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From the 92 000 units sold link: (the above paragragh that I didnt post suggests that Covid really didnt affect car sales. But that was probably early in the pandemic) Issues that North Americans in general have about BEVs. Quebecois are not so different. BUT...Quebecois are not afraid to switch to BEVs. Proved by the 6.8% figure which Im assuming is higher than MOST parts of North America. For the fact that Zero-emissions vehicles sold in Quebec account about 50% of the total in Canada. And as VW and Chevrolet, (and Ford and Honda and Hyundai...) will come out with REAL affordable EVs in the next 2-3 years, and charging times and range will improve and MORE charging stations will be available to bring Gaspésie closer to Québec and Abitibi closer to Montréal, that 6.8% figure will be substantially higher by 2028, 2029, 2030, 2031, 2032, 2033, 2034, 2035...

Its high...for what Quebec is. And with what the world had to deal with in 2020. Quebec citizens are not exactly wealthy like say...parts of California... Up from 5.8% in 2019 It was 3.5% in 2018 Quebec wanted 100 000 plug-ins and BEVs by 2020. Quebec missed that figure by 8000. 92 000 units sold. Not so bad considering Covid put a halt on many Quebecois' revenue... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-narrowly-misses-goal-of-100000-electric-vehicles-on-the-road-1.5856007 for 2021, sales of plug-ins and BEVs are down in Quebec and in Canada, but that is because of Covid still https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/210422/dq210422e-eng.htm however, Quebec accounts for nearly 50% of zero emissions car sales in Canada... (same link as above) But the MOST important thing though, regarding ICEVs and BEVs. Quebecois are very indifferent about the future of ICEVs (in general) and Id say the majority of the people are in FAVOUR of BEVs. What we might NOT want is a LAW FORCING us to switch to BE. But we arent exactly opposed to switching to BEVs on our own anyway... We are skeptical as a society on how the logistics to get there will happen as we dont see any REAL changes as of yet. But again, we arent exactly crying for the internal combustion engine going away...even as soon as 2035...

Im not gonna argue the 2035 ban failing. It probably will. In the US. In Quebec, I think its almost law now, if not, it will be and it will stick. But aside from the law aspect of it, for people adapting EVs and the discussion we are having here. if it werent for the threat of a law, Im not so dense to understand that change of that magnitude DOES take time. An enormous amount of time. We gave discussed this before and a change of THAT magnitude COULD happen for America to be fully EV by 2035. But...for THAT to happen, the WHOLE country needs to be on the same page. And Im not talking about a political divide here, Im talking about the parties involved (EV car makers, charging pump makers, electricity producers, housing contractors, businesses like grocery chains, restaurant chains, government money for certain things to happen, etc)...all need to work IN SYNC. But that aint gonna happen as nobody in the US is on the same page...and I repeat, I aint talking about political parties and leaning left or right...Im talking about the LOGISTICAL people involved... Norway, Quebec...phoquing little island in Greece for phoque's sake... are an example of what it actually takes for a 2035 ban to actually happen https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-02/greek-island-plans-green-energy-shift-to-power-electric-vw-fleet https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1130195_vw-project-to-transition-greek-model-island-to-electric-vehicles-renewable-power I know Norway and its citizens and their businesses have been committed. I know Quebec is trying hard to make that happen. But admittedly slower than Norway. But then again, our electrical grid is already robust, some of our businesses like restaurant chains and grocery stores and all government building all have chargers. Indoor parking lots and malls and outdoor downtown streets have plenty of chargers and many many more to come. Its a law already that ALL new homes, condos included, being built NEED to have a level 2 charging system. Quebec subsidizes not only new EV car sales with huge incentives, but also subsidizes home owners, business owners, anybody that wants to install an EV charger of any level. In the US...all we still talk about is how charging is s-l-o-w. How Americans need range. More range and more range and more range and how charging times are s-l-o-w because that one time an American will go on a road trip where an American doesnt already fly to that destination anyway because driving has become a chore for him...but we wont let THAT fact out of the bag...

