and Ford and Toyota and Honda... Honestly, if you look at GM's or Ford's or Honda's or Nissan's colour palate, is just as drab... At least with Mazda, their red and blue is striking... Subaru's blue is also striking. But who other's mainstream colour palate is eye catching? Dodge...but they sell 1960s/1970s style muscle cars just like they sold them then... Im afraid, this has more to do with the bland society we live in rather than Mazda's choices for colours. Even if they gave us different shades and options, people of today would NOT buy them anyway...

There is another angle I could go with. The title of this is the 7 WONDERS... Just like the buildings, arches, statues, temples that the original and new wonders represent...cars that have made us humans wonder in awe about them them... 1. 1955 Mercedes Benz Gullwing 2. Lamborghini Countach 5000 3. Ferrari GT California 4. 1959 Cadillac Eldorado Biarritz convertible 5. Citroen DS 6. Tesla Model S P100D Ford Hot Rod. 1932, 1933. It dont matter. stripped Ford body shell, Flat Head V8 and flames is all that matters.

Not for the first 5 years though...

The difference though with the VW Phaeton was that the Phaeton was truly a top tier luxury car. It was engineered like one. The price was less expensive than the equivalent Audi A8 or Bentley GT (all 3 shared the same platform) was 1. VW was the "cheaper" brand. The people's car brand...(which marketing wise, the Phaeton failed not because it was a bad car...au contraire, it was a FANTASTIC car, but it was an oxymoron to sell a people's car to the 1%ers, even though the price tag was less expensive than the 1%er equivalent competition...but Pieche had visions of grandeur that just because VW had success with the Passat being on the Audi A4 platform and having success making VW enter a higher priced niche than ever before, he thought that a Phaeton priced less than a comparable Audi, Bimmer and Mercedes, VW could enter that realm...he did have the car, the Phaeton WAS the real deal, VW was and to this day is STILL not ready to sell 1%er vehicles...) ) 2. The VW had steel body shell construction while the Audi and Bentley had aluminium body shell construction.

I agree with the sentiment...but not all that accurate either... A unibody SUV but was small so it be closer to the modern CUV thing was really the Cherokee of the 1980s. But the CUV thing drives more like a car rather than a truck by definition...so the AMC Eagle has a place here before any Cherokee or CR-V or Lexus RX... And... Land Rover may want say something about the luxury side of things....or even the Jeep Grand Wagoneer... But...none of these exist if the Willys Jeep had not been invented before any Land Rover, which the first Land Rover was a reversed engineered copy of the Jeep, much like the Toyota FJ 4x4 right after the war...or Toyota's answer to the bigger Land Rover, the Land Cruiser. The Jeep should be the only one represented here... But that is just my opinion...

1. The 1st generally accepted working internal combustion engine vehicle. 1885 Benz Patent-Motorwagen 2. First production car with modern controls arrangement - Cadillac Type 53 3. The car that put not only America on wheels, but the world. Ford Model T 4. VW Beetle. The longest-running and most manufactured vehicle of a single platform ever made. 5. The world's most beautiful car ever made....generally accepted...which I think is the Jaguar E-Type that year after year, in these kinds of polls is always at the #1 spot or almost always is. 6. The first ever concept car The Buick Y Job 7. The first 4 wheel drive vehicle The Willys Jeep

Of course there are other colours... As sexy as red though... All those pics you posted...of the cars... NONE are as sexy as a red car... Red could even turn that sad blue Malibu into a hot car... Because blue...is better suited to sell paradise on earth... But ironically, blue represents coldness, rather than hotness...as opposed to the colour red.... Therefore, you could turn BLUE in the face to try to convince yourself actually, red will always be the defacto colour to showcase a car a certain way... PS: gold and silver are also fantastic colours to showcase a certain level of richness and sophistication for a car...both of those colours lack the fiery, fierceness, taboo, sexuality, evilness that the colour red symbolizes.... Black too...but black is also souless. It represents death...which is great for a certain type of car...A Dodge Demon...ironically the devil is known to wear red...but hence the RED eye Challenger... Red is red my friend... red Ferraris and red Lamborghinis...little red Corvettes...cue in Prince...

I disagree with you there, buddy. Cars, especially cars at car shows showcasing their specialness. While you may seem tired of red, the colour red signifies fire, and danger, maybe speed and therefore excitement. Red also signifies jewels...expensive rare jewels... You said it yourself, buddy! Red will always be sexy. It may be cliché, but red will always be...RACY...get it?

