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Well...Im mad!!! Im mad about all those things I mentioned in my post to you!!! Im mad at Justin Trudeau for not actually talking to Mary Barra or any GM CEO about this. Im mad at Justin Trudeau AND Doug Ford for just kissing each other on the cheek and agreeing with each other that nothing can be done instead making a BIG stink about it to General Motors AND Donald Trump. ESPECIALLY not making a BIG stink to Donald Trump. If his tyrades were only targeted at the right subjects... Because you just know, that GM closing 5 plants, 4 in the US, is just GM giving the middle finger to Donald Trump for Donald Trump giving several middle fingers to GM since he became POTUS... But who pays the price for all these middle fingers? 18 000 North American workers is who!!! Im mad at North American consumers for neglecting what made North America the envy of the world. Im mad at ourselves for allowing our politicians selling us off to corporate greed way back in the 1980s when we started this trend of overconsumption... But...with Hyundai...I can see that corporate greed on their end is the same as anywhere else that puts money in front of anything else... And we got ourselves to blame for that... We North Americans, we do overconsume. And corporations feed on our voracious appetite. Despite all these plant closures, and possibly more to come, we havent learned our lesson from the last economic crisis in 2008-2009... We continue to overconsume... What does this have to do with Hyundai? Well...everything!!! If we just keep what we got and we demand as consumers better products...and we vote with our pockets, not with our voracious appetite for junk and overconsumption, but with truly well built stuff when we buy, with cash, not credit, and we dont replace every little thing we own every other month...then and only then corporate greed might come to an end... Also, if we go in the streets and riot once in a while, like the French in Paris just did...maybe just maybe, corporate greedy CEOs, lobbyists and crooked politicians might actually listen to us... Did we riot in the streets when GM released the news of these plant closures? Did we riot in the streets when we heard that Hyundai or GM or VW or whatever corporate thief did something bad to our society whether it be ignition switches or the diesel scandal or whatnot? The French had enough with their governments tax hikes...Makron had no choice to retract...

She kinda looks like she could be a Dallas Cowboy cheerleader though... Tall, buxom blonde...

Im not surprised. GM has brought this upon themselves too... Starting with, what is good for GM is good for the country. GM became too big to fail. GM then became complacent and arrogant, much like some Canadian provincial and federal Premiers and certain American Presidents...and well, you get cutting corners on ignition switches and bailout fallouts and closing factories that really piss off people.

You just mad because GM is shutting down Oshawa... Be mad at GM for shutting down Oshawa, but do not confuse the two things here... Actually, be more mad at Unifor for facilitating GM's decision for Oshawa. Be mad at Ontario's premier's for not allowing Ontario to be more competitive for factories... Be mad at North Americans for choosing CUVs and SUVs instead of buying the Impala, Regal and Cadillac XTS... I think the Equinox was built at Oshawa, so there is that, but then again, be mad at Donald Trump and Justin Trudeau and the present political climate and be mad at Mexico for having its factory workers being paid slave wages and the US having trade deficits (not with Canada though but still...) and all that... Be mad at GM's decision to put all their eggs in their electric and autonomous basket and because Ontario and Unifor were NEVER kinda fair for GM and its Oshawa plant, this was a long time coming for Oshawa...

Yet Hyundai's leaders, after Toyota, VW, GM and the others, with their respective scandals, still did not learn from past history, and decided to screw the consumer anyway... I wouldnt be laughing at these people here... In fact, Id invite these people in here to laugh at you in failing to troll them successfully...

