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Whether real or imagined, for better or for worse... EVs are gonna be the way of our transportation lives. And I think, when FoMoCo, GM, VAG (Porsche, VW, Audi), Volvo, BMW, M-B, Chinese automotive companies, the folk that own Jaguar, all the EV start-ups such as Tesla, Rivian, and quite possibly the ones that are vapour ware like Faraday...when all these companies are putting all their engineering might and when most governments are willing participants...the EV future is gonna be a go! All the problems, big or small, all the hiccups, big or small, all the mistakes and obstacles that the EVs WILL face in the NEAR and FAR future, well, all those companies and government entities WILL PROBABLY SOLVE those problems going forward. Cost? It wont be a problem when the whole system will work TOGETHER to fight cost... Because as I see it now...the EV thing is not just a consumer option that may or may not succeed in the "real world"...it really is a global way of thought... The planet wants to move away from the internal combustion engine...whether we ICE folk want it or not. Whether we want to believe that or not. The whole ICE, oil and gasoline system (for personal transportation cars) is slowly but surely being replaced by everybody involved in the production of the automobile... Big oil will have to adapt to that. Our roads and infrastructure and we, ourselves, we'll have to adapt to that. But like I said...FoMoCo, GM, VAG (Porsche, VW, Audi), Volvo, BMW, M-B, Chinese automotive companies, the folk that own Jaguar, all the EV start-ups such as Tesla, Rivian, and quite possibly the ones that are vapour ware like Faraday.. all these companies are putting all their engineering might and most governments are willing participants to move ahead in an EV future... Ive said this before, it is not a question of the consumer accepting the EV...its the whole planet wanting to move away from ICE. Some places on this planet will resist, like in Texas or Alberta or Lancaster Pennsylvania. And they WILL put up a good fight too. But ultimately, they will succumb to the EV as its a GLOBAL change...

And.. Ill tackle this: "There are solutions if owners are willing to pay for them. Not every apartment building owner will do this, and the majority have not as yet" True... But we have to view this differently if we are going to use that as a counterpoint. 1. what neighbourhoods are we talking about were landlords are less than willing to spend money on chargers? 2. If we are talking about less affluent neighbourhoods, to put it mildly, than we have to analyze why this may be as to why landlords are not willing to spend money on chargers. a) People renting in these neighborhoods may not even have enough money to buy a used petrol car let alone a brand new 50 000 dollar Model 3 or 40 000 dollar Chevrolet Bolt... b) people in that kind of neighbourhood may also be a tad less house proud, to put it mildly, in that landlords in this kind of neighborhood may think twice in investing that kind of money for chargers for risk of vandalism or theft or whatever... SO MOOT POINT!!! BUT... 3. With that angle out of the way, lets start with the real meat and potatoes argument of "There are solutions if owners are willing to pay for them. Not every apartment building owner will do this, and the majority have not as yet" Now...if we are talking about tenants that rent appartements and own Model 3s and Chevy Bolts... Landlords that own apartment buildings where people have good jobs and have tenants that could afford 40-50 thousand dollar vehicles....well...there is a business opportunity for the landlord to make some sort of money charging a fee covering for the installation, purchase, usage and wear and tear and cost of electricity AND for a small profit... And...people that have CHOSEN to buy or lease a Model 3 or Bolt REALIZE and UNDERSTAND and ACCEPT all of the little nuances and fees and whatnot that comes with owning a 40-50 thousand dollar EV WHILE living and renting an apartment so paying their landlord for service and usage of a charger will not only be accepted, but will be very much appreciated and DELIGHTED to do so!!! Landlords CAN use this and use it as a business venture and make a small profit... Everything has a cost attached to it. The great American spirit is to identify a need, calculate the costs involved and try to make some money of said opportunity. You may see this "There are solutions if owners are willing to pay for them. Not every apartment building owner will do this, and the majority have not as yet" as an obstacle, others may see that as an opportunity to make some fast cash. And as long as the business venture dont lose money...its a success!!! And the beauty of a charging unit. Once it has been installed. That is it! No other recurring costs are attached to it. Only the cost of electricity when in use... And if the building complex is being built new, then the charging units could be designed into the building and could be amortized with the mortgage of the building itself...

