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If not the El Dorado, then the El Miraj. For presumably for you and him and most definitely me. But, there has been many missteps in the product portfolio the last decade. And yes, we shall go back a decade. We have to. Maybe a M-B CLS is not selling like Camrys, but its a product that gives recognition to the brand. Maybe a M-B CLA is cheap and crappy in Cimarron proportions, but it gives M-B the volume sales to pad the pockets. Maybe a GLK was ugly as sin, and cheap in Cimarron proportions but it paved the way for the GLC. and I could go on....but Ill stick to these 3, as these are all new models fro M-B and the oldest is just a tad older than a decade. The other two are barely 8 years old....and all 3 are all household names.... In a decade's time, could we actually think of M-B WITHOUT a CLS, GLC and CLA? Now...we will do Cadillac What new awe-inspiring product has Cadillac brought out the last decade that blew people's minds like the CLS to draw attention to the brand? What new entry level bullshyte car has Cadillac brought out the last decade to pad the coffers like the CLA has done? What new CUV has Cadillac got....OK....the SRX which has become the XT5...... But... CTS coupe....FAILURE ELR....FAILURE XLR.....FAILURE AWESOME CONCEPTS THAT WOULD HAVE TURNED THE SHIP AROUND.... CIEL EL MIRAJ Cadillac V16.... Sure....lack of money that GM did not have hence the bankruptcy.... But...please EL K.... Dont say that there hasnt been any missteps. The ELR was money thrown down the loo. The CTS coupe should have had a successor... It was bold, ugly, but bold. Cadillac should have continued maybe with a 4 door coupe CTS on this new CTS platform.... Take another bloody chance! PDL feels like there are many that are HUNGRY for a "REAL" Cadillac... I feel the same way.... The CT6....restrained.... maybe for good reasons....but its a big Cadillac car. Big Cadillac cars could never "take it too far".... In fact, that is what big Cadillacs SHOULD be doing....taking it too far! The ELR and the CTS coupe are small cars....

Me too Drew. Im sorry. That was trolling on my part. Trolling the anti-Continental sentiment.... The only thing I agree with PDL is the stupidity of alphanumerics. But like Balthy said in the Cadillac thread....we should give the average consumer some credit. Sorry to derail once again, I felt I needed to respond to this. To accept responsibility for derailing. To man-up. Back to the Continental.

The only thing that I ended up doing is washing my wife's car. No waxing... Yeah, thanx Balthy...and MR DFELT....there is no shame in any kind of car crazy endeavor. I could say: "I wish I could be more like you, Balthy, and do some manual work on cars as a hobby" But that would be a misleading statement, as nothing is stopping me from doing what you are doing.... Space. Space and weather. Those would be my restraints. I dont have the garage and the weather does not collaborate with this hobby. There are more colder months than there are warm ones for me to justify the insanity you indulge yourself in. Maybe one day, when I amass enough cash to make a break from this nice, but cold home I call Quebec, Canada.

Well...at least the Continental has got some name recognition. Unlike the Cadillac CT whatever # it has.... http://www.autoextremist.com/ http://www.autoextremist.com/on-the-table1/?currentPage=2 Hey....dont shoot the messenger, Im only saying what others are thinking!

Yet....there are people out there who are hungry for Cadillac to be Cadillac. Peter De Lorenzo has targeted his latest rant at Cadillac. He touches up on certain topics we discussed.... This is a paragraph or two from his latest rant: http://www.autoextremist.com/ The bold part was of my concern last week... The dealership question. A stand alone dealership is most definitely a must. And it has to be a luxurious one where the sales staff are real PROFESSIONALS and NOT like used car guys... The product portfolio should be the PRIMARY focus though. And in my eyes, ATS and sub-ATS vehicles should NOT be the focus either... Yes, some volume cars are needed...my thought process still remains that JDN needs to push cars that people ASSOCIATE Cadillac with....with REAL names.... Peter De Lorenzo brings up another point....name recognition...... Who the phoque knows what a CT6 is? Who the phoque will care actually? But....give the people a Ciel and an El Miraj (with those names!), and problems of perception might actually go away... Like Peter De Lorenzo says...the only Cadillac car that is a GRAND SLAM is neither a small, nimble Euro fighting machine nor has an Alphanumeric name.... Food for thought, And it happens to be the same message I keep pluggin' since I first posted this thread... Are you still reading this, Casa? Because I havent changed my stance and low and behold, Ive got a dedicated blow hard that has a weekly blog, who actually shares some of my thought processes... PS: my clown suit has been washed and pressed and ready for you to wear...