Id say...by 2035 it will be the law... And about the homeless thing and not being a component. well...it was an Microsoft analysis, so Ill give you that. It wasnt a biased type of survey to convey a biased form of info.

No it wont...

It will...soon. PS: YOU are comparing a BASE PHOQUING CORVETTE TO A HIGH END BLACK SERIES GT...

It depends on how you want to interpret how fast change happens... I bet you that 2019 microsoft analysis included homeless people in that 162 million population. Hobos, Amish, older folk from the silent gen that happened to be still alive, older boomers... The thing is though..why dont we interpret how fast American people went to NOT owning a PC in the 1980s to owning 4 computers in the late 2010s...in a span of a short 30 years in adapting not only a computer and dial up internet but 4 computer devices... YES...4. 1. Ditching the PC AND the laptop in the process BUT owning at least 2 tablets...or a combination of 1 tablet and 1 laptop. Or even 1 PC and 1 laptop... 2. smart phones 3. smart watch And there will be a 5th computer device because cars in 2021 DO have a tablet on their dashboards...and in 2022 and in 2023...the MAJORITY will have that... Covid in 2020 pretty much sealed our fate in being connected 24/7... The thing is...if we go even further into the details...in the 1940s, not everybody had a phone. The communication towers to connect folk from town to town was inexistent. It took 30 years for the ENTIRE US to be connected by phone. But lets talk about how fast fiberoptics and satellite communications accelerated the connection and adaptations of folk AROUND THE GLOBE for cell phones and the internet... It took the same 30 years, but connected the world... made people adapt. Sure...one could use the poorest of the poor countries to tell us that these people dont even have regular analog phones. True, but these folk barely have toilets in their huts as well still...

Technically, the Corvette EV Hybrid was supposed to come out in 2021 USING Ultium battery tech... And its still rumoured that Chevy could still sell the Hybrid in late December....although I doubt it myself... But yeah... THAT kind of battery tech is JUST around the corner and if it werent for the chip shortage, it WOULD have definitely been 2021...

The Model S and now the Plaid is a testament on what Tesla could do. No doubt. The Roadster 2.0 when Musk showed it, it took the world by storm. And rightfully so! These are amazing machines. But to simply prop them up only to shyte on the competition is wrong. Its wrong because the competition HAS caught up to Tesla. The Roadster 2.0 was unveiled in 2017 and it was supposed to come out in 2020. Well, in 2017, the competition for EVs from the legacy automakers was DISMAL! THAT is why we could put Tesla on SUCH a HIGH pedestal...then There was NO Corvette C8 let alone a HYBRID Mid -Engined one that is gonna be out for sale in 2022. next year. The Roadster was supposed to be out LAST year. The Roadster 2.0 is not even planned to come out in 2022... In 2017, there was NO Mustang Mach -E to show us that even Ford for phoque's sake could bring out an EV that RIVALS a Tesla product. There was NO EV F150 concept to tell us what FoMoCo has planned. THE biggest F150 news in 2017 was GM STILL bitchin' and whining on their ads that an aluminum bed is bad for business. The Porsche Taycan was still a pipe dream... There was NO Audi E Tron GT. If the Taycan was a pipe dream, the E Tron GT was semen still stuck in the balls of a limp penis VW Group not even ready to shoot and fertilize an egg... THAT is how advanced Tesla was OVER its competition in 2017... In a short 4 years...EVERYBODY has caught up to Tesla... The next update to the Taycan and the Plaid Model S will be an insignificant blip... which by Porsche standards not liking to lose to its competition...will probably BE in 2022... The Corvette Hybrid C8 will bury the Roadster in news and performance. The Cybertruck will be a farce while the Hummer EV will be the NEW star in rap videos.] And ALL THAT is happening in the next 2 years or less... YES...Tesla has got 4 models. 4 OUTDATED models...with a 5th outdated model, the Cybertruck, ready to be laughed at BECAUSE Elon Musk has smoked his braincells to death...