I agree. That governments have a responsibility to their people first and foremost! But, when lies and deceit and corruption come before the protection of the people...we have misinformed facts and stuff like Brexit happening... Ill talk about North America... NAFTA... NAFTA is not the real cause why middle class, manufacturing jobs went away in North America. It facilitated it, but not the true cause... Find the truth and you will realize why MAGA in 2016 played on the fear of an entire nation... (Also...you, as an American, or a British sympathizer, you got to realize that being a world power today is NOT about full control of ALL the world's resources by control with an iron fist...the wealth has GOT to be spread around...in fact...THAT was the TRUE purpose of NAFTA to begin with...but like I said...find out the real truth about why NAFTA did not pan out...hint: corporate greed and corrupt political lobbying...and you got yourself part of the answer...) (Brexit is EXACTLY how some view NAFTA...many falsehoods...The EU has not damaged the big wealthy countries like Germany, France or England...While its true that it benefitted Germany the most, the EU has destroyed the little countries...Spain, Italy...GREECE...but that xenophobic rhetoric also blames socialism (false) and corruption of (while true...that corruption has aided Britain, Germany and France) and the favorite excuse of them all...the true xenophobe rhetoric...that Greeks are lazy...and all that although certain elements are truthful...most is lies and deceit...and only the corporate big wigs get to benefit along with some political figures that lie in bed together...In other words...EU did not destroy Britain a quarter of how it destroyed Greece...one country that would actually benefit from leaving the EU...would be Greece...had Greece had better, stronger, less corrupt and sellout politicians to EU leaders and corporations...but of course...Germany, France, England, USA, would never admit to that, nor tell its people that either...that multi-national corporations of the US, Germany, France, England, China control the world and its political leaders are aiding and abetting and misleading their populations...) You honestly believe a concrete wall 50 feet high will actually prevent illegals pouring into your country? Hear what the border people are actually saying about that and listen to real facts and not xenophobic rhetoric and maybe the billions that are to be spent on protection of your borders will be spent PROPERLY with the NECESSARY MEASURES to counter illegals entering your country... But...like you always say, this aint a political site. I dont want it to be an issue JUST because I said a couple of political words here and there... Also, to anyone wanting to take offense...I hope you realize my statements are kinda just general statements...and NOT leaning on any side of the political fence. Not demeaning any political leader or party...just words meant for all of us to open up our eyes...

I feel you! CUVs need to be exciting too!!! They cant all be tall and have a high center of gravity with bland and boring and me too same ole same ole styling... With grey Pontiac style cladding to signify off roading or whatever this metoo CUV movement is taking us! I do NOT know what manufactureres need to do to spice these things up externally, but they got to do something... Im bored with all CUVs and SUVs from every single manufacturer. Always was. And I mean every manufacturer. With the exception of an 80 year old General Purpose vehicle known as Jeep...I CANT STAND these! There are a couple that move me...Suzuki SideKicks and Toyota 4 Runners of the 1980s and the occasional Grand Cherokee and Ford Edge...and dare I say BMW X6M...I want this movement to die off...unless a CUV or SUV becomes enthusiast type material with an exterior to match my car craziness...

Xenophobia started it. Then nostalgia about the good ole days fueled the rest. And then Brexit happened. Sounds all too familiar on this side of the pond...a tad less in the Great White North up here, yet still present...I wont even talk about my neighbors to the South of where I live...?

Is that a late model Northstar? Like 2006 and newer? Because I read that GM finally fixed what was the problem with the head gaskets being blown. Several problems with the Northstar were adressed with the RWD STS and STS-V and XLR and XLR-V. Both the 4.6 and the supercharged 4.4 are very reliable and not finicky like previous versions.

Did I hear someone say fuselages? How about this one? I think l also read something about skirts? and skirts not looking so good with fender flares? I must have misread then...sorry!

It was an ecotec. That ecotec is still being used by GM. Maybe not THAT particualr version. .But GM puts a derivative of it in everything nowadays that the Alero and Grand Am used. And it was and still is a very good engine. It has powered some very cool GM rides ever since it was introduced.Th SAAB 9-3. The Kappa twins. The Cobalt SS. The CT6 PHEV...the Fisker Karma as the gasoline powered generator...OK, the Karma is not a GM ride. Still a cool ride. Beautiful ride actually.