Tomorrow I might wax one of my cars... Its been chilly lately so Im stalling... I just felt like sharing this with you. I feel shame sometimes that you actually get your hands dirty with car stuff while the most dirty my hands get doing car guy stuff is smelling like gasoline when I fill 'er up... OH....I do check my oil from time to time and I do top off the windshield washer fluid.....so there is that. Not exactly hard core stuff like you, but...if I do end up waxing a car, Ill probably feel less shame. Im always tuning in here for the updates! Great Job!

I see that Fisker has got a new attituuuuuude! Using BMW powertrains and charging systems and being built in California.... Its a shame about the BMW part....but she is still a stunner! Id order two of these.... One from Bob Lutz.... And the other, Id try and Frankenstein the upcoming Tesla Model S P100D powertrain in it...or...I see that a Model X is closer to the Karma's wheelbase....

Congratulations, Brother!! Glad to know it wasn't some personal/family illness/issue.. Must just be the pessimist in me thinking if somebody is missing it is because of a problem not a promotion.. Oh and other benefits, 3 - 4 days a week work from home will be nice, as will the shift from 80% - 90% travel to 10% travel.... My last scheduled trip ends on June 4th and then I get to work in my PJs most days. That totally rocks! I dont think Id ever be able to get any job done if I was working from home. Its awesome that Drew gets to do that....its just that Im the type of guy that NEEDS to LEAVE the house to go to work. If I stay home, in PJs, then its a day off....its a clean and wax the car day, its stay home and watch Star Wars or Good Fellas or The Terminator for the millionth time or just post at Cheers and Gears the whole day...its called laziness. However, I put on my restaurant uniform on, I leave the house, I get to the store, and Im a work-a-holic....unless a bunch of car guys walk-in with the whatever prized toy they arrive in and I chit chat the day/night away...

Drew....how the hell have you been??!!!! Fine I see!!!! GREAT NEWS about your new position and pay!

This one's for you, olds! We posted our version of Light My Fire today. https://www.reverbnation.com/kingsoftherevolution1/song/25803216-light-my-fire-the-doors Dude....that is just as good as it gets!!!! Almost like the original. You guys ROCK! Got the vibe down PERFECTLY! I like! Ill be honest though, I did not listen to Remedy. Its because I aint familiar with the Black Crowes.

Buick Verano Buick Encore and now the Buick Envision.... Based on the last two made for Chinese market and sold here in North America a year later were actually big hits for Buick. Yeah that's right! The Verano in China called the Excelle was engineered for China....and so was the Opel Mokka/Buick Encore. (the Encore was also made for Europe in mind....but it is built in 2 Asian countries and in 1 European one...) I think this latest Buick product will follow in the footsteps of the cars I just mentioned...which is sales success. Ive got past history on my side....and that is what Im basing my opinion on...

I upvoted you on that....because its actually closer to the truth than some of us want to admit...

I dont know where these are...and these are Zeta Camaros...true..... And....maybe the showroom floor aint shared...because even in Canada...Cadillac is alone on one side while GMC, Buick and Chevrolet is on the other side, this EXTERIOR scene is all too common even in 2016.. The dealership near my home has the Cadillac area completely to the left in the middle is Mr. Goodwrench and to the right is Chevy, Buick and GMC. And the front of the parking lot is where the inventory is located, not the back of the dealership.... OK....remember I said there was a clearance sale of the ATS? OK...there were 3 ATS cars in front of the Cadillac area...there was 1 Impala and 1 new Volt with a Silverado in front of the Chevy area....but like in the photos above...there was 1 new Camaro SS and 1 Malibu Premium IN FRONT of the ATS in the client parking spot...yes...they were for sale...not demos....inventory for sale! Note....that photo is an older one....a couple of years ago when Cadillac did share that space with Buick and GMC.... Today though, Cadillac is alone...Buick and GMC are in the Chevy side of the dealership....but the signage remains the same... But...it dont matter when the dealership general manager sticks Chevy cars OUTSIDE the building in the Cadillac area....