No they wont. The world saw what the Hummer looks like, so they will stay the PHOQUE away from it. Only rabid Tesla fanboys will buy that. And ONLY the ones that have the room for one. THAT equals to NOT many... The Hummer is also huge...but it has a more BROADER appeal. The Hummer H1 and H2 were PREMATURELY canceled. With the EXPLOSION of Jeep SINCE the cancelation of HUMMER ICE and the introduction and SUCCESS of the Ford Bronco only tells me that the HUMMER EV willl TROUNCE the Cybertruck in sales. They are indeed in the same category those two... Again...GLOSS over the fact that in 2022...an EV HYBRID Vette is gonna appear. GLOSS over the fact that the C8 YOU are referring to is the BASE PHOQUING CORVETTE THAT COSTS HALF THE PRICE OF A PHOQUING PLAID MODEL S... YOU JUST ADMITTED THAT ONLY TESLA FANBOYS ARE GONNA BUY THE ROADSTER OVER THE C8 EV...BUT THE VETTE HAS 1000% MORE FAN BASE THAN THE ROADSTER HAS AND EVER WILL!!! AND...THE VETTE EV HYBRID WILL EMPLOY SOME C8 Z06 TRACK SUSPENSION... I SERIOUSLY THINK YOU SHOULD STOP THE SHYTE CONVERSATIONS...THE CORVETTE'S MISSION AT THIS POINT IN TIME IS TO BE A TRACK BEAST...ITS A SPORTS CAR YOU DUMMY! THE C8 YOU SEE NOW IS A BASE MODEL!!! IT IS ITS MISSION IN LIFE TO BE A TRACK BEAST!!! YOU THINK THE MODEL S WITH ITS 5000LBS WEIGHT IS GONNA STILL BE A TRACK WINNER WHEN A LIGHTER, MORE CAPABLE SPORTS CAR WILL COME OUT??? IF YOU THINK THAT, YOU ARE STUPIDER THAN I THOUGHT!!! YES IT IS!!! THE VEYRON EXISTS BECAUSE IT WANTS TO DEFEAT SPORTS CARS LIKE THE CORVETTE!!! THE CORVETTE IS THE PRIMARY CAR THESE HIGH EXOTICS TRY TO BEAT YEAR AFTER YEAR... BTW...IT WOULD BE SILLY IF BUGATTI BUILT A ONE MILLION DOLLAR CAR THAT GETS TROUNCED BY A SIXTY THOUSAND DOLLAR ONE. AND IT NEARLY DOES WITH HALF THE HORSEPOWER...

