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I do not know what the automotive world would think of a RWD/AWD roadster EV of the likes of a modern S2000 or if Toyota and Subaru would join in and make their 86/BRZ into a Honda competitor. What I do know is what I think of it. And THAT rendering above is quite an appealing package. Its niiiiiice! Now...imagine if GM could also offer one as a new Solstice/Sky as a Buick...or as a baby Corvette?! Ill use the coupe from Pontiac and the roadster from Saturn as the Sky was never offered that coupe style...

Nah...its about chemical warfare. And ze Germans (Mercedes) know a thing or two about that from their recent but past history... ☠️ Sorry @David Stay safe everyone! Get your HEPA filters to compliment your masks now! ?

Was watching the hockey game last night. A commercial is playing and the song used is a new cover of we will we will rock YOU! I wake up this morning with it in my head and I still cant seem to shake off the guitar solo. So, here (hear)... a whole hour of it!

I get what you are saying. And yes, you are not arguing against what Balthy and I are saying, but only correcting the information at hand...which is cool. And necessary for mis-information not to be reproduced. Thank-you. It is quite recent, this rule, I believe. I think 2018? But even before 2018, sometime between the 1980s when it was carefree and 2018, the engines had to last 4 engines per driver for the whole season or 5 races per engine. In other words, some sort of durability was and is applied to F1 engines and gearboxes. Which is nice to know. https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/promoted-how-f1s-engines-survive-the-punishment-of-a-long-season-5285414/5285414/ The relevant sections of the Formula 1 technical regulations written by the FIA (motorsport's governing body) decree, in short, that each driver may use only three engines per season to cover every practice session, qualifying and race. Article 23.3 (a) of the 2018 FIA sporting regulations states: "...each driver may use no more than three engines (ICE); three motor generator units-heat (MGU-H); three turbochargers (TC); two energy stores (ES); two control electronics (CE) and two motor generator units-kinetic (MGU-K) during a championship season. Long gone are the carefree, spendthrift days of the mid-1980s (pictured below), when the likes of BMW specialised in producing 'qualifying grenade' motors, capable of pushing out around 1500bhp... before internal components melted and the engines were scrapped. Now, with only three PUs permitted per driver, each of them has to last seven races, whereas previously it was four per driver, or five races per engine. The requirement for PUs to last an extra two race weekends was "a significant step", in the words of one engineer, but the change was made to help reduce the cost of supply to the customer teams.

I watched my son's first baseball game of the year. He had a 50/50 game. He went 2/4 with 3 RBIs. A single, a double and a walk. He came in all three times he made it to base. No strike-outs. He played shortstop. He made 2 fantastic plays to first ending 2 innings with the 3rd out ending threats of the opposing to to score. He also played 3rd base. He overthrew to first on the last inning to make the opposing team tie the game with 1 run in with 2 outs. Easy play and the game would have been over and they would have won... They eventually lost the game 8-7. (we were the away team) He didnt feel too bad for losing. He had fun. His teammates were having fun. It will be a great year for him, I think!

Actually... Racing cars are built ONLY to last THAT race... Balthy already stated that. Engines, transmissions...are all rebuilt after EVERY race. Tolerances are soooooo tight, that after running hard for a full race, the wear and tear on them in soooooo great that a rebuild is necessary because after a race, the tolerances are no longer in spec, wear and tear... therefore the engine is not making the full amount of horsepower that was engineered into it and the transmission will fail... The aeropackages on a race car are engineered to be just strong enough to do its job, but not as strong as to be too heavy.... In other words: aeropackages and even the chassis, are NOT overengineered to last a lifetime, just strong enough to be as light as possible to accomplish the task at hand in that one race. Which is to be as light as it could possibly be... Even the tires...are not pretty durable... Durable means they last 50-60 thousand miles, right? Well...we all know that racing tires do NOT last but a handful of laps... The only race cars I know that HAVE to be durable, are the ENDURANCE race cars that race for 12 or 24 hours... But even THOSE...all THEY have to do is just outlast the competition and for only...that 12 or 24 hour period... However, race cars are built sturdy...to handle high G Forces and high speed impacts to protect the driver. But being built sturdy does NOT equal being built durable. Being built to high tolerances does NOT equal to being built durable. Race cars are NOT built to be durable. Passenger cars are built to be durable. They are built to last a couple of hundred of thousand of miles... and there is a usual warranty from the manufacturer of 5 years or 50 000 miles. If only a race car could get 5 months and 5 000 miles...

