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^ agreed. I feel like it is definitely the best bang for your dollar at $55,500. I said this over at MT too when I saw a similar thread.. "I'm now curious what a base model will look like. Usually smaller, uglier wheels and things of the like so as good as it looks all dressed up I'm curious what a lesser trimmed CT6 will look like."

I just can't get over the sound of that car. It's like sex in my ears..but without having sex in my ears.. that'd be f'd up. So it's like sex..but a car.. so it's like a car that I like a lot. What was that mph running a 12.4?

That's what I tried to talk my parents into on their 12 Fusion but my dad was too lazy to either trust I did the research or do his own research and just bought the OEM Michelins. Michelin makes good tires I just cannot justify the additional price over..EVERYTHING ELSE.

I'm in Pittsburgh PA, but I have a very steep driveway and every road home is uphill. I live at the top of a ridge that is the tallest spot for a few miles around me. We call it our snow bump. There is some strange climate pattern here where in our little part of town, we'll get snow when the surrounding area gets rain, or we get a bit more snow than everyone around us. It's really a very very minor change in altitude, but I've been laughed at by people at work when I say I have to shovel my drive yet they only got a dusting. This disparity is pretty frequent. Ahhh I think I knew that! Yeah it sounds like you definitely need something at least snow/winter oriented if you're going to encounter it that often. I know they don't make your size but those DWSs worked wonderfully on my C350 being RWD. I read probably a couple hundred different reviews before I bought a set because I knew I was going to need a superb all season tire. Are you in need for tires for this coming winter?

Drew, what part of the country are you in? Here in southern IL we don't get enough snow to need a winter tire but enough that I couldn't get by on a summer tire. So when I look for an all season the winter traction is a top priority because I still need it when it snows..but we don't get it often enough to require it. I actually REALLY want to drive a RWD car with snow tires in the snow to really grasp how awesome they are. I only hear amazing things about winter tires. But at the same time I'm glad we don't get enough snow because the cheapest snow tire for my Escape is like 250/tire.

Really? Weird. I see them a quarter tick below Michelin and side by side with Pirelli. They don't make anything cheap. To each their own. Plus, they're US owned, I believe. Well at least there is one plant in central IL.

Haha no worries, one and a quarter episodes. I could go for a handful of gin and tonics right about now..

Yeah that's what's on my Escape. No thanks. Not bad. But not worth the money either.

That's why I said it would still have to be a great all around tire to even consider. I agree that the tire itself needs to be very good THEN if this aero tech was added to it it would be a bonus. Plus, if this tech is as simply applied to a tire it can be added to the stickiest of tires and cheapest of junk tires for improvement across the board. Something like this(if it really does give a legitimate benefit) is amazing and can be used on everything to increase efficiency on every vehicle. Check the Continental PureContact. It's similar to that DWS but it is a LRR but it's made for a more common tire size. Or I should say a less sporty size. The DWS is more of a sporty tire as I don't think they have anything taller than a 55 aspect ratio.

My LRR Continental ProContacts(OEM) suck in the winter. I feel like I can't feel my front end grip or slide. I'm not sure if that's more tires or car though. Either way they still have an extremely low giving point in the snow. As for the rain..they aren't bad in any way. I've never hydroplanes. But they kindof give off a little numb feeling. Again, I'm not sure if that's the car or tires. Now I've had the Continental ExtremeContact DWS and absolutely loved them. They weren't a LRR but they were a great tire.

You mean season 1 or 2? Man, I binge watched those like a year ago. Awesome political drama. Great writing, acting. Can't wait for 3. Nope. Haha 1.25. My bus ride in the morning is about 40-45 minutes so I always get stuck in the middle of episodes. I used to hate it but I'm used to it now because I just binge watch it anyway so it's almost like one long-ass movie. That's how I watched Game of Thrones. I got to watch all 5 consecutive(not literally in one sitting or even a week but you know what I mean). I didn't have to wait a week per episode. Well, now I will though...Oh, season three is out now. I think I was told season 4 will be out in February.