I beg to differ. The Escalade is not one of those wannabe nimble track handling SUVs like a Porsche Cayenne or Lamborghini Urus or BMW X6... The Escalade is the original (Lincoln Naivigator is truly the original) large land yacht SUV... Kinda like how 1960s Lincoln Continentals or 1970s Cadillac Fleetwoods used to be... That is why the Escalade sells... People want and love their big land yacht Cadillacs. The Bentley and Rolls Royce made their Bentayga and Cullinan in the Escalades image... Because Bentley and Rolls Royce never abandoned their floaty land yacht images...unlike Cadillac. But you see, the Bentayga has got a (as its top engine) a 6.0 liter and the Rolls Royce has a 6.75 liter under their hoods. Both V12s. But it dont matter. Both are 6.0 liters and above...and for a reason... Even Mercedes Benz with their GL class SUV has got a 5.5 liter as its biggest V8 offering in theirs. For Cadillac to go with a 4.2 liter in their Escalade would be a mistake in my eyes... The irony (and hypocrisy) of today's world is this: At a time when electrics are gaining status more and more in the market place, at a time when everybody has gone "save the planet" and view the internal combustion engine as the Devil, the world seems to not want to let go of V12s and V8s....especially in high displacements... The Challenger rides on a 20 year old platform, yet the world has gone bonkers over its 2.7 and 2.4 (Demon and Hellcat respectively) liter supercharger on top of a 6.2 liter V8 and continues to sell at a voracious rate... The Scatpack at 6.4 liters is also revered... Let us not forget the Jeep version of the Hellcat... Ferrari...Ferrari has dropped a 6.5 liter V12 in their latest GT sports car. UP from 6.3 liters... 6.5 liters...in a Ferrari... Remember this logo? Yes...it belongs on a GTO...not a Ferrari GTO, but a muscle car Pontiac GTO...in 1967... A 6.2 liter V8 with a 2.65 liter blower attached to it in the Escalade would be a very welcomed status symbol... A better status symbol than that: EV Escalade.

You would rather be a real and true Macedonian...Greece? Then I love you and I give you a pass... You would rather be a FYROM "Macedonian...then Ill have to ask you one thing...what did Dallas and the Cowboys do for such hatred and lunacy? America's Team? You just KNOW that they are!!!! ?

You just HAD to bring that up...? ?

Hates on grey interiors...Dallas Cowboys ? Im thinking, the Dallas Cowboys' colours are actually silver... Also hates on compact cars and subcompacts... Im thinking that the Dallas Cowboys are anything BUT compact and subcompact Im thinking, that maybe, you do like the Dallas Cowboys... 1. Sliver, not gray. 2. Grand, not puny and weak like a Chevy Sparx or the New York Giants... Common, admit it!!! Ill help you cheer them on

I will admit, the Continental with a 6 inches longer wheelbase looks good. This 6 inches longer wheel base should have been the Continental for sale when it went on sale a year or two ago... Suicide doors or not, Lincoln should have made THIS Lincoln Continental... That hood though where the hood meets up with the top of the grille. THAT has got to go... A more snug fitting like the concept should have been Lincoln's goal then...and now!!!

The time I took off from this place, I felt the same way... I still loved the Hellcat brothers and the Demon. The Mustang was a close second. Tesla got on my nerves... Went to Greece for vacation. Saw a few Euro cars. Fell in love with the Mercedes Sprinters. They are everywhere in Greece. Hotel/airport/small island transit/ shuttles for locals and tourists. Very versatile. It took a passenger van with different wheel bases and configurations to rekindle my love with the automobile. And then, my neighbour got his Tesla Model 3 delivered in the early fall. A white AWD performance model. I took a ride in it. (did not drive it) but WOW! In between seasons I saw a couple of 4.7liter V8 Maseratis. The sound these make... And the way it looks, the GrandTurismo, its just...well, lets just say that in my muscle car dream garage, there would be a Challenger (Hellcat or Scatpack), a 1970 Oldsmobile 442, a 1973 Trans Am SD455, and a brand new 2018/2019 Maserati GrandTurismo S/MC/MC Stradale. With the latest news on Ford canceling its sedans, GM almost doing the same thing, and with Cadillac, the CT6...its just laughable. But, I look at the Maserati, then I see my neighbour drive away to work in his awesome Tesla Model 3 AWD performance, than I go to youtube to see the Superfast 812 Ferrari, and I just sing to myself, what a wonderful world...