Daimler LIMITED Chrysler's budget when they were merged together... Daimler LIMITED and outright DENIED their choices... The RWD Charger concept was postponed. Daimler denied further development of that RWD chassis. And when they greenlit the RWD LX cars, Daimler made them use the old E Class platform. I guess it was less expensive? But YOU just said that Chrysler made money in the 1990s... YOU GUESS??? OF COURSE THEY DID!!! THEY MADE MONEY HAND OVER FISTS WITH THE MINIVANS, THE CAB FORWARD LH CARS AS THESE WERE SMASH HIT SELLERS, WITH RAM AND JEEP AND OTHER SUVs LIKE THE DURANGO!!! Chrcyo made money even selling Lamborghini after Chryco had a little bit of a hiccup in those 1990s. But...they had enough R&D money to start HUGE pet projects LIKE the Viper, the PROWLER, the RWD Charger that they wanted to bring out BEFORE there was a Daimler-Chrysler merger... So...after the merger, when Daimler left Chrysler dead and gutted... where would Chrysler find the money? Its easy for Daimler to do an SLS...they USED STOLE Chrysler's already ADVANCED in R&D platform!!! The chassis was an all aluminum chassis. Something that Chrysler engineers learned to do when they owned Lamborghini and decided to experiment with the Prowler... Nevertheless, that's precisely what happened, according to Inside Line. According to an unnamed insider, the all-aluminum chassis was already in the prototype stage and an all-new suspension design was in the works when Mercedes decided to put the also-in-development SLS AMG on the same path. Ive posted THAT exact thing above but I highlighted other stuff....I highlighted other things here because you seem to want to gloss over facts... https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/car-design/a27637/the-secret-history-of-the-plymouth-prowler/ .As it turns out, the car was far more than a 1990s spin on a 1933 Ford—it was Chrysler's largest-ever experiment in building aluminum cars, coming nearly 20 years ahead of the aluminum car revolution we're seeing today. "The whole thing really was an exercise in research for how to use aluminum materials," Gale says of the Prowler. "At the time, Chrysler really didn't have a lot of applied research. So in my view, this was a great way to kind of force us to take a look at aluminum stamping, aluminum forming, extrusions, welding, and combining that with composite materials. "Prowler was really more about that than it was the car itself, and I was kind of the one that pushed that. I was just anxious to see us have that kind of research," Gale says. "At the time, we could see where things were going to go, especially if you looked at a long-term trend, with fuel economy and weight," Gale told me. "And yet we really didn't have the kind of expertise we felt we needed. So having [Prowler] happen, having the ability to bring [aluminum] panels into a production environment, definitely provided us with knowledge that we wouldn't have gained in other ways." You are calling the Daimler-Chrysler CEO of Daimler stupid? Why? For merging with Chryco? Chryco in the 1990s was a very high time for Chryco. Something that Chryco hadnt seen since the 1950s and 1960s. Chryco was on a styling hit parade in the 1990s like they were in the 1950s and 1960s. Chryco didnt see that kind of engineering prowess since the 1950s and 1960s... Chryco was on a roll in the 1990s and yes...that stupid CEO phoqued it all up for Chryco. He did however advantage Daimler though through all that sabotaging he did against Chrysler... You admitted without knowing it that Daimler WAS the cause for Chryco's demise in 2009. The merger ended in 2007. The downfall of Chryco WAS during the merger...BECAUSE Daimler was a shyte for nothing company... BEFORE the merger...Chrysler was FLYING high! Mercedes though...BEFORE the merger...was in SHAMBLES. BMW was kicking their ass! AUDI was kicking their ass! JOHAN was in command then! SHYTE...even Lincoln was outselling Mercedes then!

And the article, BECAUSE its old news, doesnt even mention the new generation battery tech that ALLOWS for fast charging that WILL be on the EVs as soon as 2021-2022. And even those batteries will be improved upon shortly thereafter. It just talks about charging levels...

The Cybertruck is not exactly THE definition of what a pick-up truck is. If the Cybertruck goes into production as is or even it ever goes into production... The Cybertruck is a toy. Its a fantasy vehicle. Its a concept car made into production. Its a lifestyle toy meant to tell your green EV loving folk what you got. But ONLY to the green ev loving folk that are rabid Tesla fans. Because GM has also entered that realm of a fantasy, recreational toy meant to compare how big the green EV d1ck is with save the planet pricks.... And the thing is...GM has already successfully marketed THAT huge penis contest 20 years ago TWICE And it seems the Hummer EV is gonna be a hit of Tesla proportions as well... The Ford F150 EV and the GM EV pick-up truck twins will show case what an EV pick-up truck could and should be. The Cybertruck is nothing but showmanship. And if that is the best of what Tesla could do...it has already lost... The Roadster 2.0 should have been out already...selling to folk that are buying the CURRENT ICE C8 Corvette... But the longer Elon is stalling it, the more time Chevy has got to perfect and out perform the Tesla Roadster 10 fold with the EV Stingray and the 1000 HP full on tri motor EV C8 Zora... Like I said... Elon has FAILED to take Tesla on to the next level. He ALLOWED his competition to get close to him and even surpass him... Instead of getting the Roadster out when the ICE C8 came out and embarrass Chevrolet with its dinosaur ICE sports car, Musk allowed Chevy to showcase that ICE is NOT dead, ICE is still very fast, affordable. Musk allowed GM and Chevy to gain MORE fans for the Vette, and Musk allowed Chevy engineers to tell the world that if you think this BASE ICE Corvette is fast...wait until the EV Vette hits the showroom. IT WILL BE FASTER AND AFFORDABLE TOO!!! While everyone was waiting for the Roadster 2.0 because we thought that was fast, Musk allowed THAT momentum to slip through his fingers and now the EV C8 Corvette is the one we are eagerly awaiting for...

600 bill. it should have been written as. 600 billion.

