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Yes..drain pan/drain line...and that is the only requirement. No electrical code. Plumbing code. Code none-the-less. Liabilty, insurance... Fine if its in a single home dwelling. No biggie other than if not installed properly, insurance wont pay you for YOUR damages. But if you install improperly in a multi-complex unit, not only will your insurance not cover your losses, but you are gonna be liable for every home that you flooded and caused damage. Pretty expensive for a lowly dishwasher...and THAT is why I made the connection for a dishwasher... Well...there is a difference. That the EV charging unit would be on MY territory. I could give you the 2000 dollars for your Buick. But..you'de have to ship the Buick to me. I wont be using it, but it be on MY territory. ? In this case, the Buick would be in my way as I have a single garage but place for 4 cars in my drive-way, as opposed to a smallish charging unit, but hey...this is a discussion I wont back down on either... so Ill live with the Buick in my driveway.

Dishwashers ARE required to stay with the home in Quebec. Dishwashers ARE coded in that the installations ARE required to meet certain water flooding prevention methods... Who says that 220V/30AMP outlets for EV chargers could not be used EVEN IF the owner of a house does NOT own an EV. As a society, we are dependent more and more on electricity than we are on gasoline... 3D printers...no, not the little ones. But the bigger ones may use 220V. And those will be part of our future too. Or some other high voltage necessity going forward into our future... Even if you dont own an EV but have a charger outlet installed or even a charging unit...it does NOT cost you more to have it in your house...only the 2000 or less dollars it initially costs you...and as we are going into our future, EVs are it... And in the grand scheme of things...2000 dollars or less is NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL. Its just there. Like I said. I have bought a house where the rough for the basement bathroom was an option for me to have made. I paid for that option. My basement is finished yet the bathroom in the basement is just a storage room. The rough is there for the next future owner for him to make a bathroom if he chooses. It an easier sell. And an easier job for me or future owner(if any) to make a bathroom. I paid for something that I will NEVER use...and it cost me around that mythical 2000 dollars we keep on mentioning. Well...like I said...much ado about nothing... Installing wiring and the like, after the fact becomes a hassle. So why even fight it? EVs are at 2%. And will grow...its part of the grand design anyway...

More like immediate Corvette buyers know that the C8 will be available soon... These immediate Corvette potential owners are also aware that the C7 bones are closely related to the C5 bones and that the C8 will be completely new from the ground up, even if not mid-engined... so probably the immediate Corvette buyers that will be will and are holding off to buy a brand new Vette waiting for the C8 to arrive. Corvette sales always do this. The final years especially THE final year of the generation ALWAYS slips waaaay below the sales charts. But then when the new generation arrives, the sales spike up again...so...no biggie for that stat you hold dear to prove a point of some sort. So I wouldnt be using the Corvette as an example is what Im saying.

Yeah...USB outlets shoudlnt be that expensive, I tried to make the story (true story though) dramatic to prove a point. I wish I had the hindsight to do all that you do 10 years ago and let the home contractor do it for me. Plenum tubing and USB outlets and really, computer friendly home ready for the internet and blutooth and whatnot. Not quite full out smart and connected home, but computer friendly at the minimum. My house is a new house, but its an "old school" house. Other than it being a super insulated home with air exchangers and the like, its still "old" tech in regards to the computer reality world we live in. I see the options that are out today with that such as computer controlled lighting where I could choose from a single panel what lights could go on and off and and what times and the like and Im jealous. Sure...old school gadgets still exist for that, but its like recording TV programs with an old VCR versus modern DVRs...and sure I could buy the hardware to do it myself....but I have top do it myself... Good to know that you have the option to install a charger that you could uninstall. I imagine a Tesla owner would prefer to take his Tesla supercharger rather than leave his at the old home and go into a new home with a generic ho-hum charger... Exactly though, as long as the home has the required 220V 30AMP outlet already there.