True...but I wasnt questioning you or your stance REGARDING 400 mile range either... I was just stating that there might NOT be a need for 400 mile range and COMPLIMENTING your post rather than questioning it... But YOU are quite defensive there... Is it because you are sooooo comfortable if phoquery posts? Like you want to mess with my mind because I cant take an adolescent joke about a phoquing your mother joke when my mom passed away just a few months prior. When we are ALL NOT adolescent's anymore and chances are at OUR age, a parent might pass away because...parents DO get older and DO NOT live forever? I mean....sex with your momma jokes... do they EVER get stale? Like never? Stop the phoquery!!!

EXACTLY! You just throw FALSE information at EVERY turn trying to DENOUNCE. The thing is...you cant FOOL and LIE your TRUE intentions concerning EVs... Just ADMIT it that you dont like EVs and STOP trying to insult MINE and everyone elses intelligence with phoquery! There is NOTHING wrong with you NOT wanting to adapt to EVs. JUST STOP being a COWARD and ADMIT it. It took several posts...but I got you to admit it when your phoquery wouldnt go any further... I had to insult your country to do so even...before I got the TRUTH out of you... Why do you feel the need to lie about your view on EVs? If its really about the information regarding EVs, then STOP reading the MISINFORMATION and INFORM yourself CORRECTLY and use your brain... But if its because you are so dead set about EVs...then there is NOTHING wrong with that! Just stop the phoquery.... yeah...well...the article didnt make that clear, did it!? THAT article would be an example of MISINFORMATION... A lot. PLENTY of examples in just the last few days posted in these threads. If you MUST know...do your own analysis. Just stop the phoquery...

but...BECASUE technology in battery tech is changing pretty quickly and charging times and range is also a problem that engineers WANT to address and ARE doing so.. THAT survey that was done in 2018 really has no teeth in 2021... It got OUTDATED. Charging times in 2018 were longer BECAUSE not all public chargers had level 2 charging. Not ALL BEVs had level 2 charging capabilities... Going forward...is THAT STILL a problem for 2021? For 2024? A new problem HAS arose: FUNCTIONAL charging stations... Will THAT be a deterrent in 2021 for folk that dont have access to level 2 charging at home? In 2024? I know one thing, if finding working charging stations CONTINUE to be a problem in 2021 and 2022...then the United States of America is one useless dump of a country... And yes I mean it that way... NO APOLOGIES. If Greece could manage a working EV system...then there is NO phoquing excuse for the US...

I read a comment somewhere where a poster was commenting on range for EVs... He said: "there is no need for a 400 mile range battery and more in an EV" why? "A gasoline powered car lugs around 400 plus mile of range in the form of gasoline. gasoline is heavy, but ONLY when the tank is full. When its empty, it aint heavy. We also dont drive with a full tank of gas all the time. Its only full once. We drive the first mile and its no longer full and its 1 mile less heavy. And we dont rush to fill 'er up the next day either. Some of us dont even fill 'er up all the way. Some of us wait until we squeeze the last fume out of the gas tank before we gas up again. A battery powered car lugs around that heft ALL the time REGARDLESS if on a full charge or a 0% charge. When charging times drop to the levels of gasoline fill-up times, there wont be a need to lug around all that heft." Think about that for awhile...

Whether there will be or not... THERE IS NO PHOQUING NEED FOR 400 MILE RANGE...(if one has a charger at home...if and WHEN charging times drop....when there are ENOUGH charging stations at every street corner...) gasoline powered cars barely have over 400 mile range... But...gasoline powered cars cant be filled up at HOME... Its the SAME old tiring argument...

I guess...you are reading that article with a BIASED view AGAINST EVs... 1. folk didnt have access to level 2 charging at home. 2. hassle to charge at a public charger 3. failure of article to state what was a hassle... 4. one has to assume a) charging times too long b) hard to find a public charger that is i) available to use ii) in good working order iii) etc 5. I came to a conclusion that MORE public chargers that are at every corner LIKE a gasoline station is a VIABLE solution to which Norway is trying to do. California and Quebec as well... Couple that with charging times dropping in the NEXT 3 years and even faster charging times in the FOLLOWING 3 years... to accommodate the FOLK THAT CANT ACCESS TO A LEVEL 2 CHARGING SYSTEM AT HOME...

OK...do a search and see how many full sized pick-up truck represent in Quebec. Do another and see where the pony cars fit in...