I dont know if competition will make for better Tesla products as their leader and head CEO, Elon Musk, thinks that he is the smartest guy in the room. He doesnt seem to learn, or more precisely, he doesnt seem to WANT to learn from others. Especially the legacy automakers. Tesla might have (had) a superior EV product, that gap is FAST closing in on Tesla. And I really do mean fast. Faster than what I thought it would be. THAT is the thing, Legacy automakers have some brilliant engineers of their own and Elon thinks that he has cornered the market with engineers... The problem is that these legacy automakers have a century plus of history of engineering state of the art stuff. THEY KNOW how to find and nurture and get the MOST out of THEIR engineers. And legacy automakers, whether in Detroit or Wolfsburg also know a thing or two on how to engineer and mass produce a vehicle and they have THAT down to a tee... something that Tesla and Elon REFUSE to learn how to do... Elon not only has other projects in mind, his obvious choices in how he chooses to use recreational drugs make it apparent that Tesla is losing its edge slowly slowly that Tesla once enjoyed hugely over every other legacy automaker... A product like an Apple computer, or iPod, iPhone doesnt come too often in life. But Steve Jobs seemed to hit lightning in a bottle SEVERAL times in his tenure of Apple. THAT is because Steve Jobs was CLEAR in his mind... Jobs MIGHT have ALSO taken prescription drugs ALONG with recreational ones, but somehow, HIS mind was clear. Musk on the other hand, his mind is clouted with BS. It shows.... He aint THAT phoqued in his head though as how we see his manipulation of the stock market with bitcoin tweets and the like... BUT...all that shyte takes AWAY from his concentration of how he SHOULD ELEVATE Tesla to the NEXT level... He has EFFECTIVELY ALLOWED FoMoCO, GM, VW to be on an EQUAL playing field on EVs when he enjoyed AT LEAST a DECADE of being in front of them JUST 2 short years ago... When the onslaught of EVs come from these legacy automakers in the next year and two, Tesla will NOT be selling THAT many Model Xs and Model 3s... Those Tesla cars are already long in the tooth in 2021 and they arent even THAT old... and there is NO talk about gen2 for these cars... I wont even address the Model S and X... When the 2nd gen of these EVs from VW, FoMoCo and GM come rolling along by the end of the 2020s, Tesla I feel, will be an irrelevant company...as a car manufacturer. (NOT as a powertrain and battery company, but as a manufacturer of vehicles) VW, FoMoCo and GM, ESPECIALLY VW and GM, have ALL THE R&D money they could possibly need WITHOUT the help of smoke and mirrors stock market manipulation of ARTIFICIALLY valuing their companies at 600 mill. In fact, VW, FoMoCo and GM are CRIMINALLY UNDERVALUED that it seems it doesn't MATTER because it seems as FoMoCo, VW AND GM have found a way AROUND that and have the MONEY to equal and BETTER the Tesla tech with their OWN proprietary tech... And I like Tesla... Its a shame that what Elon had, he is pissing it away...

It was the Italians that gave way for the nice LX interior upgrades. Especially the Dodges. Daimler flubbed on what could have been a phoquing awesome partnership and merger with Chryco. Instead, Daimler was too stuck up in their German ways that questioned what Chrysler cars SHOULD be in the US market, got extremely jealous of the potential of what Chryco engineers could do with the American cars and totally bean counted, sabotaged, misappropriated Chrysler's share on the money and totally phoqued up Chrysler. That ME412 was the last straw... Im willing to bet that Daimler German asshats found it to be insulting for Chrysler to take a Mercedes V12 and engineering a very super supercar around it. Not only that, Chrysler engineers seemed to IMPROVE upon the V12 with forged internals and better flowing cylinder heads... The very first HYPERCAR! But the German idiots didnt realize that THIS car could have ENDED the Corvette's life. Or they did know but probably didnt want ANY of that spotlight to outshine the German part of Daimler-Chrysler... Talk about cutting your nose to spite your face... On the other end... Daimler got Jeep SUVs on the cheap that bolstered their line-up at JUST the right time when the world went batshyte crazy for SUVs, got a platform for their awesome SLS AMG that Chrysler engineers worked on bolstering their mega image in the US to folks like SMK. I guess, it was better that way, to phoque Chrysler but reap the benefits of owning Chrysler for a little while...

