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My understanding is that with this being a limited production run signed by Burt Reynolds that they probably already have all the gen 5 cameros that will be built and this is why it is not on the 6th gen. Also...remember, this is not General Motors... This is Trans Am Depot....which I gather just got the green light and license from General Motors to use the name Trans Am, because before, they were not ery vocal in calling them Trans Ams.... So....Trans Am Depot probably has not bought Alpha Camaros...and probably has NOT molded new Trans Am stuff to fit the smaller Alpha Camaro.... It takes time and more money to do this....but the molding for the Zeta Camaro has been made 4-5 years ago.... They also have moldings for GTO look-a-likes...all for the....Zeta Camaro.... Will Trans Am Depot actually invest in new moldings for the Alpha Camaro is the question rather than the disbelief...

Yeah...SMK...I too see the previous Mazda 3 from the top side silhouette. I also see Tesla's own Model X in that silhouette. I need time to get used to that face without a grill. But one could personalize that area very easily....its an empty canvas space with lots of free real estate that one could use his imagination and just....personalize... Besides...that is not the final product...maybe Tesla will put some sort of signature styling thing on it...like how the Model X is like rather than the Model S. I....want to see the real final product for me to announce like or dislike... I HATE the Model X's silhouette, but the Model 3 is pleasant enough. I may tire really quickly of the sagging ass/crouching dog taking a pee stance of the rear end...but then again, many cars use that styling today....so I may eventually end up liking it due to the fact that many are doing that style... Im just baffled because it looks like Tesla has successfully copied Apple's playbook of fanatical sales... And THIS is why I think Tesla is here to stay for the long haul. Unless of course they fumble the ball.... I see parallels with Musk to Steve Jobs.... Many disliked Jobs also...within the company even....and he was even "fired" from Apple...only to come back a start a new revolution called the iPod original and iPhone...and the next gen iPod and iPad.... Nothing that Apple did with Jobs was a failure in the market place... Fad you say? Well, from having no experience in cell phones...it did not take long for Job's Apple to be the industry leader in selling smart phones.... Hate Musk and think he is a detriment to Tesla.... Tesla has got it going on right now and GM better be afraid....because I dont thing the Bolt will be much of a threat to the Model 3.... These pre-orders are a frenzy....we have seen this before.....I mentioned the iPhone..... Nokia is no longer what it used to be... Blackberry is but a spot... The Fremont plant.... The next step for the nay sayers,I bet you, is gonna question how will Tesla keep up with these orders? Because now we see that Tesla is the real deal.... Let us not forget that the Fremont plant is the former NUMMI plant...I think it has enough capacity to build these... Im happy with this frenzy... Yes...yes...Apple fanatics can be crazy...and I see the same with Tesla fanatics.... But really, is that any different from Mustang guys? Or Camaro guys? Or Vette guys? Or even BMW M3 guys? It takes fanaticism to make for a more enjoyable world to live in.

I do agree with this here.....don't go crazy man..... That said, I've grown quite tired of the system myself, as it tends to bring the children out of people. I've always loved a good debate, regardless of how in-left-field it was. Some stuff like that here kinda drove me a away for a a little while back..... That is the advice ya'll give... yet...you yourself said that stuff like that drove you away for a bit.. After reading Hyper's response back to me regarding that bad idea post...I as far as retreated my thought process on my "crazy idea".... And...more crazy ideas have come up in that thread.... In other words, I sparked up a conversation.... However, no additional down votes were made to any body else...other than to myself.... And the thing is. I could play devil's advocate and still defend my "crazy idea"...yet I dont feel like it because some of us would rather be like babies and just down vote rather than have a conversation.... Hyper had a conversation with me...yet people I have a sneaky suspicion that down voted me....are telling me to relax...chill out... You think....that this type of behavior....to down vote somebody...without discussion....will spark interest from the person that got down voted to continue posting in that thread? You think....that this type of behavior....to down vote somebody...without discussion....will spark interest from the person that got down voted to continue posting at all? You know...I say lots of crazy things...to spark conversation....and all Im gonna get is a down vote...you think that makes me want to continue to speak in here? You think that promotes interest in me to contribute? Let that sink in for a awhile...then remember that you also took a vacation from in here from this....and then come and tell me to relax when alls Im doing is voicing a concern.....