I dont mind GM just investing on this. It takes literally billions of dollars to invest in new tech. Hell, it takes billions to invest in new platforms revolving old tech... This way, somebody else does the R&D, the development and the time to engineer while you just help out with a fraction of the cost with investment and reap the benefits anyway. GM has and will continue to engineer their own EV tech, this way, they get to see what another company's vision will be as well and GM could improve upon their own tech going forward. Best of both world's. GM will be improving upon their own EV tech with only their own engineers. GM will see how another company does things with EV tech. Outside of their own engineering. Learn from both and improve the tech even further going forward.

That is still cherry picking a very non-existent problem for SOME EV buyers/owners. While that dilemma DOES exist, it aint THE problem for EV ownership. Because there ARE solutions out there for THAT kind of problem https://www.fastcompany.com/3064354/this-startup-makes-it-easier-to-charge-electric-cars-in-apartment-buildings https://www.chargepoint.com/en-ca/businesses/apartments-and-condos/ https://flo.ca/business/multi-unit-residential-buildings resistance to change... because even with THAT in mind: "Or homes with no driveways. Or apartment dwellers." There are no problems, just solutions... Granted, in some cases the solutions may be harder to get, or even impossible, but still...cherry picking...

Fair enough. Maybe a Model 3 owner (and a Chevroler Bolt, Nissan Leaf owner etc.) rents an apartment in the city somewhere and they park on the streets. But a Model S and Model X owner that are 100 000 dollar cars, the chances are they own (or rent) property that would probably have a garage where a charge station could be installed for use. If no garage, at least on the premises there is a parking lot and there would be a place for charge stations for the people to charge their EVs. Bottom line. Everybody's situation is different. We cant discuss and argue all the negatives just to cherry pick to prove a point. The thing is, an EV owner, if he is blessed with a living quarters that could house a charging station for his own personal use and has access to it 100% at all times whenever he wants it, then moot point to what Blu is trying to suggest. And Blu, he is an owner of a house, n'est-ce pas? He shouldnt even be using that as a negative that he uses the gas station every other day for 5 minutes and does not wait in line to charge a Tesla for hours JUST because he hates EVs... Because for him, if he chose to buy a cute little Chevy Bolt or a very enthusiast Tesla Model S or 3, he wouldnt have to "gas up" at a charge station for daily driving duties... Excuses are just that. Excuses. One could camouflage the hatred excuses and call it "their opinion", but its false to do so that way. Ill accept him just sticking to I HATE EVs than him trying to mask his hatred for EVs with falsehoods!!! That there is the difference why he continues to get flak for his nonacceptance for EVs. His skewing of the facts and the spread of falsehoods...

On some cars, I like that Bulgarian Whore house look, on others not so much. I DO prefer the French Whore house look though... I miss the velour and puffy leather interiors of the 1970s and to a lesser extent the 1980s. Cadillac may not need the quilted look if they do the Escala interior though. THIS is VERY classy!

But a Tesla owner, does not stop at all...as he charges at HOME!!! For the most part!!! But YOU can NEVER do that. Fill up at home! My partner, daily drives his Model S. There is NO charging station on the route he takes from his house to our restaurant. There is NO charging station at our restaurant either. He just uses his supercharger that he has installed at home... And he has done that for the last 4 years... Oh...he has taken it for trips. Family trips to wherever he has gone with his Model S. OK...he had to stop and take time to recharge his EV... But as far as daily driving it back and from home to work...NEVER! He beats you and I in THAT department. (As he does NOT detour away from his regular route to gas up) That part of his life (to visit a gasoline station every other day) is gone forever...

