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Yes. THAT is what I said. I used me as an example. I wouldnt last too long. But, there are restaurants that sell "gourmet" hamburgers at ridiculous prices. We are getting away from what we initially want to discuss, but at the core of things, people decide what they want to pay for an object. The gourmet burger is marketed in such a way that draws in people to pay through the nose for what was once upon a time ago, poor people food... Sure, these gourmet burgers put exotic mushrooms on them. Hello... mushrooms are a freakin' fungus that bored kids in France used to find in their forests. Indigenous North American folk also gathered in their quest to survive in the most natural ways possible... Soldiers are taught to know which ones are poisonous and which ones are not... IE... nothing that says exquisite dining in MY eyes. What does THAT have to do with anything here? Like I said, its people and the market that decide what is the value. The OEM provides the marketing and hype of the vehicle in question. Supra C8 Corvette Bronco Mustang GT500 Hellcat/Demon Challenger The hype is generated by the OEM. The price is set by the dealership The people decide what they actually want to pay to be the first to own that desired vehicle Hey...if (enough) people are dumb enough to pay 100 000 dollars for a freakin' Bronco, kudos to the dealership for catching fish on their line. And kudos for Ford (in this case) for creating SUCH a desirable vehicle... I DO agree with you. It IS shytty business practices. Just RESTRAIN yourself from buying into that price. But if there is one idiot willing to do so, you cant really blame the dealership for trying. As for I. I just WISH I could sell a (one) hotdog for 20 bucks... 2 hotdogs, fry and a coke. A cool one hundred dollar bill. (plus tax) And there is a line-up to the door like I have now? Do I need to express my feelings for that scenario?

Dealerships ARE a business. PRIVATELY OWNED businesses. Franchises. A restaurant franchise ALSO has the right to sell its food HIGHER than what the franchisor suggests. That is why a franchised store in a downtown core of a city sells its food HIGHER than in the suburbs. Higher rents. But that is a big maybe. Sometimes, restaurant franchises sell their food at the same price as the downtown core franchise DESPITE having lower rents and lower property taxes to pay and such. Ultimately, its up to the consumer to decide what he/she values. Problem is, there is a sucker born every minute, sometimes with more money than brains, that enable this practice. From businessman's point of view: I dont have a problem with that. Like Balthy said: If someone wants to pay 20 bucks for my less than a dollar hotdog. I too, will GLADLY sell it to him. Hey, Ill even give him free napkins to wipe his face. (Which I already do, but Ill advertise that napkins come with the hotdog to give him the illusion of value and me taking care of him because I care for him...) But...if I raise my hotdog prices to 20 dollars each, Im afraid Im going out of business real freakin' quick... Market decides. And if there are enough suckers out there, dont blame the business opportunity of the dealerships. Yes...they will test the market. If they catch a fish, they caught a fish. Sometimes it works out for them. Sometimes it dont. If they have the arrogance to test the waters that way. Let them. As a consumer though, I wouldnt buy from them. EVER. But unfortunately, there are many that dont abide by yours (@surreal1272 and @balthazar) and my way of consuming.

True. I honestly dont know. Its what they did. Friends and staff. It was a common theme with them. A another common theme: 4 and 6 cylinder cars. Does THAT make a difference? 4 and 6 cylinders versus 8? I dunno... Probably not. Id say it doesnt make ANY difference... I have never drag raced in my life. On the street or on the strip. This is where I truly respect YOUR opinion on this as I can tell, YOU are NO stranger to drag races. Seeing that you have mentioned (and showed us )your brother's Firebird. I understand, that my angle on this is flawed. Maybe not greatly as ICEV DO cool down on the drag strip. OK...I may NOW understand that they cool down for DIFFERENT reasons. EVs are NOT the consistent speed demons on a race track. Drag or track. Many factors why this is. Juice runs out very quickly too. Charging takes a loooong time. Are two other factors. But, racing EVs on any type of track has only been a thing for about a decade. Lets give EVs a chance to evolve like ICE. Im sure these kinks will be ironed out. ICE has been racing now for OVER 100 years. ICE has also been flying for OVER 100 years. ICE has nearly been perfected in that time. LOL