I LOVE those!!!! Those for me would be....mid 80s... Early 1980s: Like its, totally yuk.

LOL!!! I like this model T-Bird. Better than any other T-Bird from the 1970s and early 1980s in my opinion. OK...Ill admit...this last T-Bird is no Adonis, but a million times better than the Disco Queen T-Birds.

Red headed Italian girl...and not existing? I show you 2.... One is a curvy model....of 1950/1960s vintage... Sex Symbol. OK...not a real redhead.... This model of 1980s vintage was a real redhead and a sex symbol as well... The name says it all.... You gotta work with me here, bro....

And hence my thought process with an ATS does not make me wanna belt out loud Sliiiiiiiiick Black Caaaaaadillac with solid gold hubcaps....making me feel like a king, and hence why I made this thread to see who else may have this doubt about Cadillac...if not the whole brand, at least for just that one model, the ATS. It is quite sad, for a Cadillac enthusiast, to see an equivalent Mercedes Benz product....at least in price if not in quality, to outsell the ATS... It is also quite sad to see a similar priced Chevrolet on the same lot as said Cadillac product. It wouldnt be so bad had Cadillac been stand alone....but to share the same dealership and to have a lesser brand within the same family compete with you on price defeats the purpose of being top tier 1 luxury. The Buick dilemma is less with the Envision and XT5, because the price of entry is higher and Buick is premium as opposed to Chevy being....gulp....MAINSTREAM and CHEAP....when a Sonic costs $12 000 CDN or so....to have a Chevrolet Malibu Premium touch ATS price tag....to have a Chevrolet alpha platformed brother to cost AS MUCH as the ATS.... Like I said...Cadillac sells the ATS alone in its OWN dealership, not so bad....but to have Chevrolet there.... The ATS besides a Malibu....and the ATS just looks like yet another ho-hum compact car.... RWD? Big PHOQUING deal!!!!! The CLA from M-B proves it to the ATS that RWD is NO BIG DEAL!!! Besides....although I have a hard time accepting the Camaro....the Camaro is a stunner.... The Camaro V8 is actually a BETTER machine than the ATS no matter what engine resides in the ATS....and the kicker, other than the ATS-V TTV6, the Camaro enjoys the SAME engines...BUT....between "V" and "SS", the "SS" has the more prestigious engine.... Proof? The bigger brother CTS-V has got it under its hood.... And the Camaro will gain better versions too.... Different target market you say? I say PHOOEY!!!! Cadillac, JDN better figure out what direction they need to steer Cadillac in, and yes he is only starting....but as of 2016.....I aint singing SLIIIIIIICK BLACK CAAAAAAADILLAC..... I more in tune to singing.... And Lord knows I DONT WANT TO DO THAT!!!!!

I could read the headlines now.... Im gonna kiss my wife like this if any one of the G3 goes under! Yup...Ill travel to Times Square, NYC, with a sailor's uniform and plant a big wet one on her in this exact same way! We will fight them on the beaches.... I smell sweet victory with this...if true...maybe this is what Cadillac and Lincoln need to get some of that trust back from some of the American public.

Well....I dont really care how big one is over the other.... It DOES make sense though.... Buick needs to carve out its own niche....and destiny. Cadillac too. Both brands need to be in this segment. The thing is...both vehicles are very very different in style and in nature... So...both COULD co-exist without the internal competition effect...

You do NOT agree. Tiny crossovers is NOT where Cadillac should be going, at the very least because and Cadillac isn't AND because everyone wants them to stop saying See what you did there?? VERY CLEVER, BALTHY. I like very much what YOU did there. +1

That buck naked guy guest....Im guessing is Wings.... He did the same thing over at MT....with those types of names...