1. Chryco. Nearly went bankrupt (for whatever reason in the late 70s to early 80s. I was too young to know anything about that and now, dont really care about the reasons why) and got a government loan and they did the best of what they could with it and built crappy K-Cars and minivans to survive and pay back their loans... a) Telsa had nothing to do with disparaging Chryco with that K-car and minivan thing nor with the near bankruptcy... b) Chryco, to survive, invented a niche that is still doing good for them, but exciting for car enthusiasts it is not. OK, they merged with Mitsubishi at about that same same time and bought Lamborghini too and created some of the planet's most coolest and exciting cars. Ill give them that. But something happened and then they merged with another company and got their soul sucked right out. Tesla had no part in disparaging Chryco. with that either... 2. Chryco. DID go bankrupt in the mid 2000s. Tesla did no disparaging thing to Chryco. THAT would be Mercedes Benz. 3. Fiat bought the company as a result. And while Auburn engineers have done wonders with pick-up trucks and muscle cars, Fiat is another that COULD be blamed for disparaging Chryco. NOT Tesla. 4. Tesla...is an AMERICAN (call it car company, call it a tech company, call it crap if you wanna) company that has created a specific want and need for something that is quite different than what we are use to. THAT is not disparaging Chryco. That is just great business savvy. Tesla does what it does, nearly as well as Chryco who has been engineering and manufacturing and producing cars since, like YOU put it, since the 19th century. Not too bad for a company that has been doing that since, the 21st century. THAT is not disparaging Chryco. If people, want to buy Tesla vehicles then who are YOU to want to deny Tesla? a) You COULD still buy Chryco. vehicles if you want to. Barring they dont go bankrupt for a 3rd time. Again, nothing to do with Tesla my good friend....Plymouth got canned and Paypal barely existed, let alone Tesla... b) Nothing to do with Tesla either. YOU may not think that there is a market for EVs. But Tesla has sold at least 600 000 EVs so far in their existence. And a smaller, less expensive CUV based on the Model 3 is just about to be revealed. You could chalk up another at least 300 000-400 000 pre-orders for that one as well... THAT is not disparaging Chryco...that is just business. And YOU as freedom fighting, open market, free market loving, buy the hell what you want, American...well...you gots to LOVE that entrepreneurial spirit that Tesla has! THAT is not disparaging Chryco...that is just good business!!! PS: And ummmmm....NOTHING QUIET ABOUT WHAT TESLA DOES!!! ITS LOUD AND PROUD AND TAKING ALL THE OLD GUARD BY STORM!!! And the BEST thing about that? Is that the WHOLE world LOVES Tesla! There are some places on the planet that STILL do NOT know 19th century American car brands...but they do know about Telsa!

Well...I too, wanna hear it! JUST because I also like "heartless", "soulless", and QUIET EVs, does NOT mean I dont enjoy awesome V8 sounds...(Even though those V8 sounds happen to come out ugly, crappy pick-up trucks) So...post the damned thing so I can hears it!!!

Why? Call it laziness. Call it my right as an only child. Im am (was) her apple of her eye after all. Call it whatever you want, its my privilege as a Greek boy, an only child Greek boy, to be spoiled like that by his mom. *SHRUGS* C'est la vie my good friend. With my wife? She simply does NOT trust me with anything that has to do with HER house. Notice I said HER house? That is because its HER house and she does with it as she pleases. And she does not trust me to do anything around the house in fear that I will just screw things up. I do fix things around the house, but I am scrutinized and inspected closely by her. I have to pass her standards or I have to redo it or pay a professional to do the repair job properly. Most of time I do good. And if, knock on wood, our marriage goes south, well, its HER house if you catch my drift....

I got something better for you to check out without the FB BS... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVg9FLv_0-Y Just click on that link and be amazed, aroused and entertained! ditto for me BLU. I dont even have a Facebook acccount.

I was 30. I never once washed my own clothes...well, I went to Greece for vacation couple of times for a couple of months or so without my parents, so there is that. But on a whole, from mommy to straight to wife, I have never washed my own clothes!!! Damn proud of that!

Depending on the car, but Im one of these guys that likes sporty exterior enhancememts...especially on my FWD dreams..(I miss them dearly actually) Therefore, for me, a little exterior sporty enhancememt is welcomed. I see nothing wrong with it. And If the boyracer looks also comes with the goods, even better!!! (mind you, the Turbo GP was not too shabby in the performance department back in the day...not an AMG Hammer, but respectable..) AMG Hammer also got the boyracer styling too. Brings a smile to my face! ? Back to the XT5 Its just a subtle appearance package that is tastefully done. What seems to be the problem? Maybe wanting a V Series version? OK...fair enough. But how would you like that appearance though? Boyracer like the ATS-V and CTS-V or understated? Because Id understand a lot more if the complaining was for the boyracer looks of Cadillacs V Series cars...