We all have hands. We could wash our dishes the old fashioned way. And household dishwashers are not the industrial, hotellerie (restaurant and hotel business)dishwashers that wash dishes at super high temps in like 2 minutes. Household dishwashers take 1/2 the day to do the job. Washing by hand takes 5,10 minutes for a regular family of 4... EVs...WILL be the future whether you like it or not... Like I said last week or so. Everybody in the car biz and the governments are leading us up to this. THIS is just another way to facilitate the transition. A building (house or industrial) is supposed to last us past 100 years, right? Let us not put a number on it but buildings are more or less for the very long term. Even the stadium that Ruth built, lasted 85 years only to be DECLARED "obsolete"...but still...85 years. Fenway is still open more than 100 years. Some homes in the US are 150 year old homes and STILL people are living in them. In Europe, older than that still... Therefore, if EVs are the way to the future, then home EV charging is gonna be an integral part of our way of life going forward. 5 years ago, USB charging ports were not even dreamt up anywhere. Today, if one buys a new home...this is an option to them I wish when I bought my home 10 years ago, I had that option...but I dont. I have to fork over 14.99 or so per outlet plus all the electrical crap to install it...after the fact... Point being, EVs are our future, if the electricals are part of the system going forward now, the transition will be that much easier 10-20-30 years down the road. We got to plan ahead...and we have already planned our future with the automobile, and the automobile will cease to run on gasoline at some point... My house, if I decide to sell it 30 years from now, I will be 76, alive and kicking I hope...well, my house wont be ready for the EV future even YOU say might be a thing...30 years from now...because I dont have an EV charging port... But a house being built in two years from now, and it will have a mandatory EV charging port, the dudes that buy that house, WILL be EV ready... My house, when Ill be a 76 year old geezer, if Ill refuse to do the necessary renovations, well, even if EVs will not be the main propulsion cars on our roads, there will be a lot, Ill be limiting myself to potential buyers... Like I said, it wont hurt to have EV charging units in your home. It WILL be a plus, not a negative... Just like having A/C unit installed even in Quebec...its a plus. EVs in Quebec are becoming a tour de force. In Quebec at least, owning a home charger unit now is a plus... One question... If you installed an EV charging unit in your home, does it become part of the home like a dishwasher and the owner wont be able to take it with him? But at least the wiring and outlets will already be there!!!

But...why is it that we complain for EV chargers being non-essential and not for dishwashing machines? Dare I even suggest A/C units being non-essential? Even for areas like Arizona? Maybe Im pushing it for A/C units in Arizona, but in areas like Quebec, Ontario, New York, Massachusetts, Washington, Maryland, Oregon, Illinois, etc...TOTALLY NON-ESSENTIAL!!! Why must we solely focus on EV charging units?

yes! exactly! Part of that post that was ghosted was explaining how I prefer to drive on family trips and not take a plane if I dont have to cross any large amounts of water, like the Atlantic because scenery is what I want to take in. Stop and see interesting places. Take the time to take it all in. Florida is too far for the available vacation time I may have this summer. My partner and our employees need to go on vacation too. I cant hog up all the summer weeks... And yes...a full size SUV is the way to go. THAT is another reason why I love American land yachts. Those cars gobbled up the miles in comfort. I guess the new Roadmasters and Delta 88s and Bel Airs and Bonnevilles and Chrysler New Yorkers are the Durangos and Expeditions and 'Gators and the GM quintuplets (Caddy versions of the Tahoe and 'Burban) But yeah. Slowly but surely, I will visit the USA. There is sooooo much I wanna see. I could forego Las Vegas. But the Grand Canyon is a must! I could forego the Bible Belt, but within the Bible Belt, there are quite a few areas of interest. Then there is Europe....

I like this piece of news and I like the name Corsair as well as Nautilus. Bravo Lincoln!!!

I had a nice long response written for you...but *sigh* I pressed on something and all my tabs disappeared including the CheersandGears website and when I clicked back on the website to get to your post to respond to it, well, the site did not save the response!!! ? All to say thank-you for your input and Ill look into Cape May, NJ. Florida will be visited another year. We may go with my neighbor to South Carolina together, but probably not. Ocean City with my best friend and his family looks like the winning possibility. Or by ourselves. But I will look into Cape May and suggest that to my friend. Now, all you get is this cheap, watered down response. ?

I was thinking the same thing!!! Well, maybe not the Suburban, but a Tahoe/Yukon. Gas is cheap in your land. The Suburban might be overkill, but then again, its AMERICA! Overkill is the ONLY way!!!

This summer we are thinking about travelling down to the States for some vacation time. Hit some American beaches...on the East Coast. I dont think Ill have the time to drive all the way down to Florida (I do want to drive, so my kids get to see some American paysage. (scenery) South Carolina and Mytle Beach? My other neighbor, to the right of me(the neighbor to the left has the Tesla Model 3), he goes to Myrtle Beach every year. Maybe too far south still... Virginia Beach? Wildwood New Jersey? My best friend has gone to Ocean City Maryland twice and he recommends we go there. There is Massachusetts with Cape Cod or Martha's Vineyards or the Hamptons but we've been to Boston before to see my cousin and my daughter has a school trip there just before school finishes and the beaches that north arent exactly...well, Im used to Greek beaches... Further south and the beaches look awesome. Out west even better... Anyway, the point to this long winded story is about car rentals...yes car rentals...I might as well continue the car rental talk. We sometimes take our own vehicles for family trips and sometimes we rent. Depending on my moods. This time Im thinking about renting. And this time, since today's fullsized cars are midsizers of yore, me thinks Im going to go with an SUV. There...my story is finished.