PS: THIS IS WHERE I DESERVE A DOWN VOTE.... NO EXPLANATION OR DISCUSSION NEEDED!!!! Its an epic phoquiking fail is what it is....LOL!!!!

It is? I got fooled then. Sorry. I was told by one of my employees that that pic was the Model 3. I then looked at my partner's Model S and saw it was different and so I went with it.. I was looking at the fogs...they are different???!!! Upon further inspection....I will apologize for the idiocy I just did...

Fusion is black. Acura TL is charcoal. The Fusion's dent is at the right rear quarter panel where the sheetmetal starts to dimple to bulge out to form the rear wheel well. Its camouflaged well. The Acura's dent is exactly in the middle of the back end. The back end forms a peak between the license plate and the trunk. And exactly in the middle of that peak is a deep enough dimple. Its pretty high so I dont know who or what the phoque bumped me, but the dimple looks like its part of the car's design..LOL!!!

PSS: Im a part of this website for about a year now...whether you or anybody else likes it or not... Maybe I like to give my opinion on how to improve upon it...even if it means rustling the Old Boys Clubs' feathers...changing up the status quo just a tad... EDIT: This post was made before I read what you just wrote...but it still stands... Maybe Id have it toned down just a tad, but Ill keep it as is...

Ill have a good evening...yet you havent answered the question.... Avoiding it like the plague... INTERESTING.... PS: This is NOT about how well it works on other web sites....

I dont know....I dont do other car sites... I did MT.... I now do C&G.... Over at MT....even when MT was trolly...people actually discussed things... No voting system.....and the people that wanted to discuss, over came the trolls.... When MT came to a rolling halt, is when they stopped banning the REAL trolls and let them run free while banning for life...yeah no joke....for life...the guys that actually discussed but were also vocal AGAINST the trolls and the corrupt mods that let the REAL trolls run scott free.... I aint reading to much into it... Why? This thread is 6 years old...started by somebody else waaaaaaay before I got my ass in here....discussing the very thing that IRKS me 6 years later!!!! This comment is proof that there is a problem...and its a CURRENT comment Just by brushing off MY comment by calling it melodramatic...and by ADMITTING that DOWN VOTING certain posters constantly and consistently out of principle just proves my point..... Yeah...I did THAT exact same thing to Wings.... Except I was also VOCAL on my displeasure of him... BEFORE he even joined even....and HE even down voted THAT comment I made BEFORE he joined that I thought he was a troll BEFORE I started down voting him.....yet we all found out how genuine he was.... Like now...Im VOCAL about this down voting thing...and it aint the first time either.... Just like some other posters 6 years ago... The irony....these guys voiced their opinions and THEIR opinions got DOWN VOTED.... Im all for the down votes.... But its a pisser when I introduced a crazy idea...I even labeled it as such.... I got a down vote....WITHOUT a BLOODY reason... YOU, Mr Cubical....also made a crazy notion just now...about this down voting thing... Should I just down vote you and forget this back and forth conversation? Because that is my issue... I dont like the fact that you hold this particular opinion... It does deserve a down vote....in my eyes it deserves a down vote.... I shall down vote you then...and then Ill just erase my posts so you have NO CLUE as to why and who down voted you.... But yet...its your opinion and observation...not a hatred remark just for the sake of hating and you are not trolling... You think that its better just to down vote in this situation rather than have this discussion with me?