I have been shoveling snow, like, since forever. Even before my parents bought our house when I was 14. Even if I lived in the city. https://www.google.com/maps/place/3873+St+Catherine+St+E,+Montreal,+QC+H1W+2G5/@45.5461798,-73.5368287,3a,75y,311.75h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s-3cHX9lG5YvTumF8U-KlAQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D-3cHX9lG5YvTumF8U-KlAQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.TACTILE.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D86%26h%3D86%26yaw%3D311.75183%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x4cc91b865c19c47f:0x27e83dbc873130a!8m2!3d45.5462721!4d-73.5369815 We lived in that house on top of the restaurant (different restaurant back in the day. My room was to the right of that For Sale sign). I used to shovel that big balcony to the side of that building. That was our balcony. (it was the whole length back in the day, like the whole length) and I even shoveled the street. Why? For my dad to park his car when the city did not clean the streets. Or to shovel so he could get out. You know...front heavy RWD cars back in the day... He usually parked where the other Vincent Restaurant at either lamp post. Back in the day, Vincent Restaurant did not have a parking at the side. And those lamp posts were not there. Two huge maple trees were there. Maybe the second lamp post was a lamp post. I do not remember. But the first lamp post was definetly a maple tree 30 years ago!!! Then we bought a house so the driveway cleaning duties were passed on to my adolescent ass...all the way until I left the house when I got married. When I was like 30 years old... I got a snow guy that I only pay $200 per season and he has a tractor and clears my driveway...Its only 200 dollars and days like today and tomorrow, well worth it! Even if this is the only snowfall all winter long, the 200 dollars paid itself. I do shovel sometimes though when he is "late" and I need to get out of the house. I have this contract JUST for snowstorms because whether the snow is light and fluffy, icey or wet heavy, or powdery and blistery, its only 200 dollars. And Montreal gets all the types of snowfalls there is. Depending what point in the season we are in.

Depending on how the storm hits, I guess. For the school closures, you guys had very high winds too...That plays a factor Im assuming. As of now, we are just getting the snow fall. Its light. Winds are normal. But it will intensify by 6:00 PM (Eastern time for you westerners)

You're f@#k& fluffy! You sissy! Wet snow is a bitch to shovel! Icey snow too. Light and fluffy can be fun. Heavy snow is best for snowball fights. Anyway...you are right, shoveling that white mess is no fun at all. Its started to snow here. On our way to 40 cm. yay!

If I was a millionaire/billionaire playboy, Id make an incredibly high offer for it and buy it. Then...Id drive it. Of course I wouldnt be driving it in Montreal. Cold weather, ice, snow, salt, potholes... Id be putting the miles on it it someplace dry and warm. Like maybe Arizona or Nevada or California. But yeah...Id definitely would pile on those miles. Cars are meant to be driven, and Id be driving it. A reader's comment: (which I do not agree with) yes. All cars are meant to be driven. Its a shame if one is able bodied to do so and NOT enjoy the true nature of a beast like this. I got a diecast scale 1/18 of a GNX. I see the beauty of it everyday in my display case. (along with the other 73 cars I have). But to truly enjoy this thing, I HAVE to drive it, to really truly experience it to enjoy it. I mean, those Buick and McLaren engineers built this thing for one specific reason, and that reason was to drive the shyte out of it...not to look at it in a museum. But to rip the rear tires to shreds to embarrass Corvettes and Mustangs and anything else that dared to get in its way...

Wow! You get paid to use cruise control. This is awesome. Your salary is calculated by the mile traveled with cruise control or by the minute that it is used? I wish I had extra income to come in as easy as that. Thanx! But still...no reason for this accident to happen regardless if the driver is an idiot or auto-pilot faltered.

Is there any ice or snow on the ground? Because that too will "confuse" any autopilot system. (Not just Tesla's system) The NTSB should rethink on how it views autonomous driving technology as a whole going forward. Tesla or otherwise. And Tesla, with yet another accident, even if driver error, should rethink its policies and strategies (for human life) concerning this shyte! It does not matter if the consumer does not understand the tech, or even if we humans abuse the tech, or because the tech is still at its infancy. Its clear that the tech is flawed. The way we use it, the way it is to be used and consumed, the way its currently set-up...it aint working... Its up to the corporate world to make a moral decision on it NOT based on money and how to entice people to buy their vehicles and its up to the NTSB, as a government agency, to protect the citizens that they are supposed to protect as a good and honest government agency should do...

Consumers might as well do the bird box challenge...