1. because battery tech has changed in the last 3 years. The Model S Plaid as an example. Its batteries are different from a decade ago giving the Plaid MORE range. Price is another story. And will change even more in the following 3. This is where GM's Ultium batteries come in and where GM will put them in truly affordable Chevys in the next 6 years... 2. Charging tech has changed and GROWN since the last 3 years. ESPECIALLY in California where as compared to Quebec and even we dont whine about that... The dude in MY link complains about not enough of them in Abiti-phoquing-bi Temiscamingue https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abitibi-Témiscamingue Abitibi-Témiscamingue (French pronunciation: [abitibi temiskamɛ̃ɡ]) is an administrative region located in western Québec, Canada, along the border with Ontario. It became part of the province in 1898. It has a land area of 57,736.50 square kilometres (22,292.19 sq mi) and its population was 146,717 people as of the 2016 Census.[ Out in the middle of phoquing nowhere... And as stated, these Californians didnt have access to a charger. In 2018. As chargers become MORE available in gas stations and are as abundant as gas stations to which California wants to achieve, its OLD NEWS. NOT APPLICABLE. The situation of 2018 is VASTLY different in California in 2021 regarding this and will only be even MORE different in 2024. From 2018 to 2024...is a BIG difference where THAT data is IRRELAVANT... If you dont think so...kudos for you. But take a pause and think about it before you shoot me down on a whim. In other words to answer your question... Data has to be translated with NO PHOQUING BIAS taking into account HOW AND WHERE the technology is HEADING... (and this technology and situation is changing pretty quickly...)

True ^^^ But Quebec makes its own laws. A Quebec ban on ICE where the sale of new ICEVs by 2035 is relegated to Quebec only. It only affects the citizens of Quebec. And if going by your 2.5% increase in increments, by 2035, 39% of Quebec's population would own an EV? For Quebec? Yeah...39% seems doable. Even by BEFORE 2035 as I stated above. Quebecois are not hung up on that idea. Are not really crying over the disappearance of ICEVs. Are quite acceptant of BEVs. Like the link states: The reasons why Quebecois are buying them up slowly is not because they are hesitant of the tech, or because they are dependent on fossil fuels for electricity and they are caught up in a "moral" argument of what pollutes less, fossil fuel electricity to charge the filthy battery but reasons: 1. price. BEVs are still out of reach for regular families. But Hyundai Konas and Tesla Model 3s are quite common. When really affordable BEVs are on the market, Quebecois WILL buy them. The argument can go if and when BEVs become truly affordable. We dont know when that will happen, but as far as Quebec goes...WHEN it does, Quebecois WILL buy them... 2. Charging stations...not enough of them. Well that is kinda false in a way. a) In the big cities of Montreal and Quebec, charging stations ARE around. Enough of them for the size of OUR TOTAL population and our TOTAL car pool. And only MORE of them are being erected each and passing day... b) the dude mentions that Quebec has a sprawling geography and its hard for people from Gaspesie to travel to Quebec and Abitibi to Montreal with BEVs as there are virtually NO charging stations. And he is CORRECT. But...2 things. Have you seen where Abitibi is? Its out in the middle of phoquing nowhere. If Clark Griswold crashed his family truckster in the desert and walked a few miles, crossed paths with a couple of natives that called him an asshole, to find a garage station to fix his suspension and install 4 bald tires that cost him all his pocket money, well...in Abitibi, he would have to travel MONTHS (exaggeration) to find ANY resemblance of civilization... There simply is not enough people living there to justify ANY charging stations...as of yet. Id like to see what are new car sales in Abitibi to see what the phoque is he talking about crying about charging stations and the lack there of up North like that... Gaspesie is another thing... He may be right about that one. But Quebec has invested millions and continue to do so in putting up charging stations ALL over Quebec. There will be enough charging stations in Gaspesie, in Abitibi, in Chibougamou eventually. Quebec is committed. The ENTIRE province is committed from the Provincial level all the way to the small town municipalities where the populations are thin thin thin... The Mayor of Montreal and Quebec city are all on board. Their successors are too... The citizens want a change... The all local businesses dont seem to mind. Hey...to install a charger, the government pays us a substantial amount to do so...AND we get tax credits for it too... DOUBLE WHAMMY. And lord knows Quebec businesses need tax breaks of any kind... 3. cold weather battery depletion is not really THAT big of a concern for Quebecois. I talk to many folk with EVs and they never seem to bring that up. I do live in the suburbs and these EV owners DO own a house/condo and these owners DO have a charger hooked up at their home... If I did my talking to folk that actually lived in the city, Id probably have a different answer. But cold weather battery depletion is like range anxiety. They are both connected because battery depletion LEADS to range anxiety. But we've talked about THAT ad nauseum. a) new tech batteries that are coming in the next few months/next year or two have that problem fixed at a minimum loss and the newer tech batteries that are 5-6 years away will have eliminated that. b) charging stations are being erected at a fast pace in Quebec. Wont be a problem to find a charging station if you need one... c) charging times with new tech batteries and new tech charging stations will be considerably lower than what it is now... One wont have to charge 5 minutes here and there for 5 pit stops or charge for 1 hour at 1 pit stop... And THAT is in the very near future... d) Most Quebecois dont travel looooong distances in the winter anyway. Especially to far away places like Abitibi for battery depletion to be a very big problem. Many do ski, but Mont Avila, Saint Sauveur and Tremblant are not THAT far away and there are plenty of businesses around WITH chargers and although I havent been skiing for a looong time, Im not gonna be surprised to find out that there are charging stations at the ski entrances... Ski for an hour or two....charge your EV and gain a few precious miles to get back home regardless of baterry depletion or not while you are skiing.... Couldnt charge your EV because none of the chargers were available? HA! Quebecois after they ski, they eat out in restaurants...some restaurant chains like St-Hubert BBQ Chicken have chargers at their local. Stop. Eat. Piss and charge your BEV... Therefore, with THAT so called problem, Quebecois dont seem to whine about it constantly and use it as a weapon to vilify BEVs...