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1046235_report-mercedes-benz-sls-amg-was-originally-the-next-viper If you've thought the 2011 Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG looks a lot like the Dodge Viper, you're not alone. And it turns out you may well be even more correct than you thought you were: a new report out today says the SLS AMG was originally the next-gen Dodge Viper, borrowed from Dodge while Daimler still owned Chrysler. The news is both surprising and completely expected all at once. The proportions of the car, the spy shots during development, even the character of the car itself all seem to bear a lot of Viper influence. But to think the $180,000 SLS AMG is based off work done by Dodge's engineers as they envisioned the next Viper? A bit unexpected. Nevertheless, that's precisely what happened, according to Inside Line. According to an unnamed insider, the all-aluminum chassis was already in the prototype stage and an all-new suspension design was in the works when Mercedes decided to put the also-in-development SLS AMG on the same path. And there is soooooooo much to read into here... Chrysler is sooooooo shyte...that Mercedes decided to develop the SLS AFTER the Viper and Mercedes used the Viper as a start. You really have a lot of soul searching to do...

That is more on what Daimler was doing to Chrysler Daimler was giving Chrysler OLD platforms to work with and then bitchin' why Chryssler aint sellin'... YOU are doing the same thing here... Chrysler came out with the Charger concept in 1999. It was a WORKING RWD car. Chrysler gets RWD, OLD platform in 2005... Chrysler had to work miracles to make it modern... Chrysler has a new sporty model in mind...Daimler agrees to make it a version of the SLK... Daimler puts it on the OLD platform while the SLK gets a new gen. The Crossfire doesnt sell, the critics bemoan the Crossfire and Daimler doesnt understand why. Proceeds to blame Chrysler... Chrysler comes up with a mid-engine concept. WANTS to build it. Daimler says NO! Daimler is afraid that a Chrysler will shyte on ANY Mercedes... Chrysler has a new gen Viper going on. One that will be able to be sold in the near future as Chrysler knows safety standards are going to be tightened. Daimler cancels the project. It is rumoured though that Daimler uses this exact project to make their SL revival. Just a rumour though. What IS true, is that the Viper soldiers on with the old platform, that does NOT conform to the new safety standards. The merger is finished... Chrysler is gutted form Daimler. The bankruptcy happens just 2 short years later... Chrysler is gutted once again. Fiat comes along, greenlights a new Viper based on the old platform, Chrysler makes it into a track beast, besting out ANYTHING that Daimler makes... but BECAUSE its on an older platform that airbags wont be able to be put it, the Viper MUST be put to sleep. The world blames Chrysler and/or Fiat but the REAL problem was Daimler because Daimler didnt want anything from Chrysler to shyte on anything Daimler. The proof is that the LX cars did NOT get new tech either from Daimler OR Chrysler, because daimler did not ALLOW it. The Crossfire being the previous SLK gen while the SAME year the SLK is on the NEW platform... Really dude...I dont care.. Believe what you wanna believe. Mercedes is NOT all that... While you prop up Tesla in this thread...you have shat on the Corvette...the thing is...the Model S plaid ALSO beats out ANYTHING from Mercedes INCLUDING the million dollar plus shyte box from AMG called AMG-One.. PS: When Stellantis/Chrysler said that Dodge wants to get back its fastest sedan title away from Tesla...the Charger that Dodge wants to gibe us AINT a V8...but an EV. But your delusional hatred of anything American prevented you from seeing that and assumed that Dodge meant Hellcat V8... Please dont bother me with your nonsense...

Watching the Golden Nights-Habs game. Camera is films Vegas folk in and around their arena...in Vegas... I sees plenty, and I mean plenty of Habs fans wearing their Habs jerseys around. A family of Habs fans posing for a photo while the TV camera man also captures the moment. I dont know whether to be proud or vomit... THERE! Now I could be proud of both the Habs jersey on TV AND the fact that I HATE the Habs!!! PS: I must admit...it warms me that soooooo out west like that and folk, American folk, cheer for a team from Montreal!

