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BIG MAC! I was comparing in-house BK burgers.. *facepalm* I'd still say the Impossible Whopper is all-around a healthier choice, even though it's 80 calories more. The cholesterol difference is what really stand out to me. https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/product/big-mac.html

Good information to know but this did take almost two years longer then the legacies that were struggling immediately once COVID hit. It sounds like a mess, to be honest. I'm glad I don't have to deal with any of that crap. For as good as it seems to be reviewed, there's certainly holes in the programming/software/hardware that NEED to be addressed. You say Tesla's stock is getting hammered but it's currently juuuust above where it was trading a year ago, so it's only getting hammered in the short term. Rivian on the other hand, has gotten smoked since its IPO. FYI, not an investor in either company but I'd like to get in on Rivian at some point. I believe they'll be around for the long haul. Not red meat vs red meat is worth the 90 calories, IMO. I looooove me some hamburgers and steaks but red meat is not very good for us. Also, after looking further into the burger situation, I'm not seeing a 540 calorie Whopper. https://company.bk.com/pdfs/nutrition.pdf

Oh yes, it certainly isn't "the way" to do it, otherwise all of these legacy automakers would have done it decades ago. I'm just saying that, I believe, it did help them through a massive supply chain issue that's still plaguing the automotive industry and it likely isn't easing up in the very near future.

Of course that's not all vehicle assembly but I would think it's a pretty big positive that they're producing a lot of their own part in-house instead of outsourcing them. I could very well be mistaken, but, I believe they didn't have the COVID hiccups near as bad as the rest of the industry because they were making most everything in-house.

They manufacture parts for their vehicles, along with parts for their solar lines.

Rivian only needs about 1,000,000 units/yr to catch up. I think their products are great and can do it. I just don't think this will be a very quick process.

You think in 19 years or less they will be producing more vehicles than Tesla? Tesla has almost 20 factories globally and all of them have to do with automotive production, someway or another. Rivian has stated a 2030 goal of 1,000,000 units/yr and that's about what Tesla did last year. If they don't fall on their face, like they already have, and get to that point with Tesla growing 0% in that time, then they can and will do it. I don't see 0% growth from Tesla, but I do see a much more minimized growth as the other OEMs ramp up EV production and new models.

I don't think "full production" can touch where Tesla is at right now. They're decades away from legitimately catching Tesla. I hope Rivian the best and I really like what they've made thus far but, they're a loooong ways away from Tesla's production.

Funny you left Mercedes out as they were down 20.5% in Q1. I can't imagine it'll be a whole lot better in Q2.

Right now they are bringing the fight. The other OEMs haven't caught and beaten but they are bringing it right now with everything that's rolling out this year and within the next five years. It seems like every OEM has at least one EV rolling out this year (or last year) with a handful more on the way.

What kind of fuel economy do you get in that thing? I thought you didn't drive a whole lot? Maybe I'm mixing you and @Robert Hallup here.

The keypad thing is such an underrated feature! I don't quite use it as often as it sounds like you do, but it's certainly come in handy MANY times. I don't know why other companies haven't been doing this. I think I read a Ford review a couple years ago that touched on it and they mentioned, "why don't other companies have this?" and I believe they looked into it and it isn't like Ford has a patent on it or anything. When I was younger my grandma had a Toyota car (probably a Camry) and it had a keypad on the side. I thought that was sooo cool! It was in the 90's and definitely before ford was doing it, I believe. Yep. I thought it was a nice touch on the whole market and what's coming out and what isn't. *cough* Tesla *cough*. I found it a little ironic that we were talking about that and then MT had the new article on what we were recently talking about.

Speaking of the Hummer EV. The one that sold in my town has been back at the dealership 5-6 times already. My wife cuts a few of the salesmen/sales manager's hairs so they complain about it to her - LOL. They apparently don't have specialists to work on electric vehicles (yet?) and it just keeps having issues. I've asked my wife if they said what the issues were and she didn't know. I was really curious about that, what's actually causing the owner the headache. I'm curious about this as well as everything is starting to age and I haven't heard anything about new models or major refreshes yet. The Cybertruck is already two years behind schedule and who knows if it'll make it out by 2024 at this point.

The frunk isn't a huge deal to most enthusiasts (I think) because we also tend to lean to more sporty vehicles where we're used to smaller storage capacities. Most enthusiasts don't tend to get lame vehicles like what I have, or just massive SUVs like David as. We grew up with something sporty at some point and anything larger than that "has plenty of space" in the back. Just my thoughts on it... Personally, I value a frunk because I actually think I would use it more than the hatch space on regular day to day things. But, again, it wouldn't be a deal breaker. If I thought two vehicles were completely equal on every other aspect but one had a frunk and one didn't, I'd definitely get the one with a frunk. Buuuuut, that's unrealistic and will never happen because there's too many variables to say two vehicles would actually be equal everywhere else. Also Happy Canada Day! EXACTLY like Apple. I also believe their simplicity and ease of use on all of their systems/apps is exactly like Apple as well and that's a great thing for them. I've 100% heard Tesla referred to as the Apple of the automotive world and it's not necessarily a bad thing. They're just going to lose market share as all of these other OEMs come to market with new products. Apple is different in that aspect. A good little read about Tesla's future market share as well as Ford, GM, etc. https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-general-motors-ford-shares-analysis-car-wars/

I just saw some first gen CLS in there as well. Actually, quite a bit from the rear 3/4 view.

I've really enjoyed most new Kias and Hyundais the past few years but this looks pretty awful to me. Maybe it will grow on me though, like the current gen Silverado has.

Exactly, I'm 5'8" and I don't hit my head in my MKC, Focus, C350, or my Mustangs, because I'm not a wild fckn animal getting in and out of vehicles.

Which is weird because you JUST claimed the Caddy will have more room based on paper numbers, yet dismiss the Tesla paper numbers, or anybody else's.

You did notice the differences in headroom between the X and Lyriq, right? One has much more leg room but the other had much more head room. 3+ inches more headroom in front and 3+ inches more headroom in back, per your pictures. The 3rd row seat in the Model X is a joke and it certainly feels like they did it just to say they could.

You literally just said you cannot take paper numbers because you've sat in things that aren't as roomy as the numbers would suggest. But the Lyriq is an anomaly?

4.1 VS 4.8 cubic feet. How can you say this?

Then you'll likely be calling the Lyriq a failure as well then. No chance it will be significantly larger than a Model X. I mean, not everybody has Tesla money so there's that as well. The MachE isn't exactly the model example of dollars per space either. It's just a missed opportunity and looks lazy, IMO.

As noted by @oldshurst442, 6.5 cubic feet isn't small by any means. A Malibu has 15.7 cubic feet, for reference.

And I feel like all of those companies are missing out on a good opportunity. Nothing significantly different than this.

Tesla and Ford have very usable front trunks and even Audi's 2+ cubic feet is very useful. Tesla and Ford's are even on much smaller vehicles.