From the 92 000 units sold link: (the above paragragh that I didnt post suggests that Covid really didnt affect car sales. But that was probably early in the pandemic) Issues that North Americans in general have about BEVs. Quebecois are not so different. BUT...Quebecois are not afraid to switch to BEVs. Proved by the 6.8% figure which Im assuming is higher than MOST parts of North America. For the fact that Zero-emissions vehicles sold in Quebec account about 50% of the total in Canada. And as VW and Chevrolet, (and Ford and Honda and Hyundai...) will come out with REAL affordable EVs in the next 2-3 years, and charging times and range will improve and MORE charging stations will be available to bring Gaspésie closer to Québec and Abitibi closer to Montréal, that 6.8% figure will be substantially higher by 2028, 2029, 2030, 2031, 2032, 2033, 2034, 2035...

Its high...for what Quebec is. And with what the world had to deal with in 2020. Quebec citizens are not exactly wealthy like say...parts of California... Up from 5.8% in 2019 It was 3.5% in 2018 Quebec wanted 100 000 plug-ins and BEVs by 2020. Quebec missed that figure by 8000. 92 000 units sold. Not so bad considering Covid put a halt on many Quebecois' revenue... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-narrowly-misses-goal-of-100000-electric-vehicles-on-the-road-1.5856007 for 2021, sales of plug-ins and BEVs are down in Quebec and in Canada, but that is because of Covid still https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/210422/dq210422e-eng.htm however, Quebec accounts for nearly 50% of zero emissions car sales in Canada... (same link as above) But the MOST important thing though, regarding ICEVs and BEVs. Quebecois are very indifferent about the future of ICEVs (in general) and Id say the majority of the people are in FAVOUR of BEVs. What we might NOT want is a LAW FORCING us to switch to BE. But we arent exactly opposed to switching to BEVs on our own anyway... We are skeptical as a society on how the logistics to get there will happen as we dont see any REAL changes as of yet. But again, we arent exactly crying for the internal combustion engine going away...even as soon as 2035...

Im not gonna argue the 2035 ban failing. It probably will. In the US. In Quebec, I think its almost law now, if not, it will be and it will stick. But aside from the law aspect of it, for people adapting EVs and the discussion we are having here. if it werent for the threat of a law, Im not so dense to understand that change of that magnitude DOES take time. An enormous amount of time. We gave discussed this before and a change of THAT magnitude COULD happen for America to be fully EV by 2035. But...for THAT to happen, the WHOLE country needs to be on the same page. And Im not talking about a political divide here, Im talking about the parties involved (EV car makers, charging pump makers, electricity producers, housing contractors, businesses like grocery chains, restaurant chains, government money for certain things to happen, etc)...all need to work IN SYNC. But that aint gonna happen as nobody in the US is on the same page...and I repeat, I aint talking about political parties and leaning left or right...Im talking about the LOGISTICAL people involved... Norway, Quebec...phoquing little island in Greece for phoque's sake... are an example of what it actually takes for a 2035 ban to actually happen https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-02/greek-island-plans-green-energy-shift-to-power-electric-vw-fleet https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1130195_vw-project-to-transition-greek-model-island-to-electric-vehicles-renewable-power I know Norway and its citizens and their businesses have been committed. I know Quebec is trying hard to make that happen. But admittedly slower than Norway. But then again, our electrical grid is already robust, some of our businesses like restaurant chains and grocery stores and all government building all have chargers. Indoor parking lots and malls and outdoor downtown streets have plenty of chargers and many many more to come. Its a law already that ALL new homes, condos included, being built NEED to have a level 2 charging system. Quebec subsidizes not only new EV car sales with huge incentives, but also subsidizes home owners, business owners, anybody that wants to install an EV charger of any level. In the US...all we still talk about is how charging is s-l-o-w. How Americans need range. More range and more range and more range and how charging times are s-l-o-w because that one time an American will go on a road trip where an American doesnt already fly to that destination anyway because driving has become a chore for him...but we wont let THAT fact out of the bag...