They gutted Chrysler. Used ALL the money that Chrysler was making and threw her out. Chrysler had a RWD platform that they were designing all on their own. Daimler didnt want to further the project and gave them the old platform to work on while Mercedes a couple of years later got the new E Class platform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Charger_R/T_(1999_concept) CORRECTION: You mean....Daimler used Chrysler money and Jeep engineering to make their shytty SUVs that they badge engineered the GC from... Coincidentally, the shyttyiest GC was the one from the merger of equals... The Crossfire was from the previous gen SLK while that same year, the SLK got a NEW platform... And rumour has it, Daimler used the next gen Viper for its SL revival while Daimler almost canceled the Viper all together... You will never admit it....but Daimler NEEDED Chrysler MORE than Chrysler needed Daimler. Daimler used and abused Chrysler and left Chrysler for dead... Hence rthe bankruptcy in 2009... Prior to that, Chrysler had bought Lamborghini, help fund the Diablo....it actually re-engineered the Diablo which angered Gandini. He later made the Cizetta which was the original Diablo creation. Chrysler changed the world with the Viper. With the mini-vans. With the cab forward mid-sizers. Hence the Charger concept. Chrysler made the Prowler to test how to use and mass produce aluminum to which Daimler learned a few things... You have got a lot of soul searching to do because your dear Mercedes is NOT all that...

Reminiscing about my childhood and the cars that I liked. I never posted this particular Pontiac anywhere. Never mentioned that I liked it, anywhere. First time. 1970 Catalina There was one in my neighborhood growing up. I think it was a 4 door. I do not think it had a vinyl top. It was the same green colour as this one with the same hub caps Loved the nose Loved the rear

Yeah...I knew that about you. I forgot. (That you were into '50s and '60s Pontiacs when you were a teen in the '70s) I did calendar year for me as I wasnt as advanced as you were in recognizing what and who you were about cars. I came to that mindset when I was in my late '20s. However, I did like '50s and '60s cars in my teens, I also liked the cars IN my teens and in my '20s as well which would be cars in the '80s and '90s respectively. I only started preferring the classics cars over the currents in my late 20s which would be the late '90s.

I couldnt possibly be out by 1979 as I was just starting out in being a car guy. A tad earlier than '79. But I was just 6 years old then. My dad's '70 GTO and a neighbor's '76 Trans Am were one of the first cars that I loved. The General Lee too, but we are talking about Pontiac. Then in 1979, the new look Trans Am came out and I was hooked forever as a Pontiac guy. There were other Pontiacs in my neighborhood (from the '70s) that had 'that' look that made Pontiac such an exciting brand. But...the first car that I disliked was that Sunbird that I posted. When I saw the Pontiac arrowhead on it, I do remember looking at it and thinking to my little self, WTF? Obviously not in those words...but the sentiment of WTF was there. Then the '80s came...and my love for the 3rd gen Trans Am was as strong as the love I had for the '76 and the '79. The Bandit T/A was not a favorite...I merely liked it. I preferred the years outside of '77-'78. But when I saw that Bonneville as a new Pontiac, I wasnt too thrilled. But the Grand Prixs made me kinda forget about that Bonneville. The FWD Pontiacs of the '80s never had a negative impact on me. Only because I really didnt know what I was really missing in the RWD Pontiacs of the '60s... I loved the way the excess styling of late '80s Pontiacs were. Then came the weirdness of GM in 1990. As long as Pontiac had the Trans Am and had made the 4rth gen so adolescent looking that I sooooo ,oved about it, I didnt care what shytty cars Pontiac was peddling. I loved the W-Body GP, I loved both gens of the FWD Bonnevilles and I also kinda liked the Dustbuster minivan. And my favorite was the plastic bodycladded Pontiac version. But when Pontiac decided to sell the 2nd gen, I started questioning Pontiac's direction. And then the Rageous came out immediatley right after and I said to myself..."OK, Pontiac is serious again in making muscle machines! I want!" Only for it to be just a concept...