DAAAAYYYYYUUUUMMMM SH** gettin' reeeaaal. Just joshin' around fellas.

Wing, you'll do yourself more good just not responding to him. It won't benefit you or anybody else responding to him.

You've driven the 2016 Camaro extensively then? Can you do a write up on it? I'm curious what parts you feel need more refining on a chassis derived from a Cadillac. *hands Wings a bottle of aleo vera* Here's some aleo for that BURN!!! (It helps heal burns, or skin damage in general - DOUBLE BURN FOR PRETENDING YOU DONT KNOW THE BENEFITS OF ALOE VERA ON THE SKIN!!!)

Close enough. If they didn't and the visibility was similar to the outgoing model(which it sounds like it is improved but still similar) I couldn't drive the car on a daily basis. When I sat in a 5th gen I had NO sense of where the front end was so parking would be hell at certain times.

Are their parking sensors on the front bumper?

Exactly, and would you pay a premium for them? Me? Depends what that premium is and if they are actually a good tire. I would have to imagine manufacturers would be lined up for these if they are any good. LRR plus whatever this tech is called.. CAFE is hanging over everybody's head.

Woot Woot!! Congrats again, brother!

I doubt it would be worth paying more for but people are willing to pay more for LRR tires now and that realistically you're only getting 1mpg better. But if it is a tire that will hold up for 80,000 miles it may be worth it. But 50,000? Doubt it. I agree that it is probably minimal at best but you have to start somewhere and plus, if you can gain..3%(random guess but that's just a tad under 1mpg highway for my car) for "free", car manufacturers will do it. Also, is this the kind of benefit that will increase as speed increased? So at 50mph maybe 3% but at 80mph 5%? Because that could be a selling point to travelers or anybody putting 25,000+miles on a car a year. At least then as their mpg decreases from all of the other factors at least one thing will help maintain it..a litle.. Every little bit counts in the long run.

Yokohama working on tires designed to move the air Tire design is typically focused on how the rubber interacts with the road, but what about the atmosphere? Yokohama has been developing a new concept tire that can improve both a car’s efficiency and handling by redirecting the air around it. The design involves small fin-like protuberances built into the outside of the tire near its shoulder, where the sidewall meets the tread. (Yokohama) Mounted at alternating angles, when they reach the top of the tire’s rotation they help to reduce aerodynamic drag, which improves high speed fuel economy and, potentially, the top speed of the vehicle. At the bottom, aerodynamic lift is reduced. That keeps the vehicle better planted to the road, a particularly important characteristic for high performance sports cars. The technology was made possible by recent advances in computational fluid dynamics. It builds on earlier research that found that radial fins positioned perpendicularly to the tread on the inside of the tire could also reduce the overall drag of a vehicle by changing the air pressure within the wheel wells. Production applications have not yet been announced, but the concept tires are being introduced at the 2015 Tokyo Motor Show. http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2015/10/26/yokohama-working-on-tires-designed-to-move-air/?intcmp=hpff That's pretty crazy what they're trying to do. It's nuts to even think how a tire can benefit you in VERY unconventional ways.

That's actually a very interesting story and it's really cool you got to see/sit in it before it was even shipped. I couldn't imagine preordering a car, especially something brand new(design). I guess I just don't make enough to even think about paying full msrp for anything nor do I keep cars long enough to buy brand new. More polished and nicer than what? A Boss 302? Yeah, but nowhere near as fun to drive. An outgoing SS? Better interior, but not as good of a ride or overall refinement, imo. New SS? You or nobody else can say yet since they haven't been compared, but I highly doubt it. Kind of off the topic but I saw yesterday that the first shipment of '16 Camaros was shipped yesterday. So you should see them shortly.

Just started watching House of Cards. 1.25 episodes in and I'm already hooked. Anybody else watching it?

Haha ..me either, brother.. Me either.

Well, your opinion in wrong. #Ford4Life I kid I kid

Do you have an order placed on this new Camaro..? You talk an awful lot about it..