5 seconds or 30 seconds. Its too long either way. if the guy has an old school car with an old school manual (or automatic) and is ready to go...NOW but his car does 0-60 in 4.9 seconds and the quarter mile in 13.6 seconds @ 110 MPH and the other guy is in his brand new launch controlled machine that does 0-60s in 2 seconds flat and the quarter mile in 9.9 seconds flat @ 140 MPH Well....if the race is NOW...its NOW. Even if the launch control could be made in 4 seconds. The race is all but over before it even starts... THAT is the point. As I stated before, the Challenger's launch system is quick. The Corvette C8's system is not. But...because all modern supercars and sports cars and sport EVs ALL have launch control, the way drag races are done on the street and strip is that the races are NOT started NOW. But EVERYONE waits for launch control to be engaged... Moot point of launch control taking too much time to activate. 5 seconds or 30. Its just stupid that it takes 30 seconds for watts to feedom to be engaged. But the Hummer in vocation is not a Demon either... Its just super cool that the Hummer has such a mode. And its even more cooler that a 10 000 pound beast could achieve that kind of velocity.

Yeah... Ive heard of guys driving their hopped up Integras and Corrado VR6s to Napierville back in the day and sitting out at least half an hour to cool down before going on their first run. Point being to answer @ccap41 also When making high horsepower, whether stock or hot rodded, an engine makes heat. (Batteries produce heat too) And heat just kills horsepower. (Batteries dont perform well) Engines need to be as cool as possible as to maximize horsepower and therefore get the lowest times possible during a run. A car dragging if not cooled properly will just bog down and lose 2-3-4 even 5 seconds easily. Heavily modified or not... The more horsepower the car makes, the more drastic the cooling technics need to be made... The more modified the drag car is away from stock, the more engineering effort is needed to efficiently and sufficiently cool down the car. The more efficiently and sufficiently the drag car is cooled down, the more runs back to back it can run WITHOUT a penalty in time down the track. The more consistently it will race throughout the day with more runs it could accomplish. A BEV will simply shut down. Computers wont allow it to run. But...trying to make it sound like heat is soley a BEV problem and not with ICEV to run down a drag strip is being overly melodramatic.

Yes it is. As it should. It was brand new during the taping of that episode. LOL

That goes without saying about EVs needing 1 hour to cool down between rounds. But, an ICEV also needs time to cool down between rounds. On modified cars that push horsepower way beyond what came stock with the car. They will run 3-4 times back to back (if that) then the dragster driver will put ice packs and dry ice and all kinds of other neat tricks on the manifold to cool it down. Because heat on the ICE robs power... And yes, sometimes these ICEV will also take one hour before running again. Cars like the Demon Challenger have dope stock methods in where the computer makes use of the air conditioning unit to cool down the engine making the Demon run countless of times. Which I gather some hot rodder thought of first and Mopar used that trick on its car right for the show room floor. Or maybe it came straight from SRT brains. regardless though https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/organized-drag-racing-autocross/109331-how-do-you-cool.html That discussion is from 2002 and it matches what I have seen when I had gone to the drag races at Napierville 2 or 3 times about the same time. Maybe things have changed since then. It has been 20 years. But Ive seen this contraption on google just now. Cooling technics have changed in 20 years. This method doesnt require plastic bags...

You shouldnt really be street racing. But if you must, you must. Well....the Corvette in order to keep up with the WTF mode Hummer, it will ALSO need to engage its launch control. And both take a looong time to set up. Now...since the Hummer is such a heavy beast, maybe a straight up race with the Vette may not be a good idea as the Vette without launch control is still pretty fast. But when we factor in a P100D Tesla Model S, the C8 Vette may need the launch control to try and beat the Tesla. The Tesla might not really need launch control to keep up. I think the launch control set up in the Challenger is a quicker system to engage. Kudos to MOPAR.

Fraud? If 200 miles and under is new and this is 301? Could this be brought to the attention of the better business bureau or any other kind of consumer protection agency? If any of them actually gives a shyte to begin with? DId they sell the Vette eventually? Because insurance and loan debt on an unsold car in today's market where there are NO vehicles for sale and little to no revenue coming in due to the chip shortage WILL hurt the dealership. LOL MORONS!

