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I agree, looks and performance. All of the half tons will do more work than I will ever put them through. I would be using it as a commuter anyway with occasionally people in the back and stuff in the bed but I'd never touch the max payload or towing capability. For me, I like the looks of the new F150 and the '16 Silverado/Sierra with the monochromatic grill. I'm well over chrome and them using less on the Silverado looks great to me. Similar reason I would get the FX4 package on an F150 so I'd get the matte black(dark charcoal, I believe) grill. Ideally, I'd also want the 5.3 or 2.7 for power. I don't need anything nuts. But I would hands down want a V8 in a truck because I'd like to put a mild exhaust system on it and I do NOT want to put exhaust on a v6, period. But I also don't know how the 5.3 sounds when in 4cyl mode because I had a good buddy of mine drive a newer Silverado with the cylinder deactivation and he said it was CONSTANTLY dropping to 4cyl for fuel economy and he's actually a die hard Chevy fan but he said he would never buy a new one as long as they cut to 4cyl as often as they do. ..Then I told him that there are tuners that can probably eliminate that, but you wouldn't want to under warranty..

Shoot, I'm on my phone so there isn't a way to make a link hot but just guessing I would think the last gen Limited has similar or slightly less equipment than the new gen Platinums. 6029lbs is what the weight is. I'm not sure what Platinum weight you're looking at for comparison. http://m.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-ford-f-150-limited-ecoboost-v-6-test-review-less-is-more-page-2 (Don't look at their mpg either.. Lol) I'm chalking it up to lazy reporting in the articles I've found. Reporting a 2012 SuperCab Platinum 4x4 at 5585 and I'm thinking "that can't be right" Yeah, that doesn't sound right. I "think" one of the big comparison tests had the Platinum at like 56XXlbs but if I recall it had a few weighty things that the previous generation didn't have like the panorama roof, and power running boards, heated AND cooled seats(probably not a weighty item), and I could be very wrong but I thought I remembered hearing massaging seats..? I could have very well just pulled that out of my hind side though.

Man, I'm all about the Fogs and Alloys as well! I won't buy something without fogs and actual wheel(no hubcaps will be owned by me). I also am not a chrome kind of guy so any sort of chrome package I do not want because I'd likely slowly paint it all black anyway.

To achieve the advertised horsepower figures, 93 octane is required per the Ford website. No doubt high test is needed to achieve something close to the advertised fuel mileage as well. And no alloy wheels with the Ecoboost? Way to kill the party. It is an urban pod for those who don't like to drive. In markets where it is a family car it does what a family car does anywhere: delivers people and their stuff from point to point in a competent fashion. I'd like to see an RS but it doesn't appear to have been a priority. I'm an adherent to that old-skool philosophy... it is fun to drive a slow car fast. According to him(granted, sample size of 1) he gets between 37-38mpg in his mixed driving.I completely agree that's it's a ton of fun driving a slow car fast!

The 1.0 Fiesta does not require 93 octane. One of my best friends bought one a few months ago, fun little car to drive too.

Shoot, I'm on my phone so there isn't a way to make a link hot but just guessing I would think the last gen Limited has similar or slightly less equipment than the new gen Platinums. 6029lbs is what the weight is. I'm not sure what Platinum weight you're looking at for comparison. http://m.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-ford-f-150-limited-ecoboost-v-6-test-review-less-is-more-page-2 (Don't look at their mpg either.. Lol)

I'm just impressed any truck is running 14.1-2 let alone a loaded up Denali. That's pretty damn fast...let alone for a truck. The 1/4 Mile with 7000lbs was even quicker than some under powered economy cars. Just plain respectable numbers from a truck. Fuel consumption is very respectable considering not too long ago no matter what you bought and how you drove you'd get 12-15mpg from a v8 truck.

I think it's funny I know who posts the GM and Ford threads based on the titles. You guys are such fanboys.

Umm, hell no. I'm just tripping out over the fact that it is 15-20 degrees cooler here in the desert than just about anywhere east of the Mississippi. El Nino is wreaking havoc on the weather patterns here. What temps are you lookin' at? Prior to today we've been highs in the mid 50's even low 60's for almost the past month. I just keep waiting to walk out of my house in the morning and finally get hit in the face with the nasty teens and 20's but it just hasn't happened yet. Heck, yesterday morning I was woken up before my alarm for a thunderstorm. On my drive to the bus I could only go about 40mph because of visibility and that much water on the ground, it was dumping rain hard. If that was snow, it would have been 2ft it was coming down that hard and it lightly rained all day. Weird. Ass. Weather.

Suav, you're Indian? And most importantly, you don't have an accent??? Yes, but a fully Naturalized Canadian kiddy. You wouldn't know though, because of the 4 season climate I lived in before, I was pretty used to harsh winters already. And guess what, I got tanned IN CANADA. So you're from India and live in Canada? That's really neat, man! That sounds like a rare combo, lol. My gf's parents are both indian(and the gf) and her dad has a very strong accent and he's been here for over 30 years at this point(probably close to 35). Her mom, you wouldn't know she was Indian if you just talked to her over the phone, no accent at all. But they both moved here at different ages her mom basically grew up in Wisconsin and her dad went through college over in India.

Suav, you're Indian? And most importantly, you don't have an accent???