Your attempts to rile me up are laughable. The ATS essentially replace the CTS in the Cadillac line and only the name goes back to what the second gen CTS was. The CTS currently is for all intents the STS from before. Thus.. no coupe. IN terms of sales the product mix: 2011 Coupe 27% 2011 Sedan 70% 2011 Wagon 3% 2012 Coupe 27% 2012 Sedan 70% 2012 Wagon 4% 2013 Coupe 29% 2013 Sedan 68% 2013 Wagon 3% 2014 Coupe 29% 2014 Sedan 69% 2014 Wagon 2% with almost 30% going to coupe sales 2011 55,042 2012 46,979 2013 32,343 2014 31,115 Means that almost 15K were coupe sales in 2011. BMW's 3series sales, when it was a coupe and convertible were 15% of that mix. Meaning that Cadillac sold almost double.. by percentage.. of CTS Coupes than BMW did coupes and convertibles combined Now go post a video or something clown Your attempts to rile me up are laughable. The ATS essentially replace the CTS in the Cadillac line and only the name goes back to what the second gen CTS was. The CTS currently is for all intents the STS from before. Thus.. no coupe. IN terms of sales the product mix: 2011 Coupe 27% 2011 Sedan 70% 2011 Wagon 3% 2012 Coupe 27% 2012 Sedan 70% 2012 Wagon 4% 2013 Coupe 29% 2013 Sedan 68% 2013 Wagon 3% 2014 Coupe 29% 2014 Sedan 69% 2014 Wagon 2% with almost 30% going to coupe sales 2011 55,042 2012 46,979 2013 32,343 2014 31,115 Means that almost 15K were coupe sales in 2011. BMW's 3series sales, when it was a coupe and convertible were 15% of that mix. Meaning that Cadillac sold almost double.. by percentage.. of CTS Coupes than BMW did coupes and convertibles combined Now go post a video or something clown While correct in % but with 3 series roughly doubling, in 2011, CTS sales at 94,153(and the ratio worsens beyond 2011 as CTS drop and 3 rise) they would still be selling the same total number of 3 Series coupes(now 4Series). They can just amortize the costs better and make a better business case for variants...which in my opinion they are way beyond number of choices at this point.. 3 Series Grand Turisno? One of the ugliest vehicles ever made. Proportions are dog $h!. And according to your own figures Casa....the CTS coupe sales were dropping faster than girl's panties when Prince was around them.... And in a relatively short period of time.... The GM bean counters said ...NO NO NO....no more CTS coupe.... Remember....because I mentioned this before...but you ignore, and suppress....the CTS coupe shared very little with the sedan... Not a very successful car at 31 000 units during the last year....from 55 000 units....and how much were the incentives to move it the last 2 years? Remember...55 000 units @ year 1 to 32 000 and 31 000 units years 3 & 4....with probably massive amounts of rebates to move that hunk of shyte out of the dealership the last 2 years... YEAH CASA... I think maybe my clown kit...Ill pass it on to you...

No third choice. These are it. Take 'em or leave 'em. Topless American woman during spring break or curvy (but not in this case) red headed Italian supermodel... I gotta admit, I dont know too much about this car. Its a stunner though. Looks great being seen or driven in next to a Mediterranean Boardwalk.

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Im quite happy actually being born in 1973 and being a teenager in the 1980s and living my adult life in the 2000s. I don't prefer the 1970s as an adult over the 2000s. I wouldn't mind switching though. I know I wouldn't like to be an adult in the 1950s...as a teen yes, not as an adult. To me, the 1950s (and 1960s) seem like a naïve period. All the lies, innuendo that have been fed to the people, including the lies about WW2 and the false reasons why it started making it seem like the Nazis were the ONLY bad guys, the Cold War and making THAT seem like the Communists were the ONLY bad guys... The too perfect world of the American family with the dog, house and white picket fence....and the hypocrisy surrounding the devil's music, blacks, race relations and the place of the white male versus any other minority including women... To me it seemed like in the 1940s, women had more rights than they did in the 1950s...they actually worked in factories to produce military weapons....they actually played sports andf were not frowned upon while doing so.... I feel that the assassination of JFK really woke many people up... And all the uprising whether it was Malcolm X or Martin Luther King or women burning their bras really sent a message to "take it to the man"... Which is good. I feel like we don't do enough of that today...and we should as we are ;letting corporate greed rule us... On the other hand, maybe we are too cynical today....the pendulum has swung the other way, maybe too far the other way as opposed to being too naïve. I would love to have lived as a teen in the 1920s and 1930s... Mucho poverty, but it seems to me that our politicians and companies cared a tad more about the well being of their people as opposed to today. But maybe Im seeing those times from red coloured glasses too...and Im seeing the 1950s with very dark Ray Bans...