Sorry dude.... This is where you and I disagree.... It aint the melodrama about the down vote itself..... This is a web site...for discussions... Even in 2010...well before I joined, the conclusion was made that C&G was about discussions... What IRKS me, is that NO DISCUSSIONS are made....just a down vote... I made a comment...a bad idea of a comment, and the Old Boys Club, I presume......down voted me....yet...the disussion in that thread....continues on.....with plenty of bad ideas being thrown...with a nary of a down vote in sight.......because Old Boys Club are doing the discussions.... Mr. Cubical.... We newbies.....the ones that have remained....the ones that are actually trying to make things work in here....are doing our darnedest to entertain, to inform, to please you Old Boys Club.... We....are also a part of you guys nearing a year...... Speaking for myself, for my behalf.... I dont think Im a bad apple.... OK....maybe I am.... TALK to me.... tell me what it is you dislike about me...DISCUSS.... Believe me, I could take it.... But....be an adult... DISCUSS... How old are we? Im assuming most of us are over 25 years old. The majority of us in our 30s.... Im 43... Do we really need to hide between a down vote to show displeasure of an opinion based discussion? CMON????!!!! You see....I dont think Im that bad of of guy to begin with.... Out of principle? This is what you want your site to be? Just a bunch of down votes and nothing else? How does THAT advance discussions? And it seems to me that you frown upon newbies... I just read this thread quickly...by fluke I came to it.... I did not read the whole thing....just those quotes I did. It seems to me for 6 years, this has been going on....I could be wrong, I did not read the thread completely.... And you want Drew to take the down vote limit off? Cool....I down with that...but down voting people just because you may not like them is not very mature..... And the irony is....I may sound like a whiny shyte...being all immature and stuff about this...being melodramatic....if you analyse what it is Im saying and what is going on.....I aint being very childish at all....on the contrary....but by people down voting the way they do...without any discussions...THAT is very childish... The crap I pulled with Wings with this....its beause Wings...well...we all know about Wings....again...I dont think Im bad like him...but maybe you folk think Im also like him... You actually believe that its healthy for a poster to start an idea, no matter how bad it may be...but it being a GENUINE idea non-the-less, you feel that down voting it just because you dont like the idea without further discussion is a healthy way to approach a web site that is supposed to be about discussion shyte???!!!! Cool.... Dont expect too much involvement then from newbies if that is how you feel about the voting... Its disappointing to start a conversation even if its out in left field and the only thing you receive is a down vote... But then again...maybe some of you feel that I need to go.... I could take a hint.... Just be a man and tell me....trust me....I could take....

Hey...you are unique. I guess that is a good thing.

My wife washed both of ours cars a couple of days ago. A fast wash. Mild weather....take the salt off type of wash. To my dismay, both cars now have small dents...you know...parking lot dings. This past winter, my cars did not survive being ding free... Luckily, none of the dents are visible. You have to know where to look to see them.

Im doing all golden age muscle car era for this one. EXACTLY in these colours. My daily driver 1969 Mercury Cougar Eliminator 428 CJ My family car for long trips and such... 440-6 pack 1969 Dodge Polara cop car. My toys... 1969 Oldsmobile Hurst/Olds Cutlass or 1970 Olds 442 Either or. Makes no difference to me. Both have practically the same 455 CI V8. Sure there are some differences....big deal.... 1973 Pontiac Trans Am. 455 SD And...a 1971 Plymouth 'Cuda 440-6 pack. I prefer the 440-6 pack over the 426 HEMI....why? I dunno. I just do.

Yeah...I guess I do too... PS...6 years later and a newbie like myself sees the same problems... I just read these very quickly and HOT DAMN!!!! Same concerns I have... Mr. DFELT and I have said the same thing....about this down voting thing. I said it one and Ill say it again... It sucks to get a down vote and not get a reason for it.... Besides the blatant trolling and hatred crap...if a decent discussion could be had....no matter how bad the idea...why the down vote? DISCUSS like ADULTS..... Its a HUUUUGE pet peeve of mine that... No, not for reputation voting stuff, but for the lack of discussion... MY POST that garnered a down vote at the time which made me whine about it that garnered me more downvotes....like for these dudes back in 2010...they raised some concerns and got themselves down votes as well...speaketh the truth....get down voted... Its like an Old Boys Club in here sometimes.... I like shaking it up a bit....and I dont mind downvotes....I dont care for them that much....its the lack of maturity and the lack of discussion that gets my goat.... Down Vote...STATE your reasons why if post does not tickle your fancy and post seems to be a legit one, and not a trolly one, even though the message is kinda stupid....THAT is what DISCUSSION FORUMS are all about... Well, FOG, the discussions in 2016 at C&G are better I guess....the down voting that some still so, even though we are now limited to one....gets childish....because the maturity level has not progressed....now, they down vote legit posts and do away with discussions all together....I guess in fear that they will get exposed in their own childishness... Down vote away...at will....