Dirty scumbags or not, until idiots STOP biting into that kind of gouging, it will continue to happen. The most effective deterrent to those sh1tty tactics IS when NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY buys severely marked-up vehicles. Which also includes special cars. Like the first examples of a C8 Corvette (Z06 or Stingray) or GT500 Mustang or Hellcat Challenger entering the market for the first time etc let alone a freakin' Bronco. Yeah, a Bronco is a great vehicle. Ford did an awesome job with it and yeah, its a bonafide offroader like how the 1960s original was. Like you said, this dumb dealership will (hopefully) be stuck with it for the next 30-40 years. Like this dumb dealership with the GNX The owner's son who inherited the dealership from his dad, I think that is how the story goes, marked up the GNX that time just passed by. The idiots 30-40 years later went on Jay Leno's garage to try to sell it. Yeah...it was advertising to off load it. They werent showcasing it... The backstory. I read up on it...

^^^Yeah... All launch controls (regardless whether on ICEV or BEV) take that much time to program and engage.

One hundred thousand dollars for a Bronco? If somebody buys that vehicle from this guy and dealership, then that buyer deserves to be taken advantage of. I understand that the dealership shouldnt be asking for these kinds of prices because its a ridiculous mark-up . But I also understand that dealerships could ask as much as they want because its their right as a business... (its been driven 301 miles so as to avoid FoMoCo disciplining them...) That doesnt mean a buyer HAS to buy it. I dont care how much in need one is for a vehicle...one DOES need to exercise restraint.

Is this the new Z06? It appears to be. It is said that General Motors posted this on Instagram today. https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a37755096/this-is-the-c8-corvette-z06-undisguised/ I like it. I like it better than the Stingray. I dont necessarily like this colour though, but I think if this is the new Z06, then its a smashingly good looking C8. I want to see how it looks in yellow with C8R cues on it. Interesting to see how much more aggressive the Z07 package would be on this as I dont see an aggressive rear spoiler nor aero canards and aero stuff in the front. Rear diffuser in the back? Center exhaust? Which Z06 will have all that? Is this the "base" Z06? Lots of questions still need to be answered and the questions above are still just about the exterior design and engineering choices and specs. Engine choice is still a mystery. And with the C8 side air vents being what they are, and how they and up helping gulp in more air for the C8R and now with this reveal, one visual I enjoy and appreciate very much on the Z06 is this cue: Very vintage American muscle car what Chevy designers did there. ? Very keeping the original inspiration of shark colour and loosely based looks. ?

LOL Yeah, I get the misanthropic part. Im a social butterfly, but sometimes I hate people too. Im a conflicted person that way. More often than not, I like to be around people and socialize. Strangely enough, I get energized with stupid people. I want to get away from them as far as possible, but I use that interaction to fuel my conversations with people I like to be around with. The restaurant business is perfect for my personality. Im always snacking at the restaurant. Food all around me all. the. time. Although when I do grab a french fry here and there, or a piece of bacon, or a slice of pepperoni or cheese or a hot dog, I do it discreetly, away from my staff and clients. (open kitchen) I go in the back to stuff my face and wash my hands immediately after. I noticed on my days off at home, I crave snacks. I cant concentrate. Its like I have ADHD or something. I need to put something in my mouth to taste it. Im addicted... Though at home, I have started to snack on fruits this past year. THAT has spilled over at work. Im snacking on less and less hotdogs and bacon and stuff. I have my wife has forced me to bring fruits to work to snack on those. And so I do. Grapes. Cantaloupe. Oranges, tangerines, clementines. Ive noticed that my belly has gotten less bloated by doing that and it seems like I have lost at least 5-7 lbs in the process as well. I no longer seem to have a gut. I guess its healthier to snack on fruits. Who knew?

I dont think I could EVER work from home. Too many distractions that would keep me from doing my job. 1. TV 2. Internet 3. Refrigerator and stove and if Im lazy to cook, many many snacks. 4. My house is what I consider a place for me to relax and get away...from work. I could NEVER bring myself to marry my house with my job. Nope! Couldnt do it!

Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of yet another corrupted corporation. As the world turns, the guiding light that leads these corporations is greed and more greed. Its like these CEOs that run these companies act like they only have one life to live. Discarding all of our children's safety all in the name of everything that is wrong with too much money. They think they are bold and beautiful, but really, they are dumb and dumber. Hopefully justice could be served. Is he the only one that is going to be charged? Scapegoat? Or will others follow? No doubt that it seems like he is guilty, whether he is a scapegoat or not, but he definitely wasnt alone going rogue. He was encouraged by the rotten corporate culture that enveloped Boeing in the last decade or two. Remains to be seen what comes next.

Just as I was about to post how lonely the Buick looks, I scroll down just one post, and its already been noticed by you. I guess you really are 2 quick. But...the REAL question is: are you 2 legit...2 quit?

Keep in mind I said emulates. To mimic. Different from copy. Different from looking the same. Ill start with the lack of a grill for the radiator for starters. Although, there have been dozens of cars before the Aurora to have such a styling feature. The Studebaker Avanti pops in my mind immediately to have such styling without thinking about it and researching it. With that being said, the 1st styling of the Model S had an oval black thing to emulate a radiator grill. I guess to make people think its a grill because grills (huge grills) had made a comeback by then and was, I guess, was an important feature for people. (So much so that BMW...Im digressing) The 1st refresh did away with that black oval thing and went with a flat, but slanted face. (I thought it was a pretty good look for the car) The bumper is more softer on the 1st refresh. But the 2nd refresh pronounces the bumper. Making it seem like it has a lip on certain colours and angles To which it emulates the Aurora... To quote you on your previous post I dont want to make it seem that Tesla borrowed from Oldsmobile and the Aurora. They look NOTHING alike. But, there aint no denying that the 2021 Model S has the same design features up front and mimics the 1996 Aurora. Obviously stylized differently. I just cant fathom how futuristically accurate the Aurora ended up becoming. It still makes for a beautiful car if it was designed for today's EVs.

Ah....the good 'ole 1990s ('80s concepts coming to fruition in the 1990s) GM aero styling days. I think the actual 1990s cars (the styling) from Chrysler and GM could do very well and NOT look out of place with today's EV stylings. The front end of the refreshed Model S emulates the front end of the Aurora

I know you dont post in here anymore. Whatever. Id like to show you one more time about your envy of European hockey and how false your opinion of it versus the NHL might be... https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/european-hockey-game-called-off-in-second-period-due-to-excessive-violence-230955194.html I came across this yahoo sports article 3-4 days ago. It disappeared. I forgot about it. I did want to post it to you then. Low and behold, it came back. Im not gonna waste my chance again... A little petty of me? Why YES it is!!! Enjoy where ever you are.

1. Audi E-Tron GT Of course in the most conspicuous paint theme possible. If I ever had more money than God... (why God???!!! Why do we say God...we SHOULD be saying the Devil...) Id buy this, and do a Tesla drivetrain, hardware and software swap on this... A GM Ultium swap wouldnt be a bad idea either. 2. TIED A) Lucid Air Very Oldsmobile-ish Very 1990s early 2000s. Which I feel very comfortable with. For how long tho? B) Even though I feel that the Model S is loooong in the tooth. I feel because of the lack of nice designs in the EV word yet, the Model S still stands out as a looker. With the little lip crease they did in the front, it pops just enough to look fresh. The back end needs a LOT of help. It hasnt been refreshed and it desperately needs it. Its like the Dodge Challenger. Its an old design. But it still works. But for how much longer? 3. TIED A) Porsche Taycan and B) Hummer EV SUV The Porsche is in 3rd place because I have gotten tired of the front end so soon. I think its because its got the Porsche family face on it and Im tired of seeing it. The ONLY car I like seeing that face is on the 911. The Hummer is not a vehicle Id be comfortable be seen in. Its NOT because of the 'phoque you' styling of it. But because of the SHEER size of it. I LOVE the fact that is a TRUCK of THAT magnitude. Its just that its a truck of that magnitude... Not my style. GREAT for an Arnold Swartzennegar, or a Conor McGregor. Not for me. Still LOVE the truck though. 4) Custom Look Mustang Mach E GT For an SUV... I could go for this. It doesnt got the presence and size of the Hummer. But its got a certain sizzle that I would feel good about being inside it telling the world: "hey...look what I got! Yeah...its a Mustang! Got a problem???!!! No! it got no V8! Its tall, 4 doors and its electric... And best thing yet! Its a FORD! Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it!"