Id say...by 2035 it will be the law... And about the homeless thing and not being a component. well...it was an Microsoft analysis, so Ill give you that. It wasnt a biased type of survey to convey a biased form of info.

No it wont...

It will...soon. PS: YOU are comparing a BASE PHOQUING CORVETTE TO A HIGH END BLACK SERIES GT...

It depends on how you want to interpret how fast change happens... I bet you that 2019 microsoft analysis included homeless people in that 162 million population. Hobos, Amish, older folk from the silent gen that happened to be still alive, older boomers... The thing is though..why dont we interpret how fast American people went to NOT owning a PC in the 1980s to owning 4 computers in the late 2010s...in a span of a short 30 years in adapting not only a computer and dial up internet but 4 computer devices... YES...4. 1. Ditching the PC AND the laptop in the process BUT owning at least 2 tablets...or a combination of 1 tablet and 1 laptop. Or even 1 PC and 1 laptop... 2. smart phones 3. smart watch And there will be a 5th computer device because cars in 2021 DO have a tablet on their dashboards...and in 2022 and in 2023...the MAJORITY will have that... Covid in 2020 pretty much sealed our fate in being connected 24/7... The thing is...if we go even further into the details...in the 1940s, not everybody had a phone. The communication towers to connect folk from town to town was inexistent. It took 30 years for the ENTIRE US to be connected by phone. But lets talk about how fast fiberoptics and satellite communications accelerated the connection and adaptations of folk AROUND THE GLOBE for cell phones and the internet... It took the same 30 years, but connected the world... made people adapt. Sure...one could use the poorest of the poor countries to tell us that these people dont even have regular analog phones. True, but these folk barely have toilets in their huts as well still...

Technically, the Corvette EV Hybrid was supposed to come out in 2021 USING Ultium battery tech... And its still rumoured that Chevy could still sell the Hybrid in late December....although I doubt it myself... But yeah... THAT kind of battery tech is JUST around the corner and if it werent for the chip shortage, it WOULD have definitely been 2021...

The Model S and now the Plaid is a testament on what Tesla could do. No doubt. The Roadster 2.0 when Musk showed it, it took the world by storm. And rightfully so! These are amazing machines. But to simply prop them up only to shyte on the competition is wrong. Its wrong because the competition HAS caught up to Tesla. The Roadster 2.0 was unveiled in 2017 and it was supposed to come out in 2020. Well, in 2017, the competition for EVs from the legacy automakers was DISMAL! THAT is why we could put Tesla on SUCH a HIGH pedestal...then There was NO Corvette C8 let alone a HYBRID Mid -Engined one that is gonna be out for sale in 2022. next year. The Roadster was supposed to be out LAST year. The Roadster 2.0 is not even planned to come out in 2022... In 2017, there was NO Mustang Mach -E to show us that even Ford for phoque's sake could bring out an EV that RIVALS a Tesla product. There was NO EV F150 concept to tell us what FoMoCo has planned. THE biggest F150 news in 2017 was GM STILL bitchin' and whining on their ads that an aluminum bed is bad for business. The Porsche Taycan was still a pipe dream... There was NO Audi E Tron GT. If the Taycan was a pipe dream, the E Tron GT was semen still stuck in the balls of a limp penis VW Group not even ready to shoot and fertilize an egg... THAT is how advanced Tesla was OVER its competition in 2017... In a short 4 years...EVERYBODY has caught up to Tesla... The next update to the Taycan and the Plaid Model S will be an insignificant blip... which by Porsche standards not liking to lose to its competition...will probably BE in 2022... The Corvette Hybrid C8 will bury the Roadster in news and performance. The Cybertruck will be a farce while the Hummer EV will be the NEW star in rap videos.] And ALL THAT is happening in the next 2 years or less... YES...Tesla has got 4 models. 4 OUTDATED models...with a 5th outdated model, the Cybertruck, ready to be laughed at BECAUSE Elon Musk has smoked his braincells to death...