You dont like toast? You mean, you dont make any at home? Or you use a blowtorch to roast bread because you live the life of an adventurer?

Yeah... True all that you said... But...like a washing machine...or the rough in a basement potential bathroom. The plumbing for both could be part of the cost of the new house which sometimes is "standard" that comes with the house but if you dont want either a dishwasher or bathroom in your basement, you are forced to buy it or it could be an option, like some cases and if you change your mind 10 years later, costs a lot more to install. And then once you buy a dishwasher, then that dishwasher becomes part of the house as a fixture and the owner selling the house cannot remove the dishwasher. The house is sold with the dishwasher... We could cry all we want about these costs...it really is much ado about nothing... Having an EV charging unit in your brand new home that you bought that you will personally will never use...well, it wont hurt you to have it there. A house is a 200 000-1 000 000 plus dollar investment (if you take care of it)...I think its kinda whiny for anybody to complain about a 2000 dollar unit. Mortgaged for 20-25 years. Peanuts... And in the recent past, people opted for 30-40 year mortgages and to this day, continue to re-mortgage the mortgage pushing the total to 60-70-80 years to finally pay off the house because we over consume with non-essential items. I get that some of us HATE the word mandated because we Americans do NOT want ANYBODY, especially the government telling us what to do. But really, not a big deal. Besides, 3D printers are gonna be a thing even before EVs will be a thing. Really really BIG 3D printers may also be a thing. And maybe those really really big 3D printers will require those washing machine/EV charging unit plugs...in other words, it wont do any harm to have them installed, only brings up the value of your home in the long run.

Im still weighing in. I want a Tesla Model 3. But I dont, I want a similar car, a tad bigger, maybe Model S big, maybe a tad smaller, in the price range of a Model 3, that has range of a Model 3. I guess Im waiting for more choices to arrive to fully get on board. But there will be 1 EV and 1 gasoline powered car in the family if I choose to go with EV in the next 5 or so years. I aint giving up my Acura anytime soon.

I do not do streaming. Nor the cloud. I buy DVDs and Blu Ray still. The only thing I do not do are VHS and cassette tapes. I do use a USB key and have transferred some songs from my CD collection to the USB key and use that key in my wife's Fusion. I have downloaded apps where the app converts youtube downloads and saves it on the computer or phone and from there I transfer it on to the USB key. I could go cloud on that, but I refuse to adopt still. I have also used In my Acura, my car has storage for media integrated in the radio and Ive done that.

For new construction, yes, definitely. But existing homes will have to purchase what we are talking about now. No big deal. Much ado about nothing.

As far as writing another check goes.. Well, this is life... Its how we do things. We buy a 500 dollar Playstation. We get 1 game, two at most, but then we fork over 50 bucks each time we buy another game. Then the next gen Playstaion comes along 2-3 years later, we fork over another 500 bucks and the cycle continues...

Yeah...but...like everything else, if everybody will be driving these things in 10-20-30 years, well, cost per unit will decrease because of this thing called mass produced at a very grand scale, because global scale. 10 million cars per year in North America, add another 6-8 million for Europe, add another 12-15 million for Asia. These things will be as common as toasters. And, we will have customized versions of those. Not only Ferrari branded chargers along with the Tesla ones, but New York Yankees and Hello Kitty ones and Cuisinarts and Michael Korrs... Point being, as (if) EVs become more and more popular, so will the chargers. Home entertainment systems became a thing. Home saunas have become a thing Home hot air dryers for the ladies to do their hair was a thing Now its just a little gun... Just like 3D printers are getting steam. Just like the home personal computer is a thing... And all those that I talked about...were indeed thousands of dollars in those times money...

All irrelevant... You still have the choice NOT to install one. All irrelevant... Anything you buy or choose not to buy , or upgrade or remain with a base model or choose a high priced foreign exotic or remain domestic yet still experience supercar performance but not be able to flaunt pompously is a question of want. 59 000 Tesla Model 3 and we add 2000-3000 to that for the supoercharger remains not a 59 000 car, but a 62 000 doallr car. For a Bolt, we buy a 43 000 dollar Bolt but we dont, we actually buy a 45 000 dollar Bolt. If the charger was included in the price of the vehicle and given to you for "free" nobody would bat an eyelash... But maybe some people would complain that they dont need or want a charger... This way, it gives an option to people. One could use their regular 120 volt receptacles if they wanted too... Much ad about nothing, really.

I never liked this roadster. I never liked the BMW Z3 either. Although the current and last generation Z4s seem to be more interesting to me. But I have never liked the small Benz roadster. The SL is another story. But this one, well, truth be told, I am kinda saddened because that means yet another enthusiast vehicle is going extinct. Not a good thing if you are a car enthusiast. Farewell soldier!