PT Cruiser was sort of low, but the Soul, HHR and Scion you don't really sit down into, you climb up or at least move across to get in them if that makes any sense. The seating position on those is higher than in a car. But there is a lot of gray area with those sort of vehicles. The HHR you sit down into, not a lot, but you do. My Escape is about "level" for me(5'8") I don't climb up at all or fall down at all. The HHR definitely sits lower. It's much more car-like in my opinion.

My bad, I have corrected it. i3's are BUTT UGLY! bmwi3-inline2.jpg i3BMWBellevue.jpg i3BMWBellevueSolidColor.jpg Solid Color one has 16K miles on it and reduced to $32K, is fully loaded but still over priced for what you get. They seem kind of neat/quirky in pictures but I have to believe they are a mess in person. $h!, 32k for one of those used? How large/small are they? What would they be compared to? Fiesta? Focus? Spark? For me they are in the Spark size and yes in real life they are a mess. Neighbor bought one and already decided it was just too much of a mess and limited driving for their use. He had to pay big time to get out of the lease. Spark size!?! No thank you, easily. Dang, I wouldn't want to get stuck in a lease with something like that but I guess even had they financed it you'd be out big bucks to trade it in or sell it out right in less than a year or two.

Yesterday while walking around downtown after work I saw a CLS 550 diesel and an E46 M3 in gorgeous condition. It looked a little lowered and almost like fenders flared slightly but I think it was just that generation. Great looking car!

Holy buckets, man! I couldn't deal with that! I'd go nuts...

f@#kin a, man. f@#kin a. Seriously though, I don't know why it's so damn hard to get Americans to buy American cars now. It's been around a decade since they've been selling cars of similar quality to the Japanese automakers, but in our infinite wisdom and anti-bias, we will spend insane amounts of money propping up foreign car companies. You wont find that ANYWHERE else in the world, except maybe China but I don't know that for sure. A Toyota built in the US with domestic parts content STILL benefits Japan at least as much as it does our country. Completely agree.. But it's hard to get past a reputation, especially when it's an investment like an automobile. My first year of college back in the fall of 07(holy $h!...) I was in an intro to engineering class and the instructor was an engineer and in the auto field some way or another and he said right then that American autos are as good if not better than a lot of Japanese and Euro cars but people won't give them credit for a long time. It takes Cobalts and Focuses with 300k miles and still purring to get that reputation up and the whole ignition and air bag thing aren't helping the two. Ignorant people still buy on reputation alone.

My bad, I have corrected it. i3's are BUTT UGLY! bmwi3-inline2.jpg i3BMWBellevue.jpg i3BMWBellevueSolidColor.jpg Solid Color one has 16K miles on it and reduced to $32K, is fully loaded but still over priced for what you get. They seem kind of neat/quirky in pictures but I have to believe they are a mess in person. $h!, 32k for one of those used? How large/small are they? What would they be compared to? Fiesta? Focus? Spark?

Yeah I got stuck in some of tat as well. That is the kind of situation that Start-Stop would really be worth it. I'm pretty sure my current tank average dropped 1.1mpg in the half hour-45 minutes I was in that traffic. Granted, I had a 3/4 tank so it fluctuates a lot with less miles on the Trip.

Speaking of freak weather... I woke up to thunderstorms this morning and a downpour like I haven't driven in in a long time. I couldn't drive quicker than about 40mph from lack of visibility and just that much water on the road I didn't want to catch a puddle and hydroplane like a jackass. Oh, and it's about 50 degrees this morning. It's NEVER been this warm this late around here. Okay, "Never" is a lie..I looked it up and record high for today was 74 degrees one year. But this is usually the time of year where we're getting frosts every night, highs in the 30's, snow threats(don't always get it but there's always the threat), and cold and windy. Not this year. It's freakin' weird.

I ALWAYS say that!!! Each and EVERY time the 1st day of winter rolls around, I see the silver lining in that frozen cloud and rejoice that finally, the days are getting longer again! AMEN! Amen to what both of you said. I HAAAATE the days of waking up and it's dark..leave the house and it's dark, get home from work and it's already dark as well. I'm not working 12 hour days or anything either Just sun up was around 7:30 and sun down was around 5:00.

What kind of information do you have on this car to say it is or is not "well-engineered"?

I think they've had something like this for decade. I believe they call them "hub caps" or "wheel covers". But in all seriousness, I think th insert thing is an awesome idea. I'm not 100% on that above rim but it is still a good looking wheel. Honestly, I think if it is something this cheap and easily replaceable I would mess around with 1 or 2 inserts and make it look asymmetrical at times. Paint them different colors.. I also think as long as they are balanced correctly the one or two plastic inserts wouldn't mess with wheel/tire balance enough to negatively effect the ride. All in all, I think it's an awesome idea.

Curious what that base 2WD truck weighs and if it's as freakin' slow as the loaded up one that was tested recently.

I know they aren't conventionally "beautiful" but I love the era of muscle cars.

At the rate we're going, I'm not going to get to do any skiing here on the east coast Careful what you say.. last year the north east got BLASTED! I'd like a little more snow than we got here in the STL area. While the rest of the US got hit hard at times we only really had 1 snow. and I didn't get to ski any of it because of my crazy travel schedule ...ouch...