This should have had the the suicide doors... If I was Lincoln, I wouldnt be spending the engineering costs on a vehicle they are about to kill off, Id be spending the dough on this Aviator and Id demolish the competition with it... Oh...as a hater of CUVs and SUVs...I LOVE this one!!!

The 2018 Escalade's 6.2 liter is the truck engine of the 2014 release of the LT1 in the Corvette Stingray. Its also called a Gen V of Chevy small blocks Gen IV were the LS engines. Gen III were the LT engines again. No...the Gen V small block LT is NOT a Gen III LT small block. No...the Gen III LT small blocks have nothing in common with Chevrolet's original 1950s small block V8s... Yes...the Gen IVs are different from the Gen IIIs. Yes...the Gen Vs have some similarities to the LS based Gen IVs, but... All Gen V engines are aluminum blocks with aluminum cylinder heads and include features such as direct injection, piston cooling jets...something that the Gen IV LS engines do not have... The Gen Vs are...brand new and employ state of the art technology keeping them on par in technology and sophistication with exotic V8s from exotic V8 makers such as Ferrari... Mercedes V8s are good. AMG V8s are awesome. The Chevrolet Small Block V8...is legendary. You may not agree with this. But its OK. I, would love to see the new TT 4.2 liter in a new Cadillac product, in the Escalade though, I am more than happy to see a detuned LT5 under the hood. Why? Its a truck. Its the Escalade. 4.2 liter versus 6.2 liter. Twin turbo sure. Its good. 2.65 liter supercharger....think about that for a moment... Cadillac should always be about arrogance... Unless Cadillac puts 2 supersized turbos the size of 1 gallon paint, on the possible Escalade 4.2 liter to produce that 700 or so horsepower, I would prefer the 2.65 liter supercharger under the hood of my 'Slade. But that is just me. Trying to retain some American Muscle, Cadillac arrogance in my American automobiles...something that the dudes that run Cadillac should be thinking about as well...

Oh of course, there's no other explanation.

And to quote you on this...the experience on a Tesla blackhole/retail location could not be worse than a stealership one... And laughable how this movie scene may be, this type of stealership experience is still continuing in 2018 for realz...

I do not doubt that. Gasoline powered cars as it seems, have problems also. The Nasa space shuttles and rockets also had problems. German WW2 tanks. Problems. Airplanes of any era...had and continue to have problems. Boats and trains, diesel powered or gasoline or coal. Problems. Nuclear powered subs and aircraft carriers...yup, you guessed it...all have and continue to have problems... You know what...horses die sometimes...resulting in what we are calling it in this thread...problems. https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/caleche-horse-collapses-and-dies-in-old-montreal-1.4163205 It seems that everything that humans use to move us around, all seem to have...problems...

If it aint staged, the other explanation would be that this aint her car...and she does not know what a Tesla is and what kind of car it is...that she borrrowed it from somebody else. Tesla, electric vehicles, are specialty cars at this time... If she actually bought the car, she would actually want that car, she would actually go out of her way to actually buy an electric vehicle. Telsa cars are not exactly in the Toyota appliance realm of the automotive spectrum. And remember, no dealerships for a Tesla...that means that she would literally know where to buy it...not stumble across a stealership and get duped into buying something she knows nothing about buying something she does not need... She would have to order what type of battery she would want. What type of charger she wants to buy for her home. The reps over at Tesla would also tell her how to use her smartphone Tesla app and superscreen to found out where the Superchargers are at in her vicinity when she needs to charge up and ultimately, the Model S itself would warn her where to charge her vehicle via the Tesla superscreen... Therefore, if these people filming this episode of epic fail youtube vids, if these people want to fool us and sell us on the notion that a human being willfully sought out a Tesla store in a shopping center where everything about a Tesla store just smells of electricity, not gasoline then yeah...I do not believe it... Therefore fake. If not fake, she burrowed that Tesla from somebody, and yes, she might be clueless, but then again, if somebody does not know about cars, then somebody does not know about cars...Tesla or otherwise...