It does not matter how much chargers cost to buy and install. Part of the experience of owning an EV. One shot deal expense. A Chevrolet Bolt is still a 37 000 dollar car. If one is to cry even for a 2000 dollar expense, then a Chevrolet Bolt, or any 37 000 dollar car may not be for that person. Maybe Chevrolet's Sonic/Spark is the right vehicle choice. The Leaf may come in at a cheaper price, same thoughts I have for the Leaf concerning this. A charger that even costs 2000 dollars, is just a 5-7% of the car's purchase price. Like opting to buy a regular car, but opting for a $2000 trim package because of better radio, or safety package or body panel enhancements like plastic body panel cladding how Pontiac charged you literally that much (2000 dollars Canadian) over the base SE Grand Am to upgrade to a Grand Am GT. At least a 2000 dollar charger makes your life owning an EV that much easier. But its funny, when talking about a gasoline powered car, nobody talks about the approx. 3000- 5000 mile oil change intervals you must do on it. At Pep Boys (I just googled) it says 34.99 for regular oil or 21.99 with a groupon coupon. For cheap oil... At a dealership, I imagine the price is a lot more. At 100 000 mile ownership at approximately every 5000 miles at 30 dollars a pop, that would be 600 dollars in oil for just about half the vehicles ownership. Now, I just used two comparisons that are apples to oranges to one another, but it gives you a scope of how car ownership has extra "fees" that must be paid to maintain and use your car with ease... One could opt NOT to buy a charger, but installing one at home makes EV ownership well worth the price...of ditching gasoline powered cars forever. THAT is how of little importance is of ponying up that 2000 dollars for a home charger and how valuable and how far that 2000 dollars gets you. Id say much much farther than a better satnav system or plastic body panels for your Pontiac goes...

All this sounds good and all, but you need a city where the lights are actually synchronized. Montreal and the entire province of Quebec does not follow this kind of...um...witchcraft. Why make life easier for us drivers? Also, Montreal is seeing all kinds of roads closures and detours due to construction and repair sites. This will be a thing for the next 10-15 years. Yipee!!! But yeah, could be a good little technology, if it doesnt distract the driver...

10 000 plus horsepower. WOW! Unfortunately, NHRA does not sponsor anything in and around Montreal anymore. We do have the Formula One race. We did have the E-Formule One race. 1 year and done. But the Monster Trucks come each and every year!!! Sometimes twice a year. I wish our new mayor did not cancel the E-Formula Race. But the race was on our streets as the race sponsors wanted it that way and many people wanting to live...and breathe on our summer streets, just plainly got annoyed at the whole thing. Plus it was expensive so the old mayor lost his election because of that race. At least our new mayor, she is a she, quite cute too, at least she wants to extend our subway system AND she also wants our Expos back, like the previous mayor, so its all up to the Tampa Bay Rays to decide if they are going to build a new stadium or not. Because if not, the Expos are back in Montreal within 2-3 years. Yes..Rays will be moving to Montreal. 2 weeks ago, the future owners of the Expos just secured land to build a stadium in the dowtown core. If not the Tampa Bay Rays, then when MLB will expand. That will be in the next 5-10 years. Anyway...back to EV drag racing.

Oh... Got it! Then Casa's post sums it up quite nicely for me!

Ive been to several Monster Truck events at our Big O. Ex-home of my beloved Expos, and sure, the sounds are intoxicating. Im sure top fuel and funny car drag racers make similar loud noises as I never saw top fuel or funny cars racing. I dont doubt anybody for their love for loud pistons firing all their cylinders. In fact, I remember visiting my dad's work several times as a young kid, Canadair, and I remember listening to those CL-215 water bombers start-up and I remember enjoying those sounds too. And the smells. I love the smell of gasoline. I used to remember the old muscles cars driving past me as a youngster and I used to love the smell of leaded gasoline passing me by. I do not know how fast an electric motor could turn (in a car). I do not know how much power an electric motor could achieve (in a car), but I do know that a funny car/top fuel racer can produce easily 7000 horsepower and just as much ft/lbs of torque. I know I said rocket fuel in the post above, I was exaggerating, but what they use as fuel and how much power these things make...well...another exaggeration, well, with that type of combustion and those power numbers, we could go to the moon with funny cars and top fuel racers. Not an exaggeration, but I heard somewhere that they do accelerate like a rocket leaving our airspace. THAT is awesome. I agree, that EVs will get there someday. All the EVs need is the time and the billions of dollars invested in perfecting the powertrains just like their petrol fueled cousins did for the last 50-60 years...100 years.