But that is the thing. The Model 3 aint "low" build quality. We manage to over exaggerate that a little, non? All 3 Tesla vehicles get very very high crash ratings... I dont really care for the nuances of the Model S being downgraded by Consumers Reports because of... Despite all the political clout (not governmental but corporate politics surrounding Big Oil and GM and Ford and EV manufactures and batteries and the like) and all the monetary reasons behind all that clout regardless on what fence you are on, the REAL, TRUE facts is that Tesla cars are built to WORLD standards. And Tesla cars seem to be better than satisfactory in build quality in ANY WORLD standard... And Tesla cars seem to have high crash ratings in ANY world wide crash tests... So... No...I will NOT accept opinions that counter to what I just said... What I just said is not only my opinion, but its closer to reality of what is what.

I aint throwing rocks your way. I respect you and understand your wants and needs out of a vehicle. And yes! All Tesla interiors, for their price, have sub par interior quality. Hell, A Ford Fusion, a car about the same size as the Model 3, has a better quality interior at a much much much cheaper price for that matter! But in this case, in any Tesla vehicle case, the money is not on the quality of the interior, but on the technology that the Model 3 utilizes. Either in the battery tech and power train or the electronics. Those electronics are superbly assembled, excellently and tightly packaged at placed perfectly in the right areas of the vehicle and manufactured with less defects than any other OEM as of now. For a compact sport sedan, it even manages to be, at worst an equal sport sedan driver to an E30 BMW and at best, it betters it... Meaning, the Model 3 out-BMWs the current crop of BMW sport sedans... But like I said, I aint throwing rocks your way. I understand you. Im just defending the Model 3 against another certain individual that may or may not discuss the real honest to goodness truth about the Model 3. PS: On the interiors of Tesla vehicles. This reminds me of a Corvette discussion when people hatin' on Vettes ALWAYS go to the default, go to, flaw for the Vette. The interior. As with the Vette and with Tesla cars, one does not buy for the Italian leather. One buys the Vette and Tesla for the technology and the powertrain they get with either purchase.

That is a light snowfall. The snowbelt, Minnesota, Buffalo, Chicago, Montreal...I guess Denver too...that is peanuts. Although shoveling sucks, its child's play! Montreal is expected to get 30-40 (12-15 inches) centimeters tomorrow. Its gonnna start this afternoon and end sometime tomorrow night. It already hit Toronto and its coming towards the East. Schools are planning to close for tomorrow.

I too could respect that. And I could see why some people in some areas of the world could see it as a novelty car, but seeing as my next door neighbor having one and he being one of those folk that daily drives it for about 40 miles (about 60-65 kilometers)to get to work and he enjoys it, lives with it, does not have ANY issues with it, despite "cold weather" range loss and yuuuuge body gaps and #facts of faulty electronics despite real industry insiders saying that Tesla electronics are the best there is NOW on the market, despite driving a 1st generation Chevrolet Volt and NEVER having the engine turn on to power up the battery despite that 40 mile drive, and having his employer use the company's charging stations, (then was free, now maybe he has to pay a fee, but now he has a 310 mile range Model 3...) there are some in this world that do not see the Model 3 as a novelty car, but as a honest to goodness alternative to Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda, BMW, etc and are quite happy and ecstatic to own it and daily drive it. And despite this "new found scandal" and problem of range loss, when 1st generation Priuses and Volts and Nissan Leafs were roaming around with ONLY with a handful of range, somehow this range loss due to cold weather was NOT a factor but now that Bolts and Model Ss, and Model Ys and Model 3s all have 200-400 mile ranges, NOW it has become a problem. I guess, because having only a handful of electric miles was not a threat to ICE vehicles...for real. But NOW that EVs have REAL mileage, REAL THREATENING mileage, I guess NOW is the time to try to get a scare campaign out to try to limit the popularity of them... Novelty to some. Yes. I agree 100% But to others, like people in Montreal, the Model 3, as a PERSONAL vehicle, not as an UBER taxi service vehicle, but as a personal transportation pod, it aint a novelty. Its THE real deal. And, as enthusiasts on this board, the ONLY thing it lacks, is maybe a muscle car V8 or Ferrari V12 sound? (yet some of us who complain about the sound and lack of sound fury, drive pathetic 4cylinder CUVs? Or like me, pathetic muffled 300 horse V6s...when the Model 3 not only out accelerates me with ease, but also dances around a rink faster than I could ever do with the TL...because the Model 3 is THAT good in handling on rails track performance) We could invent other things about it to dislike, but that wouldnt be genuine now, is it?

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