On the Tesla fail. Funny. But fake. Just another reality TV/youtube/facebook garbage entertainment meant for clicks and views for revenue streams and thumbs up posts...

I dont think the interior quality of these had any bearing of the success (or lack of success) of these. Seeing that Pontiac and Saturn were shutdown shortly after the Kappa twins were introduced to the world. I think the lack of success of the Kappa twins were in fact just a symbolic gesture of the lack of focus and attention their respective brands got from parent company General Motors. Saturn did not really need a roadster at this time. Saturn needed to get back to what made Saturn a success in the first place. And that was product that was not badge engineered from the GM umbrella. The whole purpose of Saturn was to be a different kind of car company. Pontiac, had lost its identity when they started ditching their engines and went for Chevrolet/GM corporate engines. And then the whole FWD badge engineered platforms they shared with virtually every other GM brands...and into the 1990s and the 2000s, with Saturn too... Pontiac at this time did not know if they wanted to be plastic cladded boy racer FWD appliances that appear to be sporty, or plastic cladded boy racer FWD soccer mom vehicles that appear to be sporty or hanging on to RWD...ditching RWD but then going back to RWD with 4 cylinder roadsters and muscle cars from Australia that have ZERO Pontiac DNA...(those muscle cars from Australia were awesome, but they were more or less GM corporate affairs than anything else...OK...Chevrolet DNA with a "put another shrimp on the barbie" accent... GM badge engineered the Kappa twins(triplets) and lost focus on what their respective brands actually needed. Twas Pontiac only that really needed the RWD roadster to spark excitement into the brand. Opel and Saturn did not need these. And in turn, the Kappa twins(triplets) were wrongfully marketed to their respective brands. And in turn, the other GM brands, including the recipients of the Kappa twins(triplets) were starved of funds and R&D for much needed better product planning... On the Fiat 124 roadster. Abarth or Lusso. Very Italian. Very Nicely done. The Kappa twins were good, but I think Fiat was wise to go to Mazda. GM tried to do it on their own, came up short. This Fiat on all trims (124, Lusso, Abarth) is a winner, and if Im not mistaken, has outlived the Kappa twins(triplets)...

Firstly, Secondly, To whom? To you of course. Sometime in the near future when all pistons and cylinders have gone the way of the