Funny stuff! I hate the Enzo! Ugly car. Count me in for the A vent and a door camp as well. But could I choose the Reventon instead?

OOOPS....that would be the Oldsmobile Alero concept. Striking car the Model 3 is...reminds me a lot of that Alero concept. Good luck Tesla!

They did indeed do a fantastic job. They keep on improving the aesthetics of it. I could hope for a Trans Am on the Alpha Camaro though. THAT would be moar awesome.

Just quoting MR. DFELT...because he said it eloquently. YA'LL can downvote away...like Hyper said...I should let it slide my back...and I will... Yet...its YOU folk that down vote that are bothered and care the most for the reputation.... Because....ALL my statements are NOT trolly, nor full of hate... TRUTH hits you folk...but hide between a computer screen and a voting system... STATE the reasons why!!!! I have....And I CONTINUE to VOICE my displeasure.... WHAT? You gonna down vote this too??? Go ahead....downvote...it just sees like cowardice to me though.... VOICE your displeasure.....COME ON!!!! I DARE YOU!!!! NAH....its easy to behave like children....wah wah wah...I dont like what he said....Ill down vote him...wah wah wah... PATHETIC!!!!

Although I dont know you on a personal level....DUH, we talk on the internet with no other human contact other than letters and words on a computer screen... Im quite happy for you that you were probably only joking, but maybe some truth to it though, that you are keeping the truck. I could sense the passion you have, so Im eager to see this project move forward.

Yeah...I like this way of thinking. I must admit, I have to learn this lesson. Its not the down vote that bothers me, its the lack of discussion that goes with it...but yeah, I must learn to not give a shyte...and just continue to have fun, reciprocate the fun, and learn...like the rest of your post... Yup...Im 43...like I said, it aint about the popularity thing of it...but like you said...I SHOULD learn to SUCK IT UP!!!! Ill get there eventually. The rest of your post is spot on...... And yeah, about Oshawa...Ill quote it down below since THIS is how unions should be doing business in 2016 with their partnered corporations: Thanx again Hyper.... Until we cross heads again...

My favorite classic muscle car. But it aint gonna be a 1969 442. I prefer the 1969 Hurst/Olds 455 over the regular 442. Ill do a 1966 Olds 442 400 CI V8. My favorite modern muscle car. Dodge Challenger Hellcat. 6.2 liter supercharged V8. 2009 Mercedes Benz E63 AMG On the badge it says 6.3 liter but in reality its a 6.2 liter or something like that, supercharged V8. Another 6.2 liter supercharged V8. Heart by Chevrolet. Body and bones by Cadillac. This is where it gets muddy. A choice between 2 convertible Ponchos. Both 400 CI Either a 1967 Pontiac GTO. or a 1968 Pontiac Firebird convertible.

