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Good information to know as when I was looking I compared it to the Silverado and not the Avalanche. Thanks ya!

Personally, I think the number of 50k+ vehicles is llike 60%. They only REALLY have 4 vehicles with average transaction prices under 50k, GLA, GLB, and CLA. Yes, the C Class and GLC start under 50k but you and I both know options inflate these vehicles extremely quick and starting at 42 and 43k, respectively, has them actually selling at 50k and above. Well, before I even hit "Submit Reply", I had to look up the numbers and according to the below link, here is the information I found. https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20210108005349/en/Mercedes-Benz-Reports-2020-Sales-of-325915-Vehicles A Class 15,332 CLA 10,997 GLA 25,348 GLB 23,183 Total 74,860 Using their grand total of 325,915 total vehicle sales, that's 22.96% of vehicles. That ALSO assumes that ZERO of those GLAs and CLAs were AMGs that are certainly over 50k. My opinion, with the facts provided, is the total sales from Mercedes that are under $50,000 is around 20%.

Ahhhhh I also just noticed my selection was 2WD. I bet that's the difference as your is 4WD. Thank you! I knew it had to be there or it was a 2021 change(which wouldn't make sense to me).

That's exactly what I thought, but it isn't on the build for a crew cab, short bed option list.

Denali 1500 starts at 56k. A Cadillac version does not need to start at 80k. There can very easily be overlap in the 'every single option' Denali and the starter Cadillac. The Caddy could easily start at 65k and that's enough of a price gap to distinguish itself with only a little overlap from a completely loaded Danali. Also, according to their website, you can't get the 6.2 in the Denali, it's ONLY available in the AT4. A 1500 Denali with the optional 3.0 diesel and every option/package box checked, it totals to 68,825 before destination. A 65k starting price for a Cadillac with the 6.2 wouldn't be a tough string to pull. THIS is why I said your numbers are completely random, because they are.

These are completely random numbers.

GM and Ford NEED to figure out an alternate way to produce these semiconductors because this is killing their sales.

100% agree. I swear it is a daily occurrence where I see a Charger or Challenger doing something stupid.

They already have a Model Y, smaller 2-row CUV. It's been out for a couple years.

If there's a 10-20% take rate on luxury trimmed trucks selling for 60-80k, there is certainly room for more. You realize what 10-20% of sales in this segment means, right? 2020 Sales 10% 20% Silverado 593,057 59,306 118,611 Sierra 253,014 25,301 50,603 F150 787,372 78,737 157,474 Ram 563,676 56,368 112,735 Total 2,197,119 219,712 439,424 Between 220,000 and 440,000 vehicles per year are luxury trimmed trucks, based on your 10-20%. Last year Mercedes sold a total of 324,708 vehicles in the US.

I was being sarcastic but they did both get the 6.2 but the EXT got 8 more horses and the same torques, from what I read.

That was the low times for Cadillac. It probably only cost them $38 to swap badges for the Cadillac Avalanche. but they charged $10,000 more for it!

Poor execution. Ford, GM, and Ram sell plenty of their 60-80 half ton trucks in Platinum, High Country, Denali, and Limited trims.

Because of their technology. ORIGINALLY, Rivian was supposed to underpin a Lincoln SUV but that fell through earlier this year. "It is a strategic, long-term partnership, Ford CEO Jim Farley says. Ford will look for forms of co-development or sharing of technology or platforms in the future. "But we're not just running over to Plymouth [the Michigan town, where Rivian Engineering and Design Center is located] and giving them assignments." RJ Scaringe, CEO of Rivian, is equally bullish. "We have a very good relationship with Ford," he tells MotorTrend. "We haven't announced anything with Ford in terms of what we might do together," he says. "We're just being very thoughtful of the discussions that are going on." When there is something to announce, "we would announce together." "

Completely agree. But I do understand why Tesla started where they did. They didn't have the resources Rivian currently does. As of now, I'm hoping Rivian really takes off and makes a decent portfolio with their resources and the CEO seems like an all around good guy so I'm(obviously) rooting for them. They have their IPO coming soon, too, so they'll be going public. I'd like to be able to get in on them early, if possible. That's a shame because pickup buyers definitely buying luxury trucks. I think they could have success if they really made an effort for a full size truck. I don't think nor expect it would outsell any current truck on the market because I'd assume it would be a 60-120k truck but I think it would, at the very least, pay for itself.

If Rivian didn't have partnerships with Amazon and Ford, I would have a much greater doubt in them. But, they do so I am quite confident they will make it. I'm not sure about the others though.

Is that what has happened to Tesla thus far?

Tesla has a hill to climb in the truck market already. https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2022-rivian-r1t-electric-pickup-truck-first-drive-review/ "The 2022 Rivian R1T Is the Most Remarkable Pickup We’ve Ever Driven Yep, we drove it. Are you ready for the electric truck revolution? The 2022 Rivian R1T is the first mass-produced electric truck to hit the U.S. market, but that's hardly the most interesting thing about it. Its electric powertrain notwithstanding, the R1T is unlike any pickup we've ever driven—part truck, part sport sedan, and 100 percent amazing. It's been speculated that pickup buyers are too conservative to embrace electrification, but after our first drive in a pre-production Rivian R1T, both on-road and off-, we think this is the electric truck that will turn them into believers. There's so much we want to tell you about the Rivian R1T that it's difficult to pick a place to start, so let's begin with the basic layout. Sizewise, the R1T is a tweener, slotting somewhere between a midsize pickup like the Chevy Colorado and a traditional half-tonner like the Ford F-150. The Rivian R1T's shape and compact bed mimic those of "lifestyle" trucks like the Honda Ridgeline and Hyundai Santa Cruz, but it'll tow 11,000 pounds according to Rivian and rock crawl like a Jeep Gladiator according to us. And it jets around corners like no pickup truck ever has. ..."

Heck, BMW doesn't even have ONE all-electric truck or SUV to compete with Rivian.

They're new. They can't initially drop a 6 vehicle lineup. The point was just that they offer two vehicles out of the gate, both of which are HUGE selling body styles here in the US, NOT a sedan. I guess, technically they have a work van as well.

This is news to me, as well. I thought they started at like 100k (not the 150 smk was claiming).

They immediately have a truck and SUV.

I thought there have been... But this is a modern Alfa so I wouldn't think so. Good point there.

Also, what's going on with the rotor and two calipers, on what looks like the front? I assumed that was the parking brake but isn't that always on the rear? I guess with the damage it could still be the rear.

Corvette. SUV.