Why are we revising history? Its good to REVISIT history, not so good to REVISE it… The SSR was NOT a concept car that GM happened to produce for reals just because…to have a limited supply toy in their stable… The SSR was indeed a car produced to replace the toy they already had in their stable called the Camaro they just killed off… They did this car(truck) on the cheap, by using their GMT360 platform. You know…their midsized bread and butter SUV platform…Trailblazer, Envoy, Bravada and when Oldsmobile died, the Rainier and SAAB X7 something or other… In other words, GM wanted the SSR to be produced longer than the 3 years they actually did produce it for,,, GM did in fact shoot themselves in the foot with the thing, as the high cost of engineering that trick hardtop convertible roof made the bean counters force the production version cheap on the inside. And because the SSR was the Camaro replacement, not directly but indirectly, through the backdoor of Chevy performance…remember the SSR stood for Super Sport Roadster…SUPER SPORT…as in SS, as in Impala SS, Camaro SS, Chevelle SS, Lumina SS (middle east), Cobalt SS, as in Chevrolet SS a decade later… And the only reason why it looked retro was because retro was all the rage back then…as in PT Cruiser just before WW2 and right after WW2 car design/truck like retro looks. As in HHR as well…and I doi believe there was an HHR SS as well… But let us be reals on this, the SSR was indeed a real effort to fill the Camaro void…and if Chevy offered 700 horses in the SSR back then, I do not think the interior would matter much and we wouldnt have a Camaro today, but we would continue to have SSRs. 1500 horsepower SSRs in 2 door hardtop configurations, convertibles both of the soft and hard types, and 4 door AWD versions for soccer moms, Z-71 offroading versions, and quite possibly an electric version of it being engineered right now as we speak…And…Cadillac of course would have all those versions too. Hey…700 horsepower in 2003!!! And now lets talk about the Holden Monaro…aka Pontiac GTO. Like the SSR at Chevy, the Monaro was made into a Pontiac to replace the Firebird. The other F-Body. With the cost of reworking the gas tank and other minor yet costly things, and the cost of producing these cars in Australia and shipping them to the US, and by not even offering this car to be bought by Canadians…GM shot themselves in the foot by marketing BOTH F-Body replacements wrongly, offering a miscalculating the public’s thirst for horsepower by offering inadequate drivetrains especially when these new car offerings were to fill a performance void left by the outgoing F-Bodies, over engineering identities, and cheapening out the interior of what could have been a real cool concept car turned into a production car. The SSR was expensive as hell to buy. With an anemic 5.3 liter V8 trying to motivate a really really heavy car… The GTO’s V8 was not so bad, but Pontiac faithful wanted a GTO that actually looked like a GTO, not a Cavalier, and essentially what a Monaro really was, it was just a heavily re-worked 2 door Catera/Omega/middleeastern Lumina and Caprice and because the Trans Am was no longer, at least GM could have given the GTO some more muscle to ease the pain from all that…because the Firebird (and Pontiac) faithful actually were quite savvy and privy to those facts. I know I was. Its fair to say other Pontiac and Trans Am enthusiasts were also. All those millions, possibly billions to re-engineer the GMT360, to over engineer its convertible top, to re-engineer the Holden gas tank, to re-style a Pontiac front end for it, and back end that says ‘GTO’, to flip the steering wheel for US consumption, to ship it to the other side of the world, it may have been cheaper just to create a new F-Body platform… So yeah…let us not revise history, please! (I do not know what the sales figures were for both dead on arrival vehicles were at the end of their production when finally GM gave them their proper motorvation, but it does not matter, it was a case of too little too late by then anyway. The Pontiac Fiero falls into this same category…GM has a loooong history of this. Like DFELT has said…lost opportunities, wasted time and effort and most importantly, piss poor management, product planning, quality and marketing and eventually unmistakably, unavoidably shooting themselves in the foot with these 2 vehicles… I just want to point out, that I think the SSR has been one of the coolest cars to come out of GM the last 30 years. The GTO too. I totally would own a SSR. 5.3 liter or otherwise. I totally would own a GTO as well… Another thing, we are so into not wanting EVs to succeed, we make up all kinds of storylines to adhere to our reluctance to see that EVs are a thing and here to stay and ICE vehicles lifespan is shorter than we think… We invent all kinds of excuses yet we cannot see that the Tesla Model 3…car…outselling any other car of any kind in its price range…EV, PHEV or ICE, in a world of CUVs and SUVs… Despite all that production hell Musk was talking about, people stuck around with it. More orders continue to pile up for it. Despite the fact that the US has $h!ty EV infrastructure. Despite the fact that the US population prefers CUVs and SUVs, and despite that those Model 3 sales are exclusively in Canada and in the US. Europe and China, I believe, has not yet been included for the sale and delivery of said Model 3… The world is awaiting for the Model 3…To boot, the US and Canada are not the only markets whose populations prefer CUVs and SUVs. Around the globe, CUVs and SUVs are THE market… The Bolt aint selling in Model 3 high numbers, NOT because the Bolt is a Chevrolet and NOT a Tesla, but the Bolt is NOT the right sized and/or right kind of EV car or the right type of EV… Im not sure how pick-up truck drivers/owners view a Rivian pick-up truck, or how a Ford F-150/Ram/Silverado owner would react to an EV F-150/RAM/Silverado, but I sure as well DO know that an affordable RIGHT SIZED EV CUV/SUV that looks HALF AS GOOD as a Tesla Model S or Model 3 from ANY mainstream automaker, not only from Tesla, would sell. Sell a lot. The Model 3 deliveries PROVE price may NOT be a factor either…as all these Model 3 deliveries are of the higher end versions… The entry level Model 3 is STILL not available for purchase… When that happens, many MORE people will opt for the Model 3…government discounts be damned…