I did not mark you down but I have a good idea why they did. It was a really bad idea. The Zeta is old heavy and done. No need to bring it back as we have much better and efficient platforms that available right now. Chrysler is making the old LX as Sergio is screwing them and not investing as he should have been. They are to the point now that when they do a comparison with the Camaro and Mustang the magazines pass over their product. To get attention they had to resort to the Hellcat that has a big number but no way to use all the power other than to move mass. Modest profits. Well modest is how you go chapter 11 as they should be doing better than modest. I feel for the staff at Chrysler as they are being starved out when cars like the Alpha are getting the money they should be getting from the Jeep profits. The Zeta has had a long and good service for GM and it is time to move on. Note my inlaws bought a 300 at the price of a Malibu. Not much meat on those old bones at the price. It is really sad as you should be selling them for closer to $50K vs 30K. That is a real troubling sign. Thanx for the answer Hyper. And...because I read your posts often, I knew exactly where the LX cars and Sergio and the Zeta platform fit in in 2016 before I made that post. You always keep me informed. But...I did say crazy idea, bad idea or not....it was meant all in good fun. With a touch of fantasy...my fantasy... Why? The Oshawa plant I think is being closed down....thousands of Canadian jobs are gonna be lost.... I did not mention this, nor did I elude to it...because its a fait accompli... Now...my biggest pet peeve, is this down voting without rebuttal, because there is no discussion being made....so... We both are having this discussion and you are finding out why I made this bad idea, yet you are NOT the one to down vote me... I would have NOT lost my marbles had this person just typed what you did....but at least I would know why and he would know why... Technically, its still a mystery to me... (So...my post being more of a fantasy thing rather than a serious thing...does it still deserve a down vote? I mean, it wasnt a trolly remark, nor a hate remark...bad idea or not...it was not meant to be taken seriously...hence the warning in the very beginning...crazy idea) I at least got your point of view....which we chearsandgear folk all know where you stand on the LX cars as you keep on STRESSING the problems with the LX cars...and now Ill agree with your take on the modest profits opinion as well.... And now you folk understand why this "bad idea fantasy" post was made.... Yet...the down voter is still at large and we are all in the dark as to why he/she would do such a thing with out a decent rebuttal. You see, I cant judge to rebuttal so I could repay the favour back .... I up voted you Hyper, for having the decency and the cohones to actually have a discussion...and...its not as if we havent had any love/hate discussions in the past... You took a chance on this response not knowing my reaction back to you...

I dont know how well the Opel Adam sells in Europe, but even for the Adam in Europe, its a car that came to the scene too late, let alone for Buick to have profited from the micro car frenzy in North America... The Opel Adam as a Buick should have hit our shores a year or two BEFORE it actually made its first appearance in Europe as an Opel Adam... At the very least...the same year it launched in Europe. In 2016/2017... That ship has sailed. The train left the station. The little bird has flown away. Buick needs to concentrate on the up and coming fad, not the one that has just became a cliché. The Encore...THAT is where its at... Great call...PERFECT car, PERFECT timing... THAT is how one leads the fads....by creating them, not chasing after yesterday's dreams but by creating tomorrows'..

To the poster who gave me a thumbs down on my post... Which idea did you disagree with? The fact that I set the tone from the get go that it was a crazy idea? The fact that I mention that the Camaro was built in Oshawa? (because it was) The crazy notion that I questioned that a Zeta Chevy SS could be built in a Zeta Camaro Oshawa plant? The crazy notion that the Zeta platform need not go away? The fact that the Mopar LX platform is indeed a decade plus a year or two...because the Mopar LX platform is not exactly a direct M-B platform which is older that a decade actually? The fact that FCA is indeed still selling boatloads of the RWD LX cars? The fact that FCA is indeed making healthy profits from the sales of the LX cars? That it may not be a bad thing for GM to do the same thing, since the Zeta platform is still a very capable platform? Sure we all know GM told us the Zeta platform is going away, hence why I started the bloody post with...CRAZY IDEA... All of the above? At least tell me why you down voted.... News Flash though...5 out of the 8 points I said in that post are real truths... The other 3 are just fun CRAZY ideas... OK....maybe you did not appreciate them...Id like to know why? Maybe you could be less timid and you could express your thoughts as I have... Unlike you, I probably wont down vote you, no matter how crazy your fun, off the wall remarks may be.... Unless of course you are such a tight ass that light hearted conversations like I do are not your style...because in that case...Ill probably will down vote you as I hate stick-up-the-ass people...

Well..crazy idea. The Oshawa plant that used to build the Zeta Camaro...could now be used to build the Chevrolet SS? The Zeta platform need not go away... If FCA is willing to sell a decade old LX platform...and still sell tons of them and make modest profits with it...GM could use a decade old platform too and sell some of them, and make a small profit as well...