Do you need the ceramic brakes? You will be tracking it... But...once a year? Are ceramics worth it for that once a year track thing? Is suede seats worth the 22 000 difference to you? If either of those is yes...then buy new... But...if I were you, Id buy the used one...and keep that 22 000 dollar difference and put it towards the new CT6 V Sport. I know you want that Caddy... Shyte...the new Vette and the used one really have no visual difference. You have to look very closely to see. So..im my opinion...22 000 dollars is best put towards the CT6 V-Sport. Awseome is what I need to say next!!!! Im sending you some love your way!!!

Not necessarily focusing on you Balthy or on Paolino with my 1st world problem statement... Just a general statement that 1st word people like to complain about...in general. But as you and Paolino have stated in these posts, and how you even said: Yes...1st world problems. Manufactures in the USA have collected enough data over the last car buying century, have conducted many focus group meetings, that they have more or less stream lined the options available in their offerings... Pay up and shut up it shall be. And that means that the way these options are being offered is just to facilitate the money coming in for these companies...you know...profit. Profit is the driving force of a 1st world country. I understand what you want out of cars as I have a feeling we both want the same thing out of our cars regarding these safety features. I always buy the top of the line trim model, yet I hardly use the features that come with the car. I pay up and shut up...but that is how I want it anyway. In Paolino's case, either he pays up and shuts up with a higher trimmed Buick that he doesnt want, but living in the 1st world, he has options to buy somewhere else other than Buick. It is NOT frustrating because we, North Americans, are free and rich enough to buy almost whatever we want, whenever we want it. Look at his statement... He has another year to go to get another car. He KNOWS he will get another car. He just does NOT know what he wants yet. He is frustrated with a false sense of not getting what he wants. Yet what he wants is available somewhere no doubt... He WILL find it. He WILL acquire it. There is no doubt that he will find it and acquire it. Next year. Its a guarantee. In your case. You want the option to de-option. But your fellow American citizens want their cars to do their laundry for them if it was possible. Your fellow Americans are now even tired to wait in a drive-thru window to get their coffee that they would want their car to place an order through their car's internet connection and their restaurant of choice and they want their coffee to be ready as soon as they arrive... And these features are a must today... So...maybe not a 1st world complaint you have Balthy, but your complaint resides with the North American market DEMANDING these 1st world options to be available at ANY price point. So...you and I have no other choice but to pay up and shut up as WE are in the minority... So yeah...1st world problems where we have these options at our feet, we either complain because we dont want them, or we complain because we want them offered a certain way... Yet in other parts of the world... OK...less grim... That would be asylum seekers in a country that is thought to be paradise... Yes..that would be Greece... And lets look at Greeks in Greece. Forget that...lets look at Detroit Michigan... So yeah...1st world problems complaining about being frustrated at the lack of features on a Buick... Like I said. Buick offers no features you like. Do not buy Buick. Buy something else. In America, we still have plenty of choices to choose from. This aint an angry rant. Just a defensive post defending my 1st world statement.

1st world problems are nice to have. Buick does NOT offer you what you want in a car. Dont buy Buick. Buy something that offers you what you want at the price you want it for.

Problem is... You never actually offer ANY kind of rebuttal... You make fun, you chastise, you complain about anything remotely political that goes AGAINST your political spectrum. You revert to sarcasm with stuff like kevlar wheels like the post I quoted you on... But you never ever offer ANY kind of rebuttal. On the off chance that you do...on a rare occasion...an occasion so rare, it could be called a miracle by bible belt Christians....its often short sighted. Its often full of half-truths and inaccuracies.... And when somebody actually tries to enlighten you...tries to show you that there is a different rerality than yours stuck in Lancaster Pennsylvania...you downvote and the whole process of you whining and/or making fun continues... I understand fully of one's surroundings could influence one's opinions... HELLO...I COME